Knicks-Sixers L2M for Game 2

[HotelVitale]

Regardless, the outcome is not going to be changed so it's pointless. I still think the refs SHOULD be held accountable for very blatant missed calls since it has direct impact on the outcome of the game. Very disappointed by the NBA. One of the main reasons why people are going away from watching the game.

Kinda hate every part of this take. I'm a Sixers fan and don't think any of those calls were 'very blatant,' especially not in the course of a game in which they were all trying not to call every little touch. And that's precisely because media and fans clamored for that for years. Doing a 180 and saying 'no we don't want them to call every little bit of contact but then we do sometimes' doesn't seem reasonable. (Also these calls didn't 'directly impact' the game any more or less than anything else that happened in the 1st or 3rd quarter.)

Also what do you want them to do--dock their pay or punish them for missing some calls? It's not like they're sleeping on the job or not paying attention, that'd be the only thing a punishment could solve. They're just not able to get every small call and every judgement right, especially not when they have their own eyeballs in real time and we have 25 angles (plus fan cell phone vids) that we can watch for weeks afterward. I guess the NBA could create some kind of system where they're 'reviewed' and given score cards or something, but that's all gonna be window dressing. They're all good refs and they're trying, that's the best the NBA can hope for.

Also seems like you're inventing not one but two facts to make an alarmist conclusion--1) the NBA's been losing lots of viewership, and 2) reffing's gotten so bad that it's directly responsible for that. Neither of those seem real, and if that is a narrative that's out there is seems like it's because people want to believe it.

[bronxknicksfan1]

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My point exactly. Can’t cry about those L2M calls if you watched how Philly defended

[Scalabrine]

It’s hard to remain unbiased as fan of one of the teams, but here I go. It seems Doc was initiating a timeout but Lowry jumped the gun with a quick inbound, so he lowered his hand in two minds. Perhaps if the ref had seen it and confirmed it, things might have been different. But Nurse is to blame here. Blame is squared on him and he seems to diverting attention away from this one F-up. If he desperately wanted it, he needed to be more assertive. Cupping your hand to kinda look like a timeout but not really committing to it during such a crucial part of the game is a big F-up on his part!
Maxey had his jersey pulled - video footage proves this. But refs tend to swallow the whistle in the playoffs. Should be have got the foul? Maybe. But there seemed to be a bit of a push off too when he turned to take the ball. Does one rule out the other? Maybe. But again it’s playoff basketball and you cannot rely on marginal calls to win.

Anyway, good luck to the Knicks fans for the next match. I hope we kick your butt. However, if we don’t and you win, good luck for the rest of the series.

This is extremely reasonable and what I was trying to say from the start. I'm here to extend the olive branch and say I agree with you. It's been a very close series and through two games it's been one of the more exciting series in recent memory. Both games could have gone either way...can't ask for more than that (as a Sixers fans understandably you can ask for at least 1 win).

I personally hope the refs continue to allow a physical series and that both teams continue to play with as much heart as they have in the first two. Same to you, moving forward. If we don't win, I hope the Sixers do. That opinion might change if a majority of the vocal fans on here keep whining and being unreasonable, but you're one of the good ones.

[Ice Man]

Maxey was fouled by most standards, but not necessarily by how the 2024 playoffs have been called. Players in every series are getting bodied, pushed, and smacked. In the regular season, teams averaged 22 FTs per game. In this year's playoffs, which have unquestionably been grittier and more physical than the regular season games, free throws have gone done, to 20 per game.

The refs are letting them play.

[stuporman]

I'm totally ready for Embiid and Maxey to be gifted even more phantom fouls in game 3 than they normally get and undoubtedly the Sixer fans will cry about that game as well. Prove me wrong, please, do it.

[UcanUwill]

What pisses me off the most about this, these refs will just ref again soon I bet. If this happens in let say FIBA, I doubt these guys ref again. Said this many times, officiating got so low level in this league and it is about to be the same, since NBA has done everything to not hold officials accountable. Like who cares, they can always just post oopsie woopsie and move on, not like this matter...

[BigShot Bojan]

all this crying about refs despite:
Brunson being hand-checked ALL GAME,
Embiid drawing fouls for any contact.
I still don't understand how Lowry could slap DDVs shoulder and they feel it is not a foul.

See we both have gripes.

Either way

Philly vocal about knicks being the preferred team than cry when they lose.

Bill Burr said it best:

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[UcanUwill]

Regardless, the outcome is not going to be changed so it's pointless. I still think the refs SHOULD be held accountable for very blatant missed calls since it has direct impact on the outcome of the game. Very disappointed by the NBA. One of the main reasons why people are going away from watching the game.

Kinda hate every part of this take. I'm a Sixers fan and don't think any of those calls were 'very blatant,' especially not in the course of a game in which they were all trying not to call every little touch. And that's precisely because media and fans clamored for that for years. Doing a 180 and saying 'no we don't want them to call every little bit of contact but then we do sometimes' doesn't seem reasonable. (Also these calls didn't 'directly impact' the game any more or less than anything else that happened in the 1st or 3rd quarter.)

Also what do you want them to do--dock their pay or punish them for missing some calls? It's not like they're sleeping on the job or not paying attention, that'd be the only thing a punishment could solve. They're just not able to get every small call and every judgement right, especially not when they have their own eyeballs in real time and we have 25 angles (plus fan cell phone vids) that we can watch for weeks afterward. I guess the NBA could create some kind of system where they're 'reviewed' and given score cards or something, but that's all gonna be window dressing. They're all good refs and they're trying, that's the best the NBA can hope for.

Also seems like you're inventing not one but two facts to make an alarmist conclusion--1) the NBA's been losing lots of viewership, and 2) reffing's gotten so bad that it's directly responsible for that. Neither of those seem real, and if that is a narrative that's out there is seems like it's because people want to believe it.

These calls directly impact the game way more than ones in first or third quaters. Anything that happens in first quater will have buterfly effect to everything else, but you have entire game to catch up and adapt. Here you have several seconds left, so even the logic of 2 points in first minute means the same as 2 points in the last is completely incomparable to this.

A call is basically a modifier in a game. Which one can cost more, the one that happens early and one everyone adapts to, or the one that happens near finish line and changes things? Simple logic here to me.

[Raps in 4]

They should do an Embiid foul report where they assess every foul called against Embiid. I bet at least 50% would be real fouls!

[Zeno]

Personally I felt like the Knicks got a more favourable whistle throughout the game not just in the last two minutes. But whatever, that is what homecourt advantage is.

[HotelVitale]

Regardless, the outcome is not going to be changed so it's pointless. I still think the refs SHOULD be held accountable for very blatant missed calls since it has direct impact on the outcome of the game. Very disappointed by the NBA. One of the main reasons why people are going away from watching the game.

Kinda hate every part of this take. I'm a Sixers fan and don't think any of those calls were 'very blatant,' especially not in the course of a game in which they were all trying not to call every little touch. And that's precisely because media and fans clamored for that for years. Doing a 180 and saying 'no we don't want them to call every little bit of contact but then we do sometimes' doesn't seem reasonable. (Also these calls didn't 'directly impact' the game any more or less than anything else that happened in the 1st or 3rd quarter.)

Also what do you want them to do--dock their pay or punish them for missing some calls? It's not like they're sleeping on the job or not paying attention, that'd be the only thing a punishment could solve. They're just not able to get every small call and every judgement right, especially not when they have their own eyeballs in real time and we have 25 angles (plus fan cell phone vids) that we can watch for weeks afterward. I guess the NBA could create some kind of system where they're 'reviewed' and given score cards or something, but that's all gonna be window dressing. They're all good refs and they're trying, that's the best the NBA can hope for.

Also seems like you're inventing not one but two facts to make an alarmist conclusion--1) the NBA's been losing lots of viewership, and 2) reffing's gotten so bad that it's directly responsible for that. Neither of those seem real, and if that is a narrative that's out there is seems like it's because people want to believe it.

These calls directly impact the game way more than ones in first or third quaters. Anything that happens in first quater will have buterfly effect to everything else, but you have entire game to catch up and adapt. Here you have several seconds left, so even the logic of 2 points in first minute means the same as 2 points in the last is completely incomparable to this.

A call is basically a modifier in a game. Which one can cost more, the one that happens early and one everyone adapts to, or the one that happens near finish line and changes things? Simple logic here to me.

Not trying to be argumentative but the logic of your point seems off to me. First of players have to deal with the outcome of a call in the 1st, AND have to learn/adapt from that, it seems more powerful than this type of one at the end of a game that only has direct outcome/consequences.

Second I think i get your pt on butterfly effect but think you’re overplaying the idea of teams ‘adjusting’ or controlling the game around that. If the Sixers got a bad call and 2 FTs gifted to them a play or two earlier, the Sixers would’ve had two more pts and Maxey’s TO would be irrelevant. The Knicks might not have even played D the same way, and either way the whole drama of the end wouldn’t have happened. That’s what happens in most games, we’re only talking this one call to death because the game totally swung on one pt and one foul call/non call, but yes any earlier call could’ve made that not the case.

[___Rand___]

It does make it hard not to feel like these reports are more about quelling complaints than anything else when they tend to only acknowledge errors when one team is outraged and the obfuscate everything with unclear wording & formatting, so that the maximal number of people can interpret the reports in the way they want too.

Refs have an impossible job, but I do wish that more big sports leagues had a third party managing the quality of the refs. I'm spoiled as a Bundesliga fan...mistakes still happen, but in general refs are very consistent; even if "star calls" are a thing in every sport...


And lol, what can I say. I'm a very kind & understanding guy who has always appreciated different perspectives and enjoyed satiating the women in my life...but my putita likes what she likes. Plus...how am I not supposed to laugh when I see the words "Tyrese Maxey Josh Hart CNC Video"

Well that's just it. It is about quelling complaints. Sometimes the teams just want acknowledgement that refs fudged up and they can move on - also this is about clarification of rules. Otherwise interpretations become a problem.

yea I noticed CNC is hugely popular with young women. Older women never requests this. I'd like to hear your theories on why that is - send me a PM!

True...I just wish they did a better job of the clarifying the rules part. Like I still would like an explanation for why the contact on Hart was marginal when Maxey initiates the contact, extends both arms, and Hart gets thrown off balance by it.

Not saying that they're wrong to call that a correct non-call but the fouls on Maxey incorrect non-calls; I just want to understand why for my own edification.

What's not said is, the NBA is saying is Hart exaggerated the contact. That's why they are calling it "marginal" when Hart was falling backwards.

***If this OT tangent isn't board appropriate, can a mod let me know and we'll take this to PM's if there's anything more to be said***

Having talked about this with a lot of the girls that were into and many of my platonic female friends...and having had sketchy experiences of my own with an older girl when I was entirely too young...my best understanding is that (like everything in life) it's a combination of many factors, but (arguably) the biggest are:

Porn getting more violent & more girls watching extreme porn at very young ages; it playing into the age gap thing; and...not just how many women have either experienced real sexual violence/abuse for themselves, or had someone close to them affected by it...but how much more aware they are of how common place it is amongst all groups of women.

So, like most kinks (if explored with a trustworthy partner*), it can provide a safe environment in which to play through similar experiences. Either for catharsis about an ever-present fear, or to be able to interact with those experience that have been bottled up without being utterly overwhelmed.

Plus it plays on that connection between fear & arousal that can be formed when your formative sexual experiences are unwanted & terrifying.


*which itself is a major gamble in the bdsm world...there are just sooooo many narcissistic little boys that call themselves doms instead of the scum that they really are...

yeah porn contributing to it makes a lot of sense. It's the generation that grew up with rampant porn online.

[___Rand___]

all this crying about refs despite:
Brunson being hand-checked ALL GAME,
Embiid drawing fouls for any contact.
I still don't understand how Lowry could slap DDVs shoulder and they feel it is not a foul.

See we both have gripes.

Either way

Philly vocal about knicks being the preferred team than cry when they lose.

Bill Burr said it best:

Watch on YouTube

lol there's a grainy video of this right from the start. He just smashed philly audience. they loved it.

[Im Coming Home]

Maxey was fouled by most standards, but not necessarily by how the 2024 playoffs have been called. Players in every series are getting bodied, pushed, and smacked. In the regular season, teams averaged 22 FTs per game. In this year's playoffs, which have unquestionably been grittier and more physical than the regular season games, free throws have gone done, to 20 per game.

The refs are letting them play.

Yeah I wonder what 'lens' the L2M uses, do they look at it as if it was softly called regular season game when making determinations with no context, no 'feel for how they've been calling the game, etc', or do they look at it with the lens that its a playoff game thats been physical all game with both teams getting away with tons of contact.

Because if its looking at it from a regular season/by the book softly called game.. then the L2M is useless really in the playoffs and should be ignored.

[mksp]

Just take the W Knicks fans, jesus. The video and L2M report clearly show that the NY benefited from favorable officiating in the key moment of the game. Missing 2 fouls AND a TO attempt? It's basically unheard of. 9 times out of 10 those calls are made, Maxey hits two FTs and game is over and nobody says anything about the officials.

You won the game, but you also got lucky, just appreciate it. Nobody is taking away the Raptors championship bc Kawhi bounced in a 3 and nobody is taking away your W, but it was still lucky.

And Philly is taking the brunt of the missed calls according to the L2M reports this season, so yeah, it's getting a little old.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Just take the W Knicks fans, jesus. The video and L2M report clearly show that the NY benefited from favorable officiating in the key moment of the game. Missing 2 fouls AND a TO attempt? It's basically unheard of. 9 times out of 10 those calls are made, Maxey hits two FTs and game is over and nobody says anything about the officials.

You won the game, but you also got lucky, just appreciate it. Nobody is taking away the Raptors championship bc Kawhi bounced in a 3 and nobody is taking away your W, but it was still lucky.

And Philly is taking the brunt of the missed calls according to the L2M reports this season, so yeah, it's getting a little old.

*yawn*

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[stuporman]

Now I have them all in one spot...

[76ersForLife]

Go watch Pre Wrestling. Stop watching the NBA.

Seems like they're both the same. The outcome is predetermined.

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Gosh you Sixers fans are acting like such little babies.

You lost a really good game. It was a physical, tough battle and the refs were letting them play all game. I'll take that over a game where the refs are blowing their whistle over ever little thing. There are still 5 games left. The series ain't over! If we got 5 more games like that and it ends in a Knicks series loss I think we'll look back at this as one of the greatest series ever. If the Knicks lose that, I'll still be very proud of this team and will probably root for the Sixers to get out of the East.

But if you seriously think this is all rigged and the outcomes are pre-determined, then you should just stop watching. Whats the fun in it? I'm being serious. Why would you watch this game and post on a message board if this is really what you believe. What a sad life.

You have to understand we literally just lost a Super Bowl on a BS holding call against the Eagles. Now the refs literally missed Maxey being fouled twice in a situation where the Knicks had to foul being down 2 with that amount of time left. They also missed Nurse calling timeout which is ridiculous because again they should be expecting the 76ers to call time out in that situation to advance the ball. that is a total lack of situational awareness by the officiating crew.

I like the Knicks, they have a bunch of Philly Nova guys that have class and are overachievers that play their butts off but the refs really butchered that entire sequence.

[UcanUwill]

Kinda hate every part of this take. I'm a Sixers fan and don't think any of those calls were 'very blatant,' especially not in the course of a game in which they were all trying not to call every little touch. And that's precisely because media and fans clamored for that for years. Doing a 180 and saying 'no we don't want them to call every little bit of contact but then we do sometimes' doesn't seem reasonable. (Also these calls didn't 'directly impact' the game any more or less than anything else that happened in the 1st or 3rd quarter.)

Also what do you want them to do--dock their pay or punish them for missing some calls? It's not like they're sleeping on the job or not paying attention, that'd be the only thing a punishment could solve. They're just not able to get every small call and every judgement right, especially not when they have their own eyeballs in real time and we have 25 angles (plus fan cell phone vids) that we can watch for weeks afterward. I guess the NBA could create some kind of system where they're 'reviewed' and given score cards or something, but that's all gonna be window dressing. They're all good refs and they're trying, that's the best the NBA can hope for.

Also seems like you're inventing not one but two facts to make an alarmist conclusion--1) the NBA's been losing lots of viewership, and 2) reffing's gotten so bad that it's directly responsible for that. Neither of those seem real, and if that is a narrative that's out there is seems like it's because people want to believe it.

These calls directly impact the game way more than ones in first or third quaters. Anything that happens in first quater will have buterfly effect to everything else, but you have entire game to catch up and adapt. Here you have several seconds left, so even the logic of 2 points in first minute means the same as 2 points in the last is completely incomparable to this.

A call is basically a modifier in a game. Which one can cost more, the one that happens early and one everyone adapts to, or the one that happens near finish line and changes things? Simple logic here to me.

Not trying to be argumentative but the logic of your point seems off to me. First of players have to deal with the outcome of a call in the 1st, AND have to learn/adapt from that, it seems more powerful than this type of one at the end of a game that only has direct outcome/consequences.

Second I think i get your pt on butterfly effect but think you’re overplaying the idea of teams ‘adjusting’ or controlling the game around that. If the Sixers got a bad call and 2 FTs gifted to them a play or two earlier, the Sixers would’ve had two more pts and Maxey’s TO would be irrelevant. The Knicks might not have even played D the same way, and either way the whole drama of the end wouldn’t have happened. That’s what happens in most games, we’re only talking this one call to death because the game totally swung on one pt and one foul call/non call, but yes any earlier call could’ve made that not the case.

To me, I look at this, and it might be stupid analogy, I dont know. But let say you run Marathon, but if has such calls/modifiers where your opponent gets 5 extra seconds advantage. And it can happen at any time. If it happens early, maybe in theory it can have bigger impact because if lasting impact, but if it happens early, you still have nearly whole marathon to make up for that. But what if it hapoens in the last 50 meters? If the run was close, it flat decides that you lost. So on surface, modifier is the same, but one impacts the run and the other devices the final outcome. It is just not the same.

[OxAndFox]

If the refs are going to call hold the jersey as fouls from here on out, looks like Brunson will have a field day drawing fouls from Oubre and Batum. They’ve been tugging and pulling during inbound plays the entire time.

And here in lies the problem.