Cade Cunningham should be an all star

[Mr Peanut]

Looks like he is 15th ranked East guard In LEBRON and 7th is EPM
If you look at EPM Wins he climbs to 4th behind Brunson, White and Mitchell.
4.5 turnovers a game and a well below average TS% bring him down.
Box score stats look nice but there is more to the story.

These are honestly the worst types of post on this forum. Just admit you haven't watched him and don't wade into the debate with a few niche advanced stats that you think are going to trump all of the other data/eye test.

Just some pertinent Data. Not really niche. They are the most respected impact metrics.
I think the worst posts are those that are needlessly negative and make assumptions about other posters.

LEBRON and EPM are commonly quoted on this board so could be assumed to be widely known, but the majority of NBA fans would have no idea what you're talking about i.e. niche. They do have their role in player analysis but also have their flaws, like any metric. So they should be complementary to the other data, and using them as the primary basis to rank players and base a definitive opinion off is somewhat disingenuous.

[Mr Peanut]

Cade goes into Phoenix: 28 points, 13 assists, 4 stocks on 63.4% TS and a wire to wire win. Even a few MVP chants on his final three throws .

In his last 8 games since returning from a brief injury - 25.3 ppg, 11.5 apg, 6.8 rpg (on 60% TS, just to satisfy the efficiency analyzers).

Not an All-Star though.

This is literally the only forum I’ve found on the internet saying Cade isn’t an all-star. Lmfao.

I frequent a few avenues for NBA discussion, the majority not being Pistons fans, and the overwhelming sentiment is that Cade is deserving of being an All-Star. Some people are actually debating whether he deserves to be a starter and whether he is in All-NBA contention (for the record I think he currently falls short of both of those). Agreed that RealGM seems to be a bit of an outlier in that respect.

[cupcakesnake]

These are honestly the worst types of post on this forum. Just admit you haven't watched him and don't wade into the debate with a few niche advanced stats that you think are going to trump all of the other data/eye test.

Just some pertinent Data. Not really niche. They are the most respected impact metrics.
I think the worst posts are those that are needlessly negative and make assumptions about other posters.

LEBRON and EPM are commonly quoted on this board so could be assumed to be widely known, but the majority of NBA fans would have no idea what you're talking about i.e. niche. They do have their role in player analysis but also have their flaws, like any metric. So they should be complementary to the other data, and using them as the primary basis to rank players and base a definitive opinion off is somewhat disingenuous.

There's nothing wrong with someone providing some stats in the context of a wider discussion about the player. brackdan70 never stated those stats were the only thing that matters, or that they "trump all of the other data/eye test". There's room in a message board topic about Cade's all-star case to discuss all the things. It's all relevant.

Cade goes into Phoenix: 28 points, 13 assists, 4 stocks on 63.4% TS and a wire to wire win. Even a few MVP chants on his final three throws .

In his last 8 games since returning from a brief injury - 25.3 ppg, 11.5 apg, 6.8 rpg (on 60% TS, just to satisfy the efficiency analyzers).

Not an All-Star though.

This is literally the only forum I’ve found on the internet saying Cade isn’t an all-star. Lmfao.

I frequent a few avenues for NBA discussion, the majority not being Pistons fans, and the overwhelming sentiment is that Cade is deserving of being an All-Star. Some people are actually debating whether he deserves to be a starter and whether he is in All-NBA contention (for the record I think he currently falls short of both of those). Agreed that RealGM seems to be a bit of an outlier in that respect.

The majority of people are ranking all-stars based on obvious box score numbers, so this isn't something where the majority opinion is the correct or smart one. I don't get what kind of argument this is.

Cade very clearly has an all-star case. Anyone putting up 24-7-10 is going to get heavy consideration. These numbers are coming in the context of super heavy usage on a losing team, so of course there's going to be scrutiny from anyone who wonders "how good is Cade really?"

The East does have a deep guard pool with Mitchell, White, Lillard, Garland all as very good guards on very good teams. Cade and Trae are both trying to crack into that and have really good cases. It's a worthwhile question if Cade's counting stats will carry the day.

[brackdan70]

These are honestly the worst types of post on this forum. Just admit you haven't watched him and don't wade into the debate with a few niche advanced stats that you think are going to trump all of the other data/eye test.

Just some pertinent Data. Not really niche. They are the most respected impact metrics.
I think the worst posts are those that are needlessly negative and make assumptions about other posters.

LEBRON and EPM are commonly quoted on this board so could be assumed to be widely known, but the majority of NBA fans would have no idea what you're talking about i.e. niche. They do have their role in player analysis but also have their flaws, like any metric. So they should be complementary to the other data, and using them as the primary basis to rank players and base a definitive opinion off is somewhat disingenuous.

For sure. I am not saying these are definitive or the clear ranking of players. I am saying impact data is important to consider. You have to look at it along side other data as well. I am just adding this to the conversation because box score stats similarly don’t necessarily tell us the whole story either. Cade box s ore stats really jump out, but there is more to the story. He deserves consideration but there are plenty of other guards with equal or better arguments if you look at the whole picture.

[cgf]

Just some pertinent Data. Not really niche. They are the most respected impact metrics.
I think the worst posts are those that are needlessly negative and make assumptions about other posters.

LEBRON and EPM are commonly quoted on this board so could be assumed to be widely known, but the majority of NBA fans would have no idea what you're talking about i.e. niche. They do have their role in player analysis but also have their flaws, like any metric. So they should be complementary to the other data, and using them as the primary basis to rank players and base a definitive opinion off is somewhat disingenuous.

There's nothing wrong with someone providing some stats in the context of a wider discussion about the player. brackdan70 never stated those stats were the only thing that matters, or that they "trump all of the other data/eye test". There's room in a message board topic about Cade's all-star case to discuss all the things. It's all relevant.

This is literally the only forum I’ve found on the internet saying Cade isn’t an all-star. Lmfao.

I frequent a few avenues for NBA discussion, the majority not being Pistons fans, and the overwhelming sentiment is that Cade is deserving of being an All-Star. Some people are actually debating whether he deserves to be a starter and whether he is in All-NBA contention (for the record I think he currently falls short of both of those). Agreed that RealGM seems to be a bit of an outlier in that respect.

The majority of people are ranking all-stars based on obvious box score numbers, so this isn't something where the majority opinion is the correct or smart one. I don't get what kind of argument this is.

Cade very clearly has an all-star case. Anyone putting up 24-7-10 is going to get heavy consideration. These numbers are coming in the context of super heavy usage on a losing team, so of course there's going to be scrutiny from anyone who wonders "how good is Cade really?"

The East does have a deep guard pool with Mitchell, White, Lillard, Garland all as very good guards on very good teams. Cade and Trae are both trying to crack into that and have really good cases. It's a worthwhile question if Cade's counting stats will carry the day.

The Brunson Burner continues to be slept on

[brackdan70]

LEBRON and EPM are commonly quoted on this board so could be assumed to be widely known, but the majority of NBA fans would have no idea what you're talking about i.e. niche. They do have their role in player analysis but also have their flaws, like any metric. So they should be complementary to the other data, and using them as the primary basis to rank players and base a definitive opinion off is somewhat disingenuous.

There's nothing wrong with someone providing some stats in the context of a wider discussion about the player. brackdan70 never stated those stats were the only thing that matters, or that they "trump all of the other data/eye test". There's room in a message board topic about Cade's all-star case to discuss all the things. It's all relevant.

I frequent a few avenues for NBA discussion, the majority not being Pistons fans, and the overwhelming sentiment is that Cade is deserving of being an All-Star. Some people are actually debating whether he deserves to be a starter and whether he is in All-NBA contention (for the record I think he currently falls short of both of those). Agreed that RealGM seems to be a bit of an outlier in that respect.

The majority of people are ranking all-stars based on obvious box score numbers, so this isn't something where the majority opinion is the correct or smart one. I don't get what kind of argument this is.

Cade very clearly has an all-star case. Anyone putting up 24-7-10 is going to get heavy consideration. These numbers are coming in the context of super heavy usage on a losing team, so of course there's going to be scrutiny from anyone who wonders "how good is Cade really?"

The East does have a deep guard pool with Mitchell, White, Lillard, Garland all as very good guards on very good teams. Cade and Trae are both trying to crack into that and have really good cases. It's a worthwhile question if Cade's counting stats will carry the day.

The Brunson Burner continues to be slept on

He is one of the top 2…maybe 1.

[breezypeezy]

Cade gains a Player of the Week award

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/awards/by-type/Player-Of-The-Week/30

I believe he gets that last AS slot, subbing for an injury scratch.

We shall see.

[Wallace_Wallace]

I wouldn't be mad if he's not an all-star this year. Still hoping he turns into a Brandon Roy type player for us. Last night, he went to straight to KD in the post as well as making a clutch 3 over his long stretched arms. I am very to happy to see how much he's improving. Gotta keep his turnovers low, but he should get better as he plays with more and more maturity on the court.


Ivey, Duren & Thompson (stay healthy please!) will grow alongside as well, happy to see our solid rebuild from Detroit.

[MrBigShot]

I wouldn't be mad if he's not an all-star this year. Still hoping he turns into a Brandon Roy type player for us. Last night, he went to straight to KD in the post as well as making a clutch 3 over his long stretched arms. I am very to happy to see how much he's improving. Gotta keep his turnovers low, but he should get better as he plays with more and more maturity on the court.


Ivey, Duren & Thompson (stay healthy please!) will grow alongside as well, happy to see our solid rebuild from Detroit.

3-4 weeks ago I feel like he was on the borderline, but he's gotten progressively better as the season has gone on, and we are 2 wins shy of last season with 50+ games left to go.

To me, he should be a lock. Every opposing teams defense is centered around stopping Cade. Compare him to the other guards who are likely all stars in the east in Mitchell, Garland, Brunson, Lillard, and Brown...not a single one of them gets as much defensive attention or has as much responsibility/load to carry.

[TroubleS0me]

He deserve it all - like Kendrick Lamar said.

[JackTalkThai]

Cade in December:

25.7 PPG
6.3 RPG
11.2 APG

The ONLY player in the NBA this month averaging 25+ PPG & 10+ APG.

[tsherkin]

Cade in December:

25.7 PPG
6.3 RPG
11.2 APG

The ONLY player in the NBA this month averaging 25+ PPG & 10+ APG.

It's a good month. The playmaking, especially.

Things of note. 56.4% TS ( -1.0% rTS), shooting 51.3% inside the arc (hasn't cleared 48.7% on a season yet, though that isn't an unreasonable jump). Has shot 50% or better from 3 in 3 of the 9 games, which is heavily influencing things. And just had an 11/12 FT game, which is also influencing things.

So a lot of what we've been seeing from him, with some hot shooting from 3. But definitely a nice little run so far.

[tmorgan]

Biggest difference I’ve seen this year is on defense. Trying harder, better prepared.

Assists are up because we have more shooters. Beasley has been nuts.

[Han Solo]

Cade should be a * starter. After they beat the Nuggets tonight in Denver, maybe Cade can get his due.

[ValvPiti]

Cade in December:

25.7 PPG
6.3 RPG
11.2 APG

The ONLY player in the NBA this month averaging 25+ PPG & 10+ APG.

It's a good month. The playmaking, especially.

Things of note. 56.4% TS ( -1.0% rTS), shooting 51.3% inside the arc (hasn't cleared 48.7% on a season yet, though that isn't an unreasonable jump). Has shot 50% or better from 3 in 3 of the 9 games, which is heavily influencing things. And just had an 11/12 FT game, which is also influencing things.

So a lot of what we've been seeing from him, with some hot shooting from 3. But definitely a nice little run so far.

And the bad shooting games influence TS% in a negative direction. Thats how TS% works. Rocket science right there.

[tsherkin]

Cade should be a * starter. After they beat the Nuggets tonight in Denver, maybe Cade can get his due.

Who would you propose he start over? From the East, it surely wouldn't be Garland or Mitchell, nor Lillard. That leaves him competing with Herro, Brown and Maxey. And one game doesn't really tell much of anything, so the Denver game isn't even really worth mentioning in this context (albeit surely being a nice performance).

[Chanel Bomber]

These are honestly the worst types of post on this forum. Just admit you haven't watched him and don't wade into the debate with a few niche advanced stats that you think are going to trump all of the other data/eye test.

Just some pertinent Data. Not really niche. They are the most respected impact metrics.
I think the worst posts are those that are needlessly negative and make assumptions about other posters.

LEBRON and EPM are commonly quoted on this board so could be assumed to be widely known, but the majority of NBA fans would have no idea what you're talking about i.e. niche. They do have their role in player analysis but also have their flaws, like any metric. So they should be complementary to the other data, and using them as the primary basis to rank players and base a definitive opinion off is somewhat disingenuous.

These are currently among the best holistic, comprehensive metrics to measure overall impact on winning. Yes there are other more traditional statistics but they are much more narrow in what they aim to measure so they are much more prone to arbitrary cherry-picking and also they fail to integrate off-ball play and defense as they only capture statistical outputs.

Advanced impact metrics were the first to suggest that Jokic was actually solid on defense and that thereby he could be a championship-winning center, against common (and ultimately false) assumptions.

Just because the large majority of fans are ignorant to these metrics doesn't diminish in any way their relevance.

[brackdan70]

Cade should be a * starter. After they beat the Nuggets tonight in Denver, maybe Cade can get his due.

Who would you propose he start over? From the East, it surely wouldn't be Garland or Mitchell, nor Lillard. That leaves him competing with Herro, Brown and Maxey. And one game doesn't really tell much of anything, so the Denver game isn't even really worth mentioning in this context (albeit surely being a nice performance).

And Brunson and White.

[breezypeezy]

I think he's a season or two away from his peak and a AS starter, but i'd advocate for the last sub spot to him.
Reality is theres any one of 4 or 5 capable good guards that you could slot in that are productive as well.

That said, with Cade, your witnessing the rise of a guy whose getting to be more and more of a weapon. Hes never had an inch of spacing until just recently and hes very nearly in triple double averages. Hes only getting better from here as his teams roster continues to improve.
This is still his floor.
And guys like Durant, Lebron and Banchero have all gave interviews of how much they recognize and respect.
Cade is the future and his peers see it.

[tsherkin]

Cade should be a * starter. After they beat the Nuggets tonight in Denver, maybe Cade can get his due.

Who would you propose he start over? From the East, it surely wouldn't be Garland or Mitchell, nor Lillard. That leaves him competing with Herro, Brown and Maxey. And one game doesn't really tell much of anything, so the Denver game isn't even really worth mentioning in this context (albeit surely being a nice performance).

And Brunson and White.

I can't imagine how I forgot Brunson, Jesus... White, I'd leave with Herro and the others as debatable, but yeah, he's quite good as well.