Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun?

[K_chile22]

His defense has also been totally fine this year to good at times with a coach that doesn't put him in his worst PnR defense and surround him with total non defenders at guard. Section of rockets Twitter hates him for the silly archetype reasons (instead of actually caring about if a player is good at basketball) and even they've shifted from "he can't defend" to "if he was better at defending he could make up for Jalen and Jabari playing bad defense", which is just an even sillier argument

[SeattleJazzFan]

His defense has also been totally fine this year to good at times with a coach that doesn't put him in his worst PnR defense and surround him with total non defenders at guard. Section of rockets Twitter hates him for the silly archetype reasons (instead of actually caring about if a player is good at basketball) and even they've shifted from "he can't defend" to "if he was better at defending he could make up for Jalen and Jabari playing bad defense", which is just an even sillier argument

lol. that is amazing. every rocket fan should love sengun. i'd kill to have him on my team.

[K_chile22]

His defense has also been totally fine this year to good at times with a coach that doesn't put him in his worst PnR defense and surround him with total non defenders at guard. Section of rockets Twitter hates him for the silly archetype reasons (instead of actually caring about if a player is good at basketball) and even they've shifted from "he can't defend" to "if he was better at defending he could make up for Jalen and Jabari playing bad defense", which is just an even sillier argument

lol. that is amazing. every rocket fan should love sengun. i'd kill to have him on my team.

There are some good ones but the majority of rockets Twitter is a nightmare in more ways than one lol

[nate33]

But isn't this like Dwight Howard lite vs Nikola Jokic lite argument?

Both have similar skillsets.

Sengun doesn't belong in the same sentence as Jokic. He can make some nice passes and is a C, that's about where the comparison ends. He's like a disabled homeless man's version of Jokic (no offense to the disabled or homeless)

You're kidding right?

Huge disagree because if we're taking the small 3 game sample size into account Alperen is averaging 6.7 asts! In his 3rd yr playing with quite a few gunners on the team.

And he has 3pt range on top of some handles and skills in the post.

If that's the case Duren shouldn't be put in the same sentence as Dwight Howard.

Jokic could very well be the greatest offensive player of all time. He pretty much guarantees that his team will have a good shot attempt on every single half court possession. Let's not compare Sengun to him just yet. A more appropriate comparison would be a guy like Sabonis or Divac.

[gmoney411]

Duren is doing this at 19, too hard to pass up that potential sorry.

He is but Sengun is only 16 months older than him.

[City of Trees]

I'll take Duren all day

[Shock Defeat]

Sengun doesn't belong in the same sentence as Jokic. He can make some nice passes and is a C, that's about where the comparison ends. He's like a disabled homeless man's version of Jokic (no offense to the disabled or homeless)

You're kidding right?

Huge disagree because if we're taking the small 3 game sample size into account Alperen is averaging 6.7 asts! In his 3rd yr playing with quite a few gunners on the team.

And he has 3pt range on top of some handles and skills in the post.

If that's the case Duren shouldn't be put in the same sentence as Dwight Howard.

Jokic could very well be the greatest offensive player of all time. He pretty much guarantees that his team will have a good shot attempt on every single half court possession. Let's not compare Sengun to him just yet. A more appropriate comparison would be a guy like Sabonis or Divac.

Jokic in his age 21 season - 17, 10, and 5
Sengun in his age 21 season - 19, 9, and 6 albeit just 4 games

Let's not act like they are drastically different to start their careers. Udoka is finally making him the hub of the Houston offense because he trusts Senguns decision making. That's pretty big confidence in a 21 year old kid.

[Bornstellar]

You're kidding right?

Huge disagree because if we're taking the small 3 game sample size into account Alperen is averaging 6.7 asts! In his 3rd yr playing with quite a few gunners on the team.

And he has 3pt range on top of some handles and skills in the post.

If that's the case Duren shouldn't be put in the same sentence as Dwight Howard.

Jokic could very well be the greatest offensive player of all time. He pretty much guarantees that his team will have a good shot attempt on every single half court possession. Let's not compare Sengun to him just yet. A more appropriate comparison would be a guy like Sabonis or Divac.

Jokic in his age 21 season - 17, 10, and 5
Sengun in his age 21 season - 19, 9, and 6 albeit just 4 games

Let's not act like they are drastically different to start their careers. Udoka is finally making him the hub of the Houston offense because he trusts Senguns decision making. That's pretty big confidence in a 21 year old kid.

Comparing their raw numbers without context is silly. Pace/scoring has increased quite a bit since Jokic's 21 year old (sophomore) season. He also only played 27mpg and was coming off the bench to begin the year. Meanwhile Sengun has started basically all of last season and is in his third year. Not to mention you're comparing a 73 game sample size to...4 games @ 32mpg. Just a very misleading comparison at this point

[nate33]

You're kidding right?

Huge disagree because if we're taking the small 3 game sample size into account Alperen is averaging 6.7 asts! In his 3rd yr playing with quite a few gunners on the team.

And he has 3pt range on top of some handles and skills in the post.

If that's the case Duren shouldn't be put in the same sentence as Dwight Howard.

Jokic could very well be the greatest offensive player of all time. He pretty much guarantees that his team will have a good shot attempt on every single half court possession. Let's not compare Sengun to him just yet. A more appropriate comparison would be a guy like Sabonis or Divac.

Jokic in his age 21 season - 17, 10, and 5
Sengun in his age 21 season - 19, 9, and 6 albeit just 4 games

Let's not act like they are drastically different to start their careers. Udoka is finally making him the hub of the Houston offense because he trusts Senguns decision making. That's pretty big confidence in a 21 year old kid.

Jokic is legitimately on his way to being a top 10 all time player. Do you realize how rare that is?

Do you honestly think Sengun is the next Jokic? Are you seriously predicting he will be better than All-Time Greats like Garnett, Nowitzki, Malone, Robinson and Moses?

[Shock Defeat]

Jokic could very well be the greatest offensive player of all time. He pretty much guarantees that his team will have a good shot attempt on every single half court possession. Let's not compare Sengun to him just yet. A more appropriate comparison would be a guy like Sabonis or Divac.

Jokic in his age 21 season - 17, 10, and 5
Sengun in his age 21 season - 19, 9, and 6 albeit just 4 games

Let's not act like they are drastically different to start their careers. Udoka is finally making him the hub of the Houston offense because he trusts Senguns decision making. That's pretty big confidence in a 21 year old kid.

Jokic is legitimately on his way to being a top 10 all time player. Do you realize how rare that is?

Do you honestly think Sengun is the next Jokic? Are you seriously predicting he will be better than All-Time Greats like Garnett, Nowitzki, Malone, Robinson and Moses?

Read my statement again. I said they are not different to start their careers

[Catchall]

Duren has the skillset I'm looking for in a 5.

[WillyJakkz]

Jokic could very well be the greatest offensive player of all time. He pretty much guarantees that his team will have a good shot attempt on every single half court possession. Let's not compare Sengun to him just yet. A more appropriate comparison would be a guy like Sabonis or Divac.

Jokic in his age 21 season - 17, 10, and 5
Sengun in his age 21 season - 19, 9, and 6 albeit just 4 games

Let's not act like they are drastically different to start their careers. Udoka is finally making him the hub of the Houston offense because he trusts Senguns decision making. That's pretty big confidence in a 21 year old kid.

Comparing their raw numbers without context is silly. Pace/scoring has increased quite a bit since Jokic's 21 year old (sophomore) season. He also only played 27mpg and was coming off the bench to begin the year. Meanwhile Sengun has started basically all of last season and is in his third year. Not to mention you're comparing a 73 game sample size to...4 games @ 32mpg. Just a very misleading comparison at this point

So what you're unknowingly saying is Jokic faced worse competition going up against reserves since Jokic came off the bench and put up those numbers while Alperen is going against starters.

[WillyJakkz]

Jokic could very well be the greatest offensive player of all time. He pretty much guarantees that his team will have a good shot attempt on every single half court possession. Let's not compare Sengun to him just yet. A more appropriate comparison would be a guy like Sabonis or Divac.

Jokic in his age 21 season - 17, 10, and 5
Sengun in his age 21 season - 19, 9, and 6 albeit just 4 games

Let's not act like they are drastically different to start their careers. Udoka is finally making him the hub of the Houston offense because he trusts Senguns decision making. That's pretty big confidence in a 21 year old kid.

Jokic is legitimately on his way to being a top 10 all time player. Do you realize how rare that is?

Do you honestly think Sengun is the next Jokic? Are you seriously predicting he will be better than All-Time Greats like Garnett, Nowitzki, Malone, Robinson and Moses?

You're talking like you knew and predicted Joker was going to be who he now is.

Funny because as little as 2-3yrs ago he was being ridiculed by several posters about how he wasn't great because his defense was so horrible yet he we are now some proclaiming him Top 10 All Time now lol

[SeattleJazzFan]

good grief, nobody is saying sengun will be as good as jokic at their respective peaks. nobody is saying sengun is jokic or even close to as good. they are similar type players and sengun is damn good. both things can be true at the same time. he can be really good, even a future all star, have similar strengths and weaknesses as jokic and still not be on that level.

sheesh.

[Bornstellar]

Jokic in his age 21 season - 17, 10, and 5
Sengun in his age 21 season - 19, 9, and 6 albeit just 4 games

Let's not act like they are drastically different to start their careers. Udoka is finally making him the hub of the Houston offense because he trusts Senguns decision making. That's pretty big confidence in a 21 year old kid.

Comparing their raw numbers without context is silly. Pace/scoring has increased quite a bit since Jokic's 21 year old (sophomore) season. He also only played 27mpg and was coming off the bench to begin the year. Meanwhile Sengun has started basically all of last season and is in his third year. Not to mention you're comparing a 73 game sample size to...4 games @ 32mpg. Just a very misleading comparison at this point

So what you're unknowingly saying is Jokic faced worse competition going up against reserves since Jokic came off the bench and put up those numbers while Alperen is going against starters.

Not even remotely close to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is Sengun has played 4 games so comparing his stats to a full season of Jokic makes zero sense at this point.

I get you like Sengun, and that's fine. But it's just asinine trying to put him in the conversation with Jokic right now. Would be like someone saying Al Jefferson was on a Tim Duncan trajectory because they both averaged ~21/11 in their fourth seasons. A comparison based solely on raw stats, especially now, fails the mark

[Bornstellar]

Jokic in his age 21 season - 17, 10, and 5
Sengun in his age 21 season - 19, 9, and 6 albeit just 4 games

Let's not act like they are drastically different to start their careers. Udoka is finally making him the hub of the Houston offense because he trusts Senguns decision making. That's pretty big confidence in a 21 year old kid.

Jokic is legitimately on his way to being a top 10 all time player. Do you realize how rare that is?

Do you honestly think Sengun is the next Jokic? Are you seriously predicting he will be better than All-Time Greats like Garnett, Nowitzki, Malone, Robinson and Moses?

You're talking like you knew and predicted Joker was going to be who he now is.

Funny because as little as 2-3yrs ago he was being ridiculed by several posters about how he wasn't great because his defense was so horrible yet he we are now some proclaiming him Top 10 All Time now lol

Dont mistake fringe opinions from a couple people as the general consensus. People do that way too often on here

[WillyJakkz]

Comparing their raw numbers without context is silly. Pace/scoring has increased quite a bit since Jokic's 21 year old (sophomore) season. He also only played 27mpg and was coming off the bench to begin the year. Meanwhile Sengun has started basically all of last season and is in his third year. Not to mention you're comparing a 73 game sample size to...4 games @ 32mpg. Just a very misleading comparison at this point

So what you're unknowingly saying is Jokic faced worse competition going up against reserves since Jokic came off the bench and put up those numbers while Alperen is going against starters.

Not even remotely close to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is Sengun has played 4 games so comparing his stats to a full season of Jokic makes zero sense at this point.

I get you like Sengun, and that's fine. But it's just asinine trying to put him in the conversation with Jokic right now. Would be like someone saying Al Jefferson was on a Tim Duncan trajectory because they both averaged ~21/11 in their fourth seasons. A comparison based solely on raw stats, especially now, fails the mark

I'm strictly (as I'm thinking) most are observing by saying Sengun is a big who can dribble, score, throw nifty passes, and actually has the offense going thru him at alot of pts in the game even w/ a vet PG like FVV there when comparing to Jokic.

It's his style and then you see the numbers along w/ his play style and it is strangely similar. And he's only 21.

At no point did Al Jeff resemble Tim Duncan in any of those aspects, maybe Kevin McHale but not Timmy.

[Bornstellar]

So what you're unknowingly saying is Jokic faced worse competition going up against reserves since Jokic came off the bench and put up those numbers while Alperen is going against starters.

Not even remotely close to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is Sengun has played 4 games so comparing his stats to a full season of Jokic makes zero sense at this point.

I get you like Sengun, and that's fine. But it's just asinine trying to put him in the conversation with Jokic right now. Would be like someone saying Al Jefferson was on a Tim Duncan trajectory because they both averaged ~21/11 in their fourth seasons. A comparison based solely on raw stats, especially now, fails the mark

I'm strictly (as I'm thinking) most are observing by saying Sengun is a big who can dribble, score, throw nifty passes, and actually has the offense going thru him at alot of pts in the game even w/ a vet PG like FVV there when comparing to Jokic.

It's his style and then you see the numbers along w/ his play style and it is strangely similar. And he's only 21.

At no point did Al Jeff resemble Tim Duncan in any of those aspects, maybe Kevin McHale but not Timmy.

I was responding to the poster that I initially quoted who was using averages to represent their point, hence my reply, and then you chimed in. Again, I'm not disputing the aesthetic similarities in their games, but this goes back to our initial discussion when I said a no-defense C whose game is predicated on post play is a dinosaur in today's NBA to which you responded with the comparison to Jokic. My point there was Jokic is an elite level player with all-time level vision/passing and his offensive game is not predicated on post play like Sengun's is (Sengun is a career 28% shooter from distance, btw. He's shooting above 40% this season...in 4 games on 1.8 attempts per game). Then another poster responded to someone else pointing out their raw stats to which I pointed out that a 4 game sample size versus Jokic's 2017 season was silly.

Like I said, I get you like Sengun, he's a fine player, but why make this thread and ask who we'd prefer if you weren't going to accept Duren as an answer? Clearly the majority appears to agree with me. Any comparisons to Jokic at this point are premature. That's all I'm saying

[gmoney411]

Comparing their raw numbers without context is silly. Pace/scoring has increased quite a bit since Jokic's 21 year old (sophomore) season. He also only played 27mpg and was coming off the bench to begin the year. Meanwhile Sengun has started basically all of last season and is in his third year. Not to mention you're comparing a 73 game sample size to...4 games @ 32mpg. Just a very misleading comparison at this point

So what you're unknowingly saying is Jokic faced worse competition going up against reserves since Jokic came off the bench and put up those numbers while Alperen is going against starters.

Not even remotely close to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is Sengun has played 4 games so comparing his stats to a full season of Jokic makes zero sense at this point.

I get you like Sengun, and that's fine. But it's just asinine trying to put him in the conversation with Jokic right now. Would be like someone saying Al Jefferson was on a Tim Duncan trajectory because they both averaged ~21/11 in their fourth seasons. A comparison based solely on raw stats, especially now, fails the mark

What should be compared if we are taking about what we've seen from Sengun this year?

It's only asinine if you don't factor in the given caveats. NBA players past and present are making the same comparison.

[CptCrunch]

good grief, nobody is saying sengun will be as good as jokic at their respective peaks. nobody is saying sengun is jokic or even close to as good. they are similar type players and sengun is damn good. both things can be true at the same time. he can be really good, even a future all star, have similar strengths and weaknesses as jokic and still not be on that level.

sheesh.

This, Sengun has a good path to a best player on a team, top 15-20 player type role in the NBA. A budget Jokic playing at all-star level, not MVP.

It's very hard for me to see Duren becoming more than a third option.