It might actually be time to get rid of the three point line

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Re: It might actually be time to get rid of the three point line 

Post#101 » by MartyConlonJr » Tue Jan 7, 2025 12:31 pm

K N U C K L E S wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:I think in the past, it seemed like it might be unfair to players in terms of all time statistics, to lop off a shot that inflates your ppg, but if you now look at how inflated game scores are becoming, getting rid of the three point line altogether would only make final scores lower to a point that is not that dissimilar to late 90's or early 00's or so.

The lowest scoring team this year is Orlando, they score 105.6 and make 11.4 threes, so in theory would score 95.2 ppg as a team. Charlotte score 105.8 but make 14.3 threes, and would be 91.5 ppg without threes. Basically teams would be scoring somewhere between 91.5 ppg and 105 ppg which is not way less than teams were scoring a 10-15 years ago, and that is assuming they just played exactly the same way they do now, instead of taking higher percentage mid range shots or focusing on a more spread out offense, that would likely offset some of it.

In fact by doing it now, with the age of analytics and spike in scoring really just happening in the last few years, rather than doing it 10 years from now, would stop players from having career long stat inflation that is harder to roll back from.
I've been wanting somebody to calculate what today's teams' scoring average would be with previous era's 3 point scoring rates! :D What is your formula?


My formula was simple - what if all threes were just twos? You just take the teams ppg, and minus the teams 3pt shots made per game. E.g. if they make 11.3 3 pointers per game, that is 33.9 points (3 x 11.3), and I want those considered as 2 pointers (2 x 11.3 = 22.6), so you simply minus the number of three pointers (11.3) from their ppg.

I think you are looking at something far more complex though.
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Re: It might actually be time to get rid of the three point line 

Post#102 » by K N U C K L E S » Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:44 am

MartyConlonJr wrote:
K N U C K L E S wrote:
MartyConlonJr wrote:I think in the past, it seemed like it might be unfair to players in terms of all time statistics, to lop off a shot that inflates your ppg, but if you now look at how inflated game scores are becoming, getting rid of the three point line altogether would only make final scores lower to a point that is not that dissimilar to late 90's or early 00's or so.

The lowest scoring team this year is Orlando, they score 105.6 and make 11.4 threes, so in theory would score 95.2 ppg as a team. Charlotte score 105.8 but make 14.3 threes, and would be 91.5 ppg without threes. Basically teams would be scoring somewhere between 91.5 ppg and 105 ppg which is not way less than teams were scoring a 10-15 years ago, and that is assuming they just played exactly the same way they do now, instead of taking higher percentage mid range shots or focusing on a more spread out offense, that would likely offset some of it.

In fact by doing it now, with the age of analytics and spike in scoring really just happening in the last few years, rather than doing it 10 years from now, would stop players from having career long stat inflation that is harder to roll back from.
I've been wanting somebody to calculate what today's teams' scoring average would be with previous era's 3 point scoring rates! :D What is your formula?


My formula was simple - what if all threes were just twos? You just take the teams ppg, and minus the teams 3pt shots made per game. E.g. if they make 11.3 3 pointers per game, that is 33.9 points (3 x 11.3), and I want those considered as 2 pointers (2 x 11.3 = 22.6), so you simply minus the number of three pointers (11.3) from their ppg.

I think you are looking at something far more complex though.
Well, yeah. But since teams attempted so few threes in the 80's and the 90's, what you did would be close enough.
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Re: It might actually be time to get rid of the three point line 

Post#103 » by Optms » Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:28 pm

Simple fix

1. Can the freedom of movement rule
2. Can the in the paint violations
3. Hand checking

Basically, Make Defense Great Again.
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Re: It might actually be time to get rid of the three point line 

Post#104 » by K N U C K L E S » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:16 pm

Optms wrote:1. Can the freedom of movement rule

What is that? :-?
Optms wrote:2. Can the in the paint violations
You mean 3 seconds and illegal defense?
Optms wrote:Basically, Make Defense Great Again.
I definitely agree with that. But how far do you wanna go? Like the late 90's early 00's? I really miss those Heat/Knicks games. But all the current anti-defense rules were put in place specifically to stop those 92-87 final scores from being commonplace like they were back then. I have the intellect to be entertained by defense, but most people apparently don't. Either that, or the powers-that-be that rule the leagues are mis-reading the ratings crosstabs that say offense is way more entertaining than defense.
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Re: It might actually be time to get rid of the three point line 

Post#105 » by Hoop Hunter » Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:10 pm

WarriorGM wrote:Gambling is going to be a bigger problem than the increase in 3s. If there is something to get rid of start with that.

I don't like it either, but that Genie is never going back in the bottle.
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Re: It might actually be time to get rid of the three point line 

Post#106 » by SmashMouthRod » Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:29 pm

I think analytics is why organizations are encouraging more players/teams to get up more threes. The problem is all three point shots arent equal. Steph putting up 10 threes isnt the same as Taurean Prince getting up 10 threes. Teams with with lesser shooting talent are making the product unwatchable. To fix it; they have to allow more physical defense. Maybe reinstate hand-checking defense to make players have to work harder to get the shots up.

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