Woj: Raptors trade Pascal Siakam to Pacers for Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis and 3 first round picks

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #101 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:46 am

Dominator83 wrote:If i were Indy I would be trying 1 pick and Benedict

Why would you be trying to trade Mathurin?

dkb964 · Post #102 » by **dkb964** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:47 am

xBulletproof wrote:
dkb964 wrote:
xBulletproof wrote:
Why? Pacers picks are all late firsts, we own a couple extra and they're late 1sts most likely.

Late 1sts rarely translate to anything in reality. If a team offered me to 20+ first round picks for Mathurin I'm saying no without hesitation, and I'm one of the Pacers fans who isn't as high on him.

OG Anunoby and Pascal Siakam were both drafted in the late 20s.

Doesn't change the fact that finding a guy like that is 5%. Go back decades, and go through the picks in the 20's. If you don't follow college basketball you won't even hardly know some of them. There was a study I saw years ago that showed past 15th pick you had like a 5% chance at a guy who will make an All Star game. That means the average team will find one of those guys every 20 years or something. I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was in that range.

Sounds like you are just maong up percentages to be honest.

ArksNetsSince99 · Post #103 » by **ArksNetsSince99** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:50 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
I think Simmons takes the cake

Ben is an expiring next season so easily tradable salary , Beal is not

ya but next season isn't this season. right now one of the worst with wiggins

Stop lowering Ben’s value, you buying or not ? :lol:

WuTang_CMB · Post #104 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:53 am

ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
Ben is an expiring next season so easily tradable salary , Beal is not

ya but next season isn't this season. right now one of the worst with wiggins

Stop lowering Ben’s value, you buying or not ?

canadian snacks lol

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #105 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:56 am

Childs wrote:I'd be a little surprise if its true. The Raptors don't typically leak things until the trade happens.

Neither do the Pacers.

When PG was in the process of being traded, no one saw OKC coming.

Also, no one was talking about Domas/Haliburton either.

Hoop Hunter · Post #106 » by **Hoop Hunter** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 4:56 am

I hate it. Unless it's a sign and trade, Then still kinda hate it.

Hoop Hunter · Post #107 » by **Hoop Hunter** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:07 am

ArksNetsSince99 wrote:Indy is a dumb team , right when they starting to gain momentum and they’re maybe one solid piece or two from contention they gonna trade for Siakam

Some teams never learn

Two years from now they will be in the same boat when Hali ask to be traded

What do you mean by some teams never learn? Seriously what are you talking about? You're talking out the wrong orifice dude.

We've not drafted that great, but we've been really good on trades for decades.

Vampirate · Post #108 » by **Vampirate** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:09 am

Hoop Hunter wrote:I hate it. Unless it's a sign and trade, Then still kinda hate it.

I don't know why you don't go for Lauri if you are trading for a star.

WentzerWuver · Post #109 » by **WentzerWuver** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:10 am

ArksNetsSince99 wrote:Indy is a dumb team , right when they starting to gain momentum and they’re maybe one solid piece or two from contention they gonna trade for Siakam

Some teams never learn

Two years from now they will be in the same boat when Hali ask to be traded

If I am the Raptors GM and you guys want my Siakam, all I want is Walker and Mathurin plus a 2nd round pick. Thats more than fair since they can keep all your 1st rounders.

Post #110 » by **zimpy27** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:14 am

Hoop Hunter wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:Indy is a dumb team , right when they starting to gain momentum and they’re maybe one solid piece or two from contention they gonna trade for Siakam

Some teams never learn

Two years from now they will be in the same boat when Hali ask to be traded

What do you mean by some teams never learn? Seriously what are you talking about? You're talking out the wrong orifice dude.

We've not drafted that great, but we've been really good on trades for decades.

Yeah..

IND24FRP and OKC24FRP are like going to be around pick 20 and 27 in what's called a poor draft year.

That 3rd pick needs to be juicy otherwise this is solid for Pacers.

Hoop Hunter · Post #111 » by **Hoop Hunter** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:18 am

WentzerWuver wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:Indy is a dumb team , right when they starting to gain momentum and they’re maybe one solid piece or two from contention they gonna trade for Siakam

Some teams never learn

Two years from now they will be in the same boat when Hali ask to be traded
If I am the Raptors GM and you guys want my Siakam, all I want is Walker and Mathurin plus a 2nd round pick. Thats more than fair since they can keep all your 1st rounders.

Holy crap that's moronic. Give up 2 lottery pick players that they are super high on. Instead of late 1st round picks. Lunacy :lol:

Anyway, Mathurin and Walker have aready been said by Pacers to be untouchable in any Pascal trade scenario.

Jimmit79 · Post #112 » by **Jimmit79** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:18 am

You know why raps going after Knicks players cause they stole our plays

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Tottery · Post #113 » by **Tottery** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:26 am

Saints14 wrote:If he was a few years younger I'd love it for Indy. He's a great fit but I wouldn't want to pay him big money into his 30s, and I certainly wouldn't want to trade 3 firsts (and Brown) for the not even guaranteed privilege of doing so

Idk. Players are playing at a high level at 35 more and more. He could sign a 4 year deal, I wouldn't go beyond that. I think he and Hally would be a good fit.

Toronto is a small market team, so maybe Indy is hoping that isn't a big deal and could offer him the max to stay.

Dominator83 · Post #114 » by **Dominator83** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:44 am

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:
Dominator83 wrote:If i were Indy I would be trying 1 pick and Benedict

Why would you be trying to trade Mathurin?

Because he sucks. Empty calories inefficient scorer that does nothing else. Trade him now while now Still has perceived value

kenwood3333 · Post #115 » by **kenwood3333** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:46 am

3 FRP sounds good in theory, but the Raptors has such a poor history of drafting, almost every pick except Barnes turn out to be bust.

Oscirus · Post #116 » by **Oscirus** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:50 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Hoop Hunter wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:Indy is a dumb team , right when they starting to gain momentum and they’re maybe one solid piece or two from contention they gonna trade for Siakam

Some teams never learn

Two years from now they will be in the same boat when Hali ask to be traded

What do you mean by some teams never learn? Seriously what are you talking about? You're talking out the wrong orifice dude.

We've not drafted that great, but we've been really good on trades for decades.

Yeah..

IND24FRP and OKC24FRP are like going to be around pick 20 and 27 in what's called a poor draft year.

That 3rd pick needs to be juicy otherwise this is solid for Pacers.

3 cost controlled players even if they only turn out to be rotational players is a lot for a player that the raptors weren't going to re-sign. It also speeds up the pacers championship window while depleting their assets.

Tor_Raps · Post #117 » by **Tor_Raps** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:51 am

Jimmit79 wrote:You know why raps going after Knicks players cause they stole our plays

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Haha we found that we cant carry out the scouting reports without your players loll

Post #118 » by **zimpy27** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:53 am

Oscirus wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Hoop Hunter wrote:What do you mean by some teams never learn? Seriously what are you talking about? You're talking out the wrong orifice dude.

We've not drafted that great, but we've been really good on trades for decades.

Yeah..

IND24FRP and OKC24FRP are like going to be around pick 20 and 27 in what's called a poor draft year.

That 3rd pick needs to be juicy otherwise this is solid for Pacers.

3 cost controlled players even if they only turn out to be rotational players is a lot for a player that the raptors weren't going to re-sign. It also speeds up the pacers championship window while depleting their assets.

Yeah it's better for Raptors to take as much as they can for Siakam. Agreed.

My point was it's still not much for Pacers to give up (who can try contend this season)

IMF · Post #119 » by **IMF** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:53 am

Dominator83 wrote:
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:
Dominator83 wrote:If i were Indy I would be trying 1 pick and Benedict

Why would you be trying to trade Mathurin?

Because he sucks. Empty calories inefficient scorer that does nothing else. Trade him now while now Still has perceived value

Lol you haven’t watched a second of Mathurin or the Pacers this year outside of IST I’m sure. Mathurins efficiency has improved since his rookie year he’s sitting around 48% from the field and 38% from 3 and he gets to the line a lot. So there’s no actual data to support what you’re saying. He’s also been super coachable, didn’t complain about coming off the bench and Ricks been on him to improve the little things, he’s made strides in his passing. Just an ignorant ass take all around.

Tor_Raps · Post #120 » by **Tor_Raps** » Wed Jan 17, 2024 5:54 am

kenwood3333 wrote:3 FRP sounds good in theory, but the Raptors has such a poor history of drafting, almost every pick except Barnes turn out to be bust.

It's so sad hearing that when this team drafted OG/Siakam/Powell/Fred /Wright with late 1sts/2nds/undrafted signings but you're right, Masai has fallen off in a lot of ways since the championship.

Who won the trade?