Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jaime Jaquez Jr

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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jamie Jaquez Jr 

Post#101 » by DBurks2818 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:46 pm

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DBurks2818 wrote:Man, 3J would be getting so much press had the Lakers drafted him. It would be unreal how loved he would be in LA.


I mean... So would Sharpe


Yes, but Sharpe wasn't a local guy (Jaime played around the corner from the Lakers, at UCLA) and also wasn't available one pick before he was taken in this year's draft.
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Post#102 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:58 pm

In fairness to Portland fans, I do think there’s a small amount of overrating of Jaime (mostly his potential upside, I don’t see superstar), but I think part of it is how impressive what he’s doing is.

I don’t mean contributing as a rookie, that happens plenty in the NBA. I mean coming in and not only accepting, but embracing and excelling at the garbage man role. There was a game recently where Spo acknowledged he never even called a play for Jaime.

We get those super role players in the NBA, but they aren’t nearly as common as they should be, and they are incredible for team ball. And usually even the super role players start out thinking they’re the man, and gradually shift to the role slot to stick around in the league.

Jaime is getting it from day one, and it’s a joy to watch. And while Spo and the Heat deserve some credit, the Heat have had plenty of more talented draft picks that didn’t pan out, so I just have to marvel at this kids ability to get it. He just always makes the right play.
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Post#103 » by Roy The Natural » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:47 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:In fairness to Portland fans, I do think there’s a small amount of overrating of Jaime (mostly his potential upside, I don’t see superstar), but I think part of it is how impressive what he’s doing is.

I don’t mean contributing as a rookie, that happens plenty in the NBA. I mean coming in and not only accepting, but embracing and excelling at the garbage man role. There was a game recently where Spo acknowledged he never even called a play for Jaime.

We get those super role players in the NBA, but they aren’t nearly as common as they should be, and they are incredible for team ball. And usually even the super role players start out thinking they’re the man, and gradually shift to the role slot to stick around in the league.

Jaime is getting it from day one, and it’s a joy to watch. And while Spo and the Heat deserve some credit, the Heat have had plenty of more talented draft picks that didn’t pan out, so I just have to marvel at this kids ability to get it. He just always makes the right play.


I don't watch enough JJJ to be dead certain on any of the comparison, what I do know is that Shaedon Sharpe has nearly all the tools to be a top 8-10 player in the league. The only thing really holding him back is experience and ball-handling. And his ball-handling took a MASSIVE leap from last year to this year. If he takes another leap there, he's probably on the short track to super stardom (injuries withstanding).

Even without becoming a lead guard, he's absolutely devastating off the ball, and at times looks like Gerald Wallace with a silky jumper. If he irons out the experience/consistency part he plays a lot like Kawhi (offensively) at his peak with more athleticism and less skill in the post.

IDK where either of these guys will end up, all I know, is that there's a real possibility that Shaedon Sharpe is a superstar in the making.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jamie Jaquez Jr 

Post#104 » by DiegoChara » Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:55 pm

Rendei wrote:Give me Jaquez all day. I don't care what your "needs" are. Potential is overrated. That's why dudes like Mitchell and Brunson went overlooked, because they were "old." Production is king. Jaquez is a winning player now, as a rookie. He's an older rookie, but he's still young. He's going to get better. I don't buy into the idea that Sharpe has the higher ceiling just because he's younger, either.


He doesn’t have a higher ceiling because he’s younger. He has a higher ceiling because he has athletic gifts that Jaquez (and most of the league for that matter) doesn’t have.

If both players managed to maximize every ounce of talent they have, Sharpe would be better. That’s what a ceiling is.
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Post#105 » by deepeeenn » Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:46 am

TBH, I’ve become pretty confused by this post after writing so much in it. I don’t think Shae and Jaime are really comparable. They’re just two different types of players and prospects when you boil it down. Different draft class and highschool class, different ages, some positional overlap, different college experience, rawness vs polished.

Thee better comparison for Jaime should be more Jalen Williams.
Same 2019 highschool class, born a few months a part (Jaime being older), much more positional, athletic and skill overlap, both 3 and 4 year college players that played significant minutes on their respective NBA teams as rookies. Drafted in the teens in ‘22 and ‘23 drafts. These two are debatably less polarizing.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jamie Jaquez Jr 

Post#106 » by VaDe255 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:33 am

DiegoChara wrote:
Rendei wrote:Give me Jaquez all day. I don't care what your "needs" are. Potential is overrated. That's why dudes like Mitchell and Brunson went overlooked, because they were "old." Production is king. Jaquez is a winning player now, as a rookie. He's an older rookie, but he's still young. He's going to get better. I don't buy into the idea that Sharpe has the higher ceiling just because he's younger, either.


He doesn’t have a higher ceiling because he’s younger. He has a higher ceiling because he has athletic gifts that Jaquez (and most of the league for that matter) doesn’t have.

If both players managed to maximize every ounce of talent they have, Sharpe would be better. That’s what a ceiling is.


None of us have a clue what the ceiling of these two players is.
It's determined by so many factors that it's just pure speculation on your part.

- height, wingspan, athleticism, durability, injury frequency
- shooting, ball handling, court vision, basketball IQ
- work ethic, drive

All these things matter and both of them have advantages in some areas over each other.

Fact is JJJ is a better player than SS right now and no one knows if Sharp can even get to the efficiency levels that JJJ is playing at right now (they are elite even for NBA standards).

I really like Sharp and I think he is going to be a NBA level starter eventually (maybe an allstar), but there isn't a way anyone would draft SS over JJJ right now (except some Portland homers).

Besides this dicussion JJJ will likely always be the better player, because coaching matters and the environment matters as well. He is playing winning basketball on a winning team and learning from winning players/coaches.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jamie Jaquez Jr 

Post#107 » by Effigy » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:00 am

VaDe255 wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
Rendei wrote:Give me Jaquez all day. I don't care what your "needs" are. Potential is overrated. That's why dudes like Mitchell and Brunson went overlooked, because they were "old." Production is king. Jaquez is a winning player now, as a rookie. He's an older rookie, but he's still young. He's going to get better. I don't buy into the idea that Sharpe has the higher ceiling just because he's younger, either.


He doesn’t have a higher ceiling because he’s younger. He has a higher ceiling because he has athletic gifts that Jaquez (and most of the league for that matter) doesn’t have.

If both players managed to maximize every ounce of talent they have, Sharpe would be better. That’s what a ceiling is.


None of us have a clue what the ceiling of these two players is.
It's determined by so many factors that it's just pure speculation on your part.

- height, wingspan, athleticism, durability, injury frequency
- shooting, ball handling, court vision, basketball IQ
- work ethic, drive

All these things matter and both of them have advantages in some areas over each other.

Fact is JJJ is a better player than SS right now and no one knows if Sharp can even get to the efficiency levels that JJJ is playing at right now (they are elite even for NBA standards).

I really like Sharp and I think he is going to be a NBA level starter eventually (maybe an allstar), but there isn't a way anyone would draft SS over JJJ right now (except some Portland homers).

Besides this dicussion JJJ will likely always be the better player, because coaching matters and the environment matters as well. He is playing winning basketball on a winning team and learning from winning players/coaches.



Look at the poll. Most of realgm doesn’t agree with you. Most people would draft Sharpe not Jaime. Sharpe is 2 years younger and more athletically gifted. When you draft, you draft on potential and that’s Sharpe. Maybe Jaime will be better, but right now most would bet on Sharpe. Except the Heat homers, of course.
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Post#108 » by DiegoChara » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:12 am

Effigy wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
He doesn’t have a higher ceiling because he’s younger. He has a higher ceiling because he has athletic gifts that Jaquez (and most of the league for that matter) doesn’t have.

If both players managed to maximize every ounce of talent they have, Sharpe would be better. That’s what a ceiling is.


None of us have a clue what the ceiling of these two players is.
It's determined by so many factors that it's just pure speculation on your part.

- height, wingspan, athleticism, durability, injury frequency
- shooting, ball handling, court vision, basketball IQ
- work ethic, drive

All these things matter and both of them have advantages in some areas over each other.

Fact is JJJ is a better player than SS right now and no one knows if Sharp can even get to the efficiency levels that JJJ is playing at right now (they are elite even for NBA standards).

I really like Sharp and I think he is going to be a NBA level starter eventually (maybe an allstar), but there isn't a way anyone would draft SS over JJJ right now (except some Portland homers).

Besides this dicussion JJJ will likely always be the better player, because coaching matters and the environment matters as well. He is playing winning basketball on a winning team and learning from winning players/coaches.



Look at the poll. Most of realgm doesn’t agree with you. Most people would draft Sharpe not Jaime. Sharpe is 2 years younger and more athletically gifted. When you draft, you draft on potential and that’s Sharpe. Maybe Jaime will be better, but right now most would bet on Sharpe. Except the Heat homers, of course.


Apparently there are just THAT many Blazer homers on realgm. Lol.

There is certainly plenty to debate between the two players, but I didn’t expect the pretty self-evident conclusion that Sharpe has a higher ceiling to be one of the things up for debate.
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Post#109 » by VaDe255 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:27 am

DiegoChara wrote:
Effigy wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:
None of us have a clue what the ceiling of these two players is.
It's determined by so many factors that it's just pure speculation on your part.

- height, wingspan, athleticism, durability, injury frequency
- shooting, ball handling, court vision, basketball IQ
- work ethic, drive

All these things matter and both of them have advantages in some areas over each other.

Fact is JJJ is a better player than SS right now and no one knows if Sharp can even get to the efficiency levels that JJJ is playing at right now (they are elite even for NBA standards).

I really like Sharp and I think he is going to be a NBA level starter eventually (maybe an allstar), but there isn't a way anyone would draft SS over JJJ right now (except some Portland homers).

Besides this dicussion JJJ will likely always be the better player, because coaching matters and the environment matters as well. He is playing winning basketball on a winning team and learning from winning players/coaches.



Look at the poll. Most of realgm doesn’t agree with you. Most people would draft Sharpe not Jaime. Sharpe is 2 years younger and more athletically gifted. When you draft, you draft on potential and that’s Sharpe. Maybe Jaime will be better, but right now most would bet on Sharpe. Except the Heat homers, of course.


Apparently there are just THAT many Blazer homers on realgm. Lol.

There is certainly plenty to debate between the two players, but I didn’t expect the pretty self-evident conclusion that Sharpe has a higher ceiling to be one of the things up for debate.


Determining a player's ceiling is speculative and influenced by a myriad of factors, making it one of the more challenging and debated aspects of player evaluation in professional basketball. It's a mix of science, art, and often, a bit of luck in predicting how a player will develop and perform over time.

Claiming that Sharp has a higher ceiling than JJJ is based on what exactly, can you really determine exactly all those things that I mentioned?
The way things stand right now it's more likely that JJJ will be a more successful player than SS.

I don't really care about this poll. Tons of it are homer votes by Heat or Portland fans. What I care about is the advanced stats and how players are perfoming and JJJ is simply far ahead of SS right now and it is not even clear that SS can even reach the same level, just look at those guys over at Detroit they have a ton of "talent" all of them are first round picks, yet they are on a 27 game losing streak, evaluating talent is hard and it more than often turns out not to be what was expected.
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Post#110 » by DiegoChara » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:28 am

VaDe255 wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
Effigy wrote:

Look at the poll. Most of realgm doesn’t agree with you. Most people would draft Sharpe not Jaime. Sharpe is 2 years younger and more athletically gifted. When you draft, you draft on potential and that’s Sharpe. Maybe Jaime will be better, but right now most would bet on Sharpe. Except the Heat homers, of course.


Apparently there are just THAT many Blazer homers on realgm. Lol.

There is certainly plenty to debate between the two players, but I didn’t expect the pretty self-evident conclusion that Sharpe has a higher ceiling to be one of the things up for debate.


Determining a player's ceiling is speculative and influenced by a myriad of factors, making it one of the more challenging and debated aspects of player evaluation in professional basketball. It's a mix of science, art, and often, a bit of luck in predicting how a player will develop and perform over time.

Claiming that Sharp has a higher ceiling than JJJ is based on what exactly, can you really determine exactly all those things that I mentioned?
The way things stand right now it's more likely that JJJ will be a more successful player than SS.

I don't really care about this poll. Tons of it are homer votes by Heat or Portland fans. What I care about is the advanced stats and how players are perfoming and JJJ is simply far ahead of SS right now and it is not even clear that SS can even reach the same level, just look at those guys over at Detroit they have a ton of "talent" all of them are first round picks, yet they are on a 27 game losing streak, evaluating talent is hard and it more than often turns out not to be what was expected.


You said there’s no way anyone but a Blazer homer would draft Sharpe over Jaquez. That’s obviously not true based on the poll. I assure you there aren’t that many Blazer fans on realgm.

I’m actually willing to concede that it’s more likely that JJJ ends up a better player than Sharpe. But that’s a question of the most likely outcome.

The question of a player’s ceiling isn’t about the most likely outcome, it’s about the best case scenario. Sharpe has more raw talent than Jaquez, hence, a higher ceiling. One way I conceptualize it is, if you simulated the player’s career a thousand times, what are the best case scenarios? I don’t think there’s a single scenario where Jaquez is ever a top 10 player in the league. I do think there are some (not a high %, but some) where Sharpe is.

I understand that you’re trying to nitpick about terms like “ceiling” because they’re impossible to quantify precisely, whereas it’s easier to quantify that Jaquez is performing better now.

But like I said, it’s pretty self-evident that Sharpe has a higher ceiling. I don’t think that anybody that is unwilling to concede that is really debating in good faith.

Whether each player will reach their ceilings, or how close they’ll get, are perfectly reasonable questions that people can have different opinions on. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all that many people think Jaquez will always be the better player.
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Post#111 » by VaDe255 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:00 am

DiegoChara wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
Apparently there are just THAT many Blazer homers on realgm. Lol.

There is certainly plenty to debate between the two players, but I didn’t expect the pretty self-evident conclusion that Sharpe has a higher ceiling to be one of the things up for debate.


Determining a player's ceiling is speculative and influenced by a myriad of factors, making it one of the more challenging and debated aspects of player evaluation in professional basketball. It's a mix of science, art, and often, a bit of luck in predicting how a player will develop and perform over time.

Claiming that Sharp has a higher ceiling than JJJ is based on what exactly, can you really determine exactly all those things that I mentioned?
The way things stand right now it's more likely that JJJ will be a more successful player than SS.

I don't really care about this poll. Tons of it are homer votes by Heat or Portland fans. What I care about is the advanced stats and how players are perfoming and JJJ is simply far ahead of SS right now and it is not even clear that SS can even reach the same level, just look at those guys over at Detroit they have a ton of "talent" all of them are first round picks, yet they are on a 27 game losing streak, evaluating talent is hard and it more than often turns out not to be what was expected.


You said there’s no way anyone but a Blazer homer would draft Sharpe over Jaquez. That’s obviously not true based on the poll. I assure you there aren’t that many Blazer fans on realgm.

I’m actually willing to concede that it’s more likely that JJJ ends up a better player than Sharpe. But that’s a question of the most likely outcome.

The question of a player’s ceiling isn’t about the most likely outcome, it’s about the best case scenario. Sharpe has more raw talent than Jaquez, hence, a higher ceiling. One way I conceptualize it is, if you simulated the player’s career a thousand times, what are the best case scenarios? I don’t think there’s a single scenario where Jaquez is ever a top 10 player in the league. I do think there are some (not a high %, but some) where Sharpe is.

I understand that you’re trying to nitpick about terms like “ceiling” because they’re impossible to quantify precisely, whereas it’s easier to quantify that Jaquez is performing better now.

But like I said, it’s pretty self-evident that Sharpe has a higher ceiling. I don’t think that anybody that is unwilling to concede that is really debating in good faith.

Whether each player will reach their ceilings, or how close they’ll get, are perfectly reasonable questions that people can have different opinions on. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all that many people think Jaquez will always be the better player.


Don't take my comment about "only Portland homers would draft SS over JJJ" too serious, it is meant to be hyperbolic. I can see how someone would still draft SS over JJJ, although I think it would be wrong.

Evaluating what a players ceiling is isn't self-evident. It varies widely among analysts, scouts, and fans alike, there is no formula you can plug in numbers and get a projected ceiling, again look at some factors that I mentioned:

- height, wingspan, athleticism, durability, injury frequency
- shooting, ball handling, court vision, basketball IQ
- work ethic, drive

A lot of these things and their progression is unkown to derive a ceiling from it, but all of it does have some impact on it and it's even difficult to tell what is most important.
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Post#112 » by WillyJakkz » Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:30 am

Personally I see shades of a right handed Manu Ginobili in terms of craftiness, vision, handles, passing, shooting, sneaky defense, IQ, and knowing how to use his body in Jamie Jaquez Jr.

I really like this guy. He can hoop!
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Post#113 » by JRoy » Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:42 am

VaDe255 wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
Rendei wrote:Give me Jaquez all day. I don't care what your "needs" are. Potential is overrated. That's why dudes like Mitchell and Brunson went overlooked, because they were "old." Production is king. Jaquez is a winning player now, as a rookie. He's an older rookie, but he's still young. He's going to get better. I don't buy into the idea that Sharpe has the higher ceiling just because he's younger, either.


He doesn’t have a higher ceiling because he’s younger. He has a higher ceiling because he has athletic gifts that Jaquez (and most of the league for that matter) doesn’t have.

If both players managed to maximize every ounce of talent they have, Sharpe would be better. That’s what a ceiling is.


None of us have a clue what the ceiling of these two players is.
It's determined by so many factors that it's just pure speculation on your part.

- height, wingspan, athleticism, durability, injury frequency
- shooting, ball handling, court vision, basketball IQ
- work ethic, drive

All these things matter and both of them have advantages in some areas over each other.

Fact is JJJ is a better player than SS right now and no one knows if Sharp can even get to the efficiency levels that JJJ is playing at right now (they are elite even for NBA standards).

I really like Sharp and I think he is going to be a NBA level starter eventually (maybe an allstar), but there isn't a way anyone would draft SS over JJJ right now (except some Portland homers).

Besides this dicussion JJJ will likely always be the better player, because coaching matters and the environment matters as well. He is playing winning basketball on a winning team and learning from winning players/coaches.


Portland homers? But JJ will always be better? Ok guy.

JJ looks like a high level roleplayer potential. Sharpe could be an all star or bust. Somewhere between JR Smith and Zach Levine. His game is based on athleticism more than JJ.

Sharpe will become a smarter, more skilled and well rounded player. How much is the difference between bust and boom.
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Post#114 » by VaDe255 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:08 pm

JRoy wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:
DiegoChara wrote:
He doesn’t have a higher ceiling because he’s younger. He has a higher ceiling because he has athletic gifts that Jaquez (and most of the league for that matter) doesn’t have.

If both players managed to maximize every ounce of talent they have, Sharpe would be better. That’s what a ceiling is.


None of us have a clue what the ceiling of these two players is.
It's determined by so many factors that it's just pure speculation on your part.

- height, wingspan, athleticism, durability, injury frequency
- shooting, ball handling, court vision, basketball IQ
- work ethic, drive

All these things matter and both of them have advantages in some areas over each other.

Fact is JJJ is a better player than SS right now and no one knows if Sharp can even get to the efficiency levels that JJJ is playing at right now (they are elite even for NBA standards).

I really like Sharp and I think he is going to be a NBA level starter eventually (maybe an allstar), but there isn't a way anyone would draft SS over JJJ right now (except some Portland homers).

Besides this dicussion JJJ will likely always be the better player, because coaching matters and the environment matters as well. He is playing winning basketball on a winning team and learning from winning players/coaches.


Portland homers? But JJ will always be better? Ok guy.

JJ looks like a high level roleplayer potential. Sharpe could be an all star or bust. Somewhere between JR Smith and Zach Levine. His game is based on athleticism more than JJ.

Sharpe will become a smarter, more skilled and well rounded player. How much is the difference between bust and boom.


My comment was hyperbolic, and I'm already regretting it :lol:
I'm not pulling assumptions out of thin air; rather, my perspective that JJJ is likely to be the better player stems from his current standing and the environment with the Heat, who have a strong track record of developing talent. Having a mentor like Jimmy Butler is invaluable, and their games have similarities that bode well for JJJ's growth. It's hard not to envision him flourishing in such a setting.

I do appreciate Sharpe's abilities too. With Simons back, Sharpe might benefit from focusing more on off-ball play rather than creating his own shot. Staying active with catch-and-shoot opportunities and cuts could enhance his efficiency. Coupled with solid defense, these adjustments could solidify his position on the court and contribute to his development as a valuable NBA player. He's just not likely to surpass JJJ in the situation he is in.
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Post#115 » by ChiTownHero1992 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:10 pm

Sharpe has better potential - a higher ceiling if you ask me (potential star) but Jacquez is a good floor, already contributing highly type of guy (likely never a star)
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Post#116 » by IceColdCubano » Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:22 pm

Why are we doing this???

I don't see why this is even a comparison, first of all they play different positions, they have different archetypes as players, they were drafted in different years, they play completely different roles for their organization. As a Heat fan myself I just don't see the allure of this thread, other than connecting the dots that at some point JJJ could have been part of Portland's org if a trade had went down during the Dame saga. That's a better thread connection than a comp between both players.

At the end of the day, JJJ would have fit like a glove for an young team like Portland had a trade gone down, seeing as they were in need of a forward. JJJ style of play which like a super glue guy would have elevated Sharpes game and vice versa played off each other.

Miami drafted JJJ because they had a specific nitch to fill. They are in contention or win now mode, they needed a wing/forward that was ready to go now. JJJ is a 4 year college player that is seasoned, and ready to go from day one. Miami has zero need for upside at the moment. If you had Sharpe in this years draft without knowledge of how any of this guys would translate to the NBA, Sharpe would go problably still go ahead of JJJ in the draft order just based on upside no matter how much we want to argue about how that is quantified. Its some sort of formula or else JJJ would have been drafted earlier. Now seeing JJJ playing he obviously is farther along of what most teams expected. Which is great for Miami since essentially he is now their 4th-5th best player on average and in some games their top 2 most productive.

Sharpe has all the tools to be a premier scorer, if he can put all the other things together, he is making improvements from one year to the next, so progression is happening. At what level he finally reaches well we have another 8-10 years before buddy is in his prime. JJJ is ahead of the curve based on the amount of work he has put in at UCLA in their program people forget that when you go through multiple years in a college program, that continuity helps you accelerate your progress. The NBA is another monster, but making that transition does kind of send players into a shock at least on that first year transition.

Were all here as Heat fans gushing on JJJ but the rookie wall is a thing, and he is playing lots of minutes, and teams will start to scout him as a player to target since he is producing at a high level, lets see him finish the year on the same high before crowning him further.
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Post#117 » by Village Idiot » Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:47 pm

VaDe255 wrote:I really like Sharp and I think he is going to be a NBA level starter eventually (maybe an allstar), but there isn't a way anyone would draft SS over JJJ right now (except some Portland homers).
and yet you've spelled his name wrong multiple times in this thread.

It's great to Jaquez doing so well for the Heat. Congratulations.

You give the impression of being a highly insecure person in this thread who can't seem to be able to deal with the fact that a majority of people here seem to be disagreeing with you.

I am kind of surprised Heat fans haven't gotten a little bit of humility after this past off-season, but I imagine that episode lead to you targeting a Trailblazer specifically in this thread. I eagerly await your Tyler Herro - Anfernee Simons thread :wink:
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jamie Jaquez Jr 

Post#118 » by VaDe255 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:18 pm

Village Idiot wrote:
VaDe255 wrote:I really like Sharp and I think he is going to be a NBA level starter eventually (maybe an allstar), but there isn't a way anyone would draft SS over JJJ right now (except some Portland homers).
and yet you've spelled his name wrong multiple times in this thread.

It's great to Jaquez doing so well for the Heat. Congratulations.

You give the impression of being a highly insecure person in this thread who can't seem to be able to deal with the fact that a majority of people here seem to be disagreeing with you.

I am kind of surprised Heat fans haven't gotten a little bit of humility after this past off-season, but I imagine that episode lead to you targeting a Trailblazer specifically in this thread. I eagerly await your Tyler Herro - Anfernee Simons thread :wink:


I can give you my objective opinion on Herro and compare him to Simons, no problem.

There are some main issues with Herro, that he has not solved:

i) His shot profile currently: 11.6%rim, 47.2%mid, 41.2% 3p with a FT rate of 16.3%.

This isn't good by any means, the rim frequency is too low and the mid range frequency is way too high. It has to change to something like 15%/35%/50%, because I don't think he can significantly increase his FT rate for it to be acceptable and having a sustainable high scoring efficiency.
However, he's been at 57.7% TS, which is good for a high usage guard and I think it's mostly because of how good a shooter he is.

Comparing this to Simons:

His shot profile is at 18%/ 36% / 46% with a FT rate of 22.8%. This is a really good shot profile, that you want for your lead guard and Simons is at 59.4% TS this season, it looks sustainable. He has become a really impressive offensive weapon this season.

ii) Playmaking

Herro is currently at career high 30.2% usage, but his assist% barely improved. He is sitting at 22.1%, which isn't bad but ideally should be higher. His assits/turnover ratio is at 1.57, which isn't good at all for a lead guard.

Comparing this to Simons:

He's also at career high 31.1% usage with an assist% of 28.3% and his assits/turnover ratio is at 2.2 it's decent but not great, still much better than Herro.

If you ask me, who I project to be the better player. I take Simons and although Herro has an edge on the defensive end, Simons more than makes it up on offense.

I really don't care what the majority will say about them, I look at the stats and make an objective evalutation, tell you how I see it.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jamie Jaquez Jr 

Post#119 » by tcheco » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:19 pm

I don't really care much as other pointed, they are in different points in their careers and are different players.
I wonder sometimes if there is a clear more important player between their two archetypes.
JJJ being a forward seems a more in demand player today, even if ends up being "worse" than Sharpe, he could end up having more value I see... Unless Sharpe ends up being a 30ppg, or develops to be a good defender overall.

Mitchel was brought up as someone that was overlooked, but he failed to take a team by himself to conference finals. Anyway...
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jamie Jaquez Jr 

Post#120 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:24 pm

Why are we doing this???


To stir up the bad blood between PDX and MIA fans.

Its an absurd comparison. They are wildly different players.

JJJ looks like more than a high end role player, I think there is a decent chance he can be a legit #3 on a HCA caliber PO team. If he doesnt get that far, he is still basically guaranteed to be an above-replacement-level starter.

Sharpe is an athletic freak who has the raw talent to be a 25ppg scorer but a much rougher-around-the-edges game. His upside is higher but so is his downside. I am not sold on his drive to be elite. He coasts far too much. But he clearly has a different level of raw natural talents. I still dont see him as a #1, but he has a chance of being a legit #2 - I would rate that chance lower than JJJ becoming a legit #3. He also has a chance of never clicking and becoming an empty stat guy IMO.

One played 4 years of college, 1 was basically a straight form HS jump. They play different positions as well.

The whole point of this thread and comparison is to stir up the summer drama between PDX and MIA fans.

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