The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season

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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#101 » by Drakeem » Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:37 pm

Roger Murdock wrote:I get the love for Marcus Smart. I do. He's tough as nails, he's a culture builder, nobody plays harder, he's a leader.

But ultimately Marcus Smart was the point guard for a team that always loses in the playoffs due to poor passing, ballhandling, decision making, and shot selection. Basically the point guard responsibilities are what's let the Celtics down time and again. While the Celtics might lose some grit and tenacity, what they actually need as a team is control and intelligence which Smart always lacked.

If the Celtics needed Marcus Smarts locker room leadership, and guys like Brown and Tatum and White can't pick that part up, then they were always screwed anyway.

I understood the trade overall even though I didn't like it that much. I thought Tyus made a ton of sense for them and wish they got him 1:1 for Smart and addressed big man depth elsewhere.
Agreed. Year in and year out the Celtics publicly backed Smart and called him part of the core. They gave him the freedom to manage the responsibility and each year he'd show you just enough flashes of a consistent, smart passing, elite 3rd option, and then he'd go ahead and straight up tank a few games for you where now everything is out of sync.

They gave him a fair shot, just like Raptors with DeRozan. Sometimes you can't just keep asking for another shot to be what's needed.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#102 » by OrangeBlueSkies » Mon Nov 6, 2023 5:17 pm

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:Consistency, continuity, and that one-of-a-kind grit, combined with two young stars, these Celtics looked like they were destined for a title in Bean Town. They could taste it when they got to the Finals. However, with that all being said, can we take a consensus of what the brain trust here at REALGM is thinking?

In my opinion, trading Smart for Porzingis was a fatal mistake by the Celtics. They already have a 7 footer who cannot stay healthy. Now, they add Porzingis' health concerns to that... I love D. White.. Guys, I really really love this mans game. But is he the starting point guard on a championship team? Is Brogdon?


yes, the Celtics still look deep and formidable. But I think they are about to have a struggle of a season.


This didn’t age well. Yet, here I am , calling myself out.

To my benefit, this was prior to the Holiday acquisition . Let’s discuss the Celtics 5-0 start?
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#103 » by Slax » Mon Nov 6, 2023 5:51 pm

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:Consistency, continuity, and that one-of-a-kind grit, combined with two young stars, these Celtics looked like they were destined for a title in Bean Town. They could taste it when they got to the Finals. However, with that all being said, can we take a consensus of what the brain trust here at REALGM is thinking?

In my opinion, trading Smart for Porzingis was a fatal mistake by the Celtics. They already have a 7 footer who cannot stay healthy. Now, they add Porzingis' health concerns to that... I love D. White.. Guys, I really really love this mans game. But is he the starting point guard on a championship team? Is Brogdon?


yes, the Celtics still look deep and formidable. But I think they are about to have a struggle of a season.


This didn’t age well. Yet, here I am , calling myself out.

To my benefit, this was prior to the Holiday acquisition . Let’s discuss the Celtics 5-0 start?

Huh kudos to you for a self-callout. In your defense, this is a very different team from the one you criticized. The two things you emphasized were that the Celtics lacked a championship level starting point guard, and Porzingis and Rob Williams weren't likely to both stay healthy for a full season. The Jrue trade directly went to the heart of both of those issues.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#104 » by OrangeBlueSkies » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:14 am

Slax wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:Consistency, continuity, and that one-of-a-kind grit, combined with two young stars, these Celtics looked like they were destined for a title in Bean Town. They could taste it when they got to the Finals. However, with that all being said, can we take a consensus of what the brain trust here at REALGM is thinking?

In my opinion, trading Smart for Porzingis was a fatal mistake by the Celtics. They already have a 7 footer who cannot stay healthy. Now, they add Porzingis' health concerns to that... I love D. White.. Guys, I really really love this mans game. But is he the starting point guard on a championship team? Is Brogdon?


yes, the Celtics still look deep and formidable. But I think they are about to have a struggle of a season.


This didn’t age well. Yet, here I am , calling myself out.

To my benefit, this was prior to the Holiday acquisition . Let’s discuss the Celtics 5-0 start?

Huh kudos to you for a self-callout. In your defense, this is a very different team from the one you criticized. The two things you emphasized were that the Celtics lacked a championship level starting point guard, and Porzingis and Rob Williams weren't likely to both stay healthy for a full season. The Jrue trade directly went to the heart of both of those issues.


Thanks for recognizing that.

That being said, are the Celtics the clear favorites to win the East? As of this moment, I’d say it is theirs to lose
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#105 » by robbie84 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:23 am

Have any of OP's dreams come true yet?
One day Marcus Smart will be defensive player of the year, mark my words.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#106 » by Lalouie » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:31 am

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:Consistency, continuity, and that one-of-a-kind grit, combined with two young stars, these Celtics looked like they were destined for a title in Bean Town. They could taste it when they got to the Finals. However, with that all being said, can we take a consensus of what the brain trust here at REALGM is thinking?

In my opinion, trading Smart for Porzingis was a fatal mistake by the Celtics. They already have a 7 footer who cannot stay healthy. Now, they add Porzingis' health concerns to that... I love D. White.. Guys, I really really love this mans game. But is he the starting point guard on a championship team? Is Brogdon?


yes, the Celtics still look deep and formidable. But I think they are about to have a struggle of a season.


a lot of teams will be taking a step back and the celts just lost williams, so there's that
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#107 » by robbie84 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:44 am

OrangeBlueSkies wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:Consistency, continuity, and that one-of-a-kind grit, combined with two young stars, these Celtics looked like they were destined for a title in Bean Town. They could taste it when they got to the Finals. However, with that all being said, can we take a consensus of what the brain trust here at REALGM is thinking?

In my opinion, trading Smart for Porzingis was a fatal mistake by the Celtics. They already have a 7 footer who cannot stay healthy. Now, they add Porzingis' health concerns to that... I love D. White.. Guys, I really really love this mans game. But is he the starting point guard on a championship team? Is Brogdon?


yes, the Celtics still look deep and formidable. But I think they are about to have a struggle of a season.


This didn’t age well. Yet, here I am , calling myself out.

To my benefit, this was prior to the Holiday acquisition . Let’s discuss the Celtics 5-0 start?


At least you were open to changing your mind. That's intelligence. Biggest surprise to me is Porzingis. Dude's been simply incredible on both ends.
If he stays healthy, I really like us against anyone. Although I'd certainly want home court advantage if we made it to the finals vs the Nuggets. Jokic+Murray+ altitude= a very, very hard team to beat.
And you were right about Smart. Leader in the locker room, but passing and floor leadership needed someone like Jrue.
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Re: The Celtics Will Be Taking A Step Back This Upcoming Season 

Post#108 » by itrsteve » Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:13 pm

Lalouie wrote:
OrangeBlueSkies wrote:Consistency, continuity, and that one-of-a-kind grit, combined with two young stars, these Celtics looked like they were destined for a title in Bean Town. They could taste it when they got to the Finals. However, with that all being said, can we take a consensus of what the brain trust here at REALGM is thinking?

In my opinion, trading Smart for Porzingis was a fatal mistake by the Celtics. They already have a 7 footer who cannot stay healthy. Now, they add Porzingis' health concerns to that... I love D. White.. Guys, I really really love this mans game. But is he the starting point guard on a championship team? Is Brogdon?


yes, the Celtics still look deep and formidable. But I think they are about to have a struggle of a season.


a lot of teams will be taking a step back and the celts just lost williams, so there's that


Looks like they would have lost him anyway then it would have been “they could have had Jrue what a bunch of morons!”
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