Luka on pace to lead the playoffs in Total PTS/REB/AST

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Re: Luka on pace to lead the playoffs in Total PTS/REB/AST 

Post#101 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:57 am

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Impuniti wrote:I hope my future wife loves me as much as HotRocks loves Luka and my future kids admire me as much as Hotrocks admires Luka.


IIRC he was a LeBron defender as well. I'm guessing he went from LeBron > Luka



I used to be, but that was a long time ago. Back in the Kobe vs Bron days.
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Post#102 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:19 pm

After G3 of The Finals, Luka's Playoffs DRAPTOR remains at +1.2 (higher positive is the goal). He is second on the team in that category (Lively; +1.7).

His overall Playoffs RAPTOR improves from +3.6 to +3.7 after G3.


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Post#103 » by Yank3525 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:23 pm

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Aiolos wrote:No matter how hard you try because you might be the only one that is going really hard trying to prove Luka is not a bad defensive player most people will forever imo remember this Finals as showing that Luka Doncic had in their minds the worst or one of the worst defensive showings in Finals history.

My take I definitely think in a specific context Luka definitely has serious defensive problems that I think he can fix. I dont think like some think the Mavs are down 0 - 3 in the series solely for his defense, imo its one component of the reason not the whole reason.



It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks.

The data is the data and there are plenty of clips to back it up.


I think it does matter what me and others think otherwise you would imo not be going this hard trying to disprove and defend Luka as it pertains to this subject.

It looks like its personal to you.


That how it always is for people who go 100% all in on the numbers.
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Post#104 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:25 pm

^ Doesn't realize there are 16 clips in this thread of Luka playing good defense in G1 and G2.

Numbers back up the clips.
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Post#105 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:06 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:Two other observations about Luka's positive effect on Dallas' defense:

* He seems to fit well with Dallas' "pack the paint" scheme. If Luka gets beat by his man he can still funnel him to a clogged lane with a shot blocker. This often results in a kick out and Luka is good at picking off some of the kick outs and he's long enough and smart enough to get back and defend vs threes when the kick out comes.


HotRocks34 wrote:Ok, here's the BBREF individual DRTG stats through G3.
So, putting together the data through G3:

* Luka has the best individual DRTG among all Mavs players in The Finals

* Luka has the second-best On Court Team DRTG (Lively) for any Mavs player averaging at least 10 mpg in the series

* Dallas' Team DRTG is at its worst with Luka Off Court


Sounds like Luka is a Lockdown defender, then.

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Post#106 » by Impuniti » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:08 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Two other observations about Luka's positive effect on Dallas' defense:

* He seems to fit well with Dallas' "pack the paint" scheme. If Luka gets beat by his man he can still funnel him to a clogged lane with a shot blocker. This often results in a kick out and Luka is good at picking off some of the kick outs and he's long enough and smart enough to get back and defend vs threes when the kick out comes.


HotRocks34 wrote:Ok, here's the BBREF individual DRTG stats through G3.
So, putting together the data through G3:

* Luka has the best individual DRTG among all Mavs players in The Finals

* Luka has the second-best On Court Team DRTG (Lively) for any Mavs player averaging at least 10 mpg in the series

* Dallas' Team DRTG is at its worst with Luka Off Court


Sounds like Luka is a Lockdown defender, then.

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Does this mean within the last 10 years, Luka is the worst, the second worst, and third worst since from any playoff series?
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Post#107 » by UglyBugBall » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:11 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Two other observations about Luka's positive effect on Dallas' defense:

* He seems to fit well with Dallas' "pack the paint" scheme. If Luka gets beat by his man he can still funnel him to a clogged lane with a shot blocker. This often results in a kick out and Luka is good at picking off some of the kick outs and he's long enough and smart enough to get back and defend vs threes when the kick out comes.


HotRocks34 wrote:Ok, here's the BBREF individual DRTG stats through G3.
So, putting together the data through G3:

* Luka has the best individual DRTG among all Mavs players in The Finals

* Luka has the second-best On Court Team DRTG (Lively) for any Mavs player averaging at least 10 mpg in the series

* Dallas' Team DRTG is at its worst with Luka Off Court


Sounds like Luka is a Lockdown defender, then.

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That's his strategy, he's funneling the driver to their bigs who are great rim protectors. Luka has been playing good defense, casuals are just not familiar with the scheme and think he's not playing defense when he's following the game plan and it got them to the finals. Luka is an above average defender. Not yet great, but quite good.
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Post#108 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:12 pm

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Does this mean within the last 10 years, Luka is the worst, the second worst, and third worst since from any playoff series?



It would appear so.

But that's blow by rate, not Def Rating, a more accepted measure of defensive impact.

Weird that his worst ever numbers in this metric were both in series wins...before this week.
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Post#109 » by bigboi » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:17 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Two other observations about Luka's positive effect on Dallas' defense:

* He seems to fit well with Dallas' "pack the paint" scheme. If Luka gets beat by his man he can still funnel him to a clogged lane with a shot blocker. This often results in a kick out and Luka is good at picking off some of the kick outs and he's long enough and smart enough to get back and defend vs threes when the kick out comes.


HotRocks34 wrote:Ok, here's the BBREF individual DRTG stats through G3.
So, putting together the data through G3:

* Luka has the best individual DRTG among all Mavs players in The Finals

* Luka has the second-best On Court Team DRTG (Lively) for any Mavs player averaging at least 10 mpg in the series

* Dallas' Team DRTG is at its worst with Luka Off Court


Sounds like Luka is a Lockdown defender, then.

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That's his strategy, he's funneling the driver to their bigs who are great rim protectors. Luka has been playing good defense, casuals are just not familiar with the scheme and think he's not playing defense when he's following the game plan and it got them to the finals. Luka is an above average defender. Not yet great, but quite good.


Is this a troll post? I hope so
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Post#110 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:37 pm

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UglyBugBall wrote:That's his strategy, he's funneling the driver to their bigs who are great rim protectors. Luka has been playing good defense, casuals are just not familiar with the scheme and think he's not playing defense when he's following the game plan and it got them to the finals. Luka is an above average defender. Not yet great, but quite good.


Is this a troll post? I hope so


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Yep. Luka is an amazing wing defender. There is absolutely no room for improvement next year. :crazy:
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Post#111 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:43 pm

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That's his strategy, he's funneling the driver to their bigs who are great rim protectors. Luka has been playing good defense, casuals are just not familiar with the scheme and think he's not playing defense when he's following the game plan and it got them to the finals. Luka is an above average defender. Not yet great, but quite good.



Yes. That's the scheme.

One of the clips I posted in the thread was him doing this with Tatum, which resulted in a DJJ block.

When you play with shot blockers behind you, utilizing them is part of the strategy. As I pointed out earlier in summarizing how Luka fits with Dallas' defense.

No contradiction in the data that I have seen.

Still 1+ games left. I do think Luka is wearing down a bit so let's see what we get.
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Post#112 » by HotRocks34 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:08 am

This guy did the clips for me tonight. I still want to look at the stats, though.

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Post#113 » by blueberrysticky » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:11 am

HotRocks34 wrote:This guy did the clips for me tonight. I still want to look at the stats, though.

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Post#114 » by AleksandarN » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:20 am

HotRocks34 wrote:After G3 of The Finals, Luka's Playoffs DRAPTOR remains at +1.2 (higher positive is the goal). He is second on the team in that category (Lively; +1.7).

His overall Playoffs RAPTOR improves from +3.6 to +3.7 after G3.


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Post#115 » by AleksandarN » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:27 am

bigboi wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:That's his strategy, he's funneling the driver to their bigs who are great rim protectors. Luka has been playing good defense, casuals are just not familiar with the scheme and think he's not playing defense when he's following the game plan and it got them to the finals. Luka is an above average defender. Not yet great, but quite good.


Is this a troll post? I hope so


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Post#116 » by hugepatsfan » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:31 am

HotRocks34 wrote:This guy did the clips for me tonight. I still want to look at the stats, though.

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Did the media criticism get in his head and make him act defiantly against their “let everyone go by you because we have shot blockers scheme” you mentioned earlier? It worked tonight, but do you think maybe there could be a rift between Luka and the coaches over it?
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Post#117 » by HotRocks34 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:37 am

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HotRocks34 wrote:This guy did the clips for me tonight. I still want to look at the stats, though.

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Did the media criticism get in his head and make him act defiantly against their “let everyone go by you because we have shot blockers scheme” you mentioned earlier? It worked tonight, but do you think maybe there could be a rift between Luka and the coaches over it?


Great question and I don't know.

You don't always want to let the guy go, but having the shot blocker back there does change the mindset IMO. Particularly when you're playing as many minutes as Luka is and with his level of offensive responsibility, which takes energy.
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Post#118 » by HotRocks34 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 3:47 am

Quick overview of Luka Team DRTG and NRTG stats tonight:

* On Court......86 DAL DRTG
* Off Court.....88 DAL DRTG
* On/Off NRTG.....+11


So, another game with good defensive effect for Luka.
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