Foul baiting: Do you have a problem with this play?

[DrModesty]

Bockerstaff had every right to be angry when his team was the victim of the worst officiating I have witnessed this season. The Ref's gifted the Thunder that game. Just about every drive Cade made he was fouled and most were not called yet SGA was able to get calls sometimes without even being touched. It sure appears the NBA definitely has an agenda. That is all on Silver and his goon refs..

Tonight Shai shot 10 free throws.

5 were free throws off techs because the Pistons got themselves on the ref's bad side. 2 were an intentional foul at the end of the game. He got 2 free throws on a drive where Holland hooked his arm around Shai's. He got a 1 on an And1 where Ausar put his arm out in front of him as he was driving.

So he got free throws twice while shooting 26 times.

The issue is when the opposition drives, OKC can be more physical and gets away with more contact.

SGA does flop, but he also gets fouled a lot. The problem is down the other end when refs don’t call the same fouls.

There are calls that gets missed for sure. But it is also being heavily exaggerated because people have worked themselves up in to a tizzy about it. There is a lot of confirmation bias with OKC right now.

[Alatan]

As most agreed this is a foul under current rules. But its not why people dislike SGA. There are real baiting and flopping attempts by him in every game while he himself frequently pushes off defenders. And his team plays a really physicals brand of defense (witch i love) but then he flops on the other side witch by contrast makes it even worse.

Hand checking should be allowed and pushoffs should be called as offensive fouls. Slight body contact under the rim should not be called, players jumping into defenders should not be called. Its time to make players earn their points. This has become ridiculous.

[ryan in Maine]

I've got a problem with a lot of SGA plays, but that isn't one of them. JB is very strong for a wing and, while i don't really have a problem with that level of contact myself, SGA is small enough to be significantly impeded by it. JB's arms wear the same size pants as SGA's ass.

[orlando_joe]

the problem is every player does not get that call or even every team

[DB23]

I do wonder if this will harm him come playoff time when refs tend to swallow their whistle.

Reminds me of harden flailing for calls only to turn it over in crucial situations. Dangerous game to play when you are playing deep in the playoffs.

[slick_watts]

I do wonder if this will harm him come playoff time when refs tend to swallow their whistle.

Reminds me of harden flailing for calls only to turn it over in crucial situations. Dangerous game to play when you are playing deep in the playoffs.

lol. shai has the best eFG% this year of any high usage guard in the nba. higher than kyrie, mitchell, tatum, curry, edwards, luka. by a lot, too. and way higher than any harden season in houston. he's closer to giannis and kd than most of those guys. the harden comparison is idiotic and lazy.

[DB23]

I do wonder if this will harm him come playoff time when refs tend to swallow their whistle.

Reminds me of harden flailing for calls only to turn it over in crucial situations. Dangerous game to play when you are playing deep in the playoffs.

lol. shai has the best eFG% this year of any high usage guard in the nba. higher than kyrie, mitchell, tatum, curry, edwards, luka. by a lot, too. and way higher than any harden season in houston. he's closer to giannis and kd than most of those guys. the harden comparison is idiotic and lazy.

Your reading comprehension is lazy and idiotic.

I clearly said his flailing which remains true. He’s a great player but a foul baiter. He also hasn’t proven Anything in the playoffs yet so I wouldn’t get ahead of your skis.

[slick_watts]

I do wonder if this will harm him come playoff time when refs tend to swallow their whistle.

Reminds me of harden flailing for calls only to turn it over in crucial situations. Dangerous game to play when you are playing deep in the playoffs.

lol. shai has the best eFG% this year of any high usage guard in the nba. higher than kyrie, mitchell, tatum, curry, edwards, luka. by a lot, too. and way higher than any harden season in houston. he's closer to giannis and kd than most of those guys. the harden comparison is idiotic and lazy.

Your reading comprehension is lazy and idiotic.

I clearly said his flailing which remains true. He’s a great player but a foul baiter. He also hasn’t proven Anything in the playoffs yet so I wouldn’t get ahead of your skis.

my comprehension is fine, you're making a hand-wavey, superficial comparison to houston harden- a player shai has little to nothing in common with. oh no! shai flops sometimes. no one has ever won a championship with a player who flops.

[DB23]

lol. shai has the best eFG% this year of any high usage guard in the nba. higher than kyrie, mitchell, tatum, curry, edwards, luka. by a lot, too. and way higher than any harden season in houston. he's closer to giannis and kd than most of those guys. the harden comparison is idiotic and lazy.

Your reading comprehension is lazy and idiotic.

I clearly said his flailing which remains true. He’s a great player but a foul baiter. He also hasn’t proven Anything in the playoffs yet so I wouldn’t get ahead of your skis.

my comprehension is fine, you're making a hand-wavey, superficial comparison to houston harden- a player shai has little to nothing in common with. oh no! shai flops sometimes. no one has ever won a championship with a player who flops.

Yep, I’m comparing Shai’s foul baiting to the likes of harden, cp3, trae young. I like him as a player, but that’s painful to watch.

We’ll have to disagree on your comprehension skills. The entire point of the thread is foul baiting but you’re trying to make it something it’s not.

[sikma42]

I watch a ton of basketball. SGA and Tatum have just made it unwatchable for me. Besides following Wemby I just have no desire to watch this. The way we officiate defense is broken. Maybe it gets better in the playoffs but for now I’m out.

You can essentially displace or standup defenders for a forearm shiver. But that same forearm shiver is almost never a foul. It’s a cheat code for an open jump shot for Tatum or SGA. It should be an offensive foul every time and then it would totally change the watch defenders are allowed to operate.

Right now, honestly if you have quick hands the best way to deal with it is to try to grab the forearm as it makes contact with your chest. Do this with every grab or push and force the refs to make calls. The rules should don’t allow for forward shivers to the chest.

If they cite some interpretation then it needs to be linked back to the actual rules and addressed.


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interesting breakdown:

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[Mavrelous]

Here is a strong center, hand checking Luka all the way on the drive, he pulls up for a floater, and doesn't get the call.
To claim that what Brown did is technically a foul may be true, but it isn't regarded as one for other players

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[Ainosterhaspie]

As most agreed this is a foul under current rules. But its not why people dislike SGA. There are real baiting and flopping attempts by him in every game while he himself frequently pushes off defenders. And his team plays a really physicals brand of defense (witch i love) but then he flops on the other side witch by contrast makes it even worse.

Hand checking should be allowed and pushoffs should be called as offensive fouls. Slight body contact under the rim should not be called, players jumping into defenders should not be called. Its time to make players earn their points. This has become ridiculous.

Why should defenders be allowed to push but offensive players not be. Pushing, grabbing and holding isn't supposed to be part of basketball, but if we're going to allow it, allow it both ways.

[liquidswords]

Here is a strong center, hand checking Luka all the way on the drive, he pulls up for a floater, and doesn't get the call.
To claim that what Brown did is technically a foul may be true, but it isn't regarded as one for other players

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No way is that comparable to OP - Brown was riding SGA with hand check. IH was touch and go only twice.

Anyways...I'm not someone who posts video clips when they post but to me Austin Reaves is the preeminent foul baiter in the league now. Not only does he have all the tricks SGA has but he's manipulative with his lower body. He almost double pumps his jumps/gathers in order to make it look like there is excessive contact. Its incredible that the league hasn't noticed.