2025 Summer League: Salt Lake City & California Classic, July 5-8

djsunyc · Post #101 » by **djsunyc** » Sun Jul 6, 2025 5:11 pm

dude's name is phlandrous?

stitches · Post #102 » by **stitches** » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:33 pm

Ace has his areas where he definitely needs improvement but I feel like the narrative that he's not a winning player and using his college team success or single game on-off numbers as evidence is going to be one that's going to bug me until he actually starts winning(which might take a while).... until then... here's his on/off stats from college:

Post #103 » by **bisme37** » Sun Jul 6, 2025 7:57 pm

VanWest82 wrote:Is Harper playing today? Why didn't he play the other day?

He has a groin injury per the Spurs. Not sure if he plays today or not.

djsunyc · Post #104 » by **djsunyc** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 12:00 am

aint nobody watching today lol

Post #105 » by **G R E Y** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 1:28 am

I watched. Watched us win. Yay!

azcatz11 · Post #106 » by **azcatz11** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 2:07 am

djsunyc wrote:aint nobody watching today lol

Yeah I tried and it’s just bad. I’ll give Vegas a shot but this California version is low budget all around and not watchable imo

FarBeyondDriven · Post #107 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 2:10 am

bisme37 wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:Is Harper playing today? Why didn't he play the other day?

He has a groin injury per the Spurs. Not sure if he plays today or not.

sure he does. He thinks he's too good for SL. Not a good look

Chuck Everett · Post #108 » by **Chuck Everett** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:16 am

I didn't like Kasparas at all because what good is a point guard who isn't an elite shooter, but also can't get to the basket in the NBA? I'm not saying he can't improve, but his passing talent is negated if he can't actually get anywhere on the floor.

JimmyPlopper · Post #109 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:21 am

Chuck Everett wrote:I didn't like Kasparas at all because what good is a point guard who isn't an elite shooter, but also can't get to the basket in the NBA? I'm not saying he can't improve, but his passing talent is negated if he can't actually get anywhere on the floor.

I feel like his position should change in the NBA. He could be a good passing wing player and keep working on his shooting.

Chuck Everett · Post #110 » by **Chuck Everett** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:22 am

JimmyPlopper wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:I didn't like Kasparas at all because what good is a point guard who isn't an elite shooter, but also can't get to the basket in the NBA? I'm not saying he can't improve, but his passing talent is negated if he can't actually get anywhere on the floor.

I feel like his position should change in the NBA. He could be a good passing wing player and keep working on his shooting.

You may be right. He may have to become a SG. I just don't know who's going to give him the keys like that. This is not a Ricky Rubio type prospect or even Giddey.

JimmyPlopper · Post #111 » by **JimmyPlopper** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:25 am

Chuck Everett wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:I didn't like Kasparas at all because what good is a point guard who isn't an elite shooter, but also can't get to the basket in the NBA? I'm not saying he can't improve, but his passing talent is negated if he can't actually get anywhere on the floor.

I feel like his position should change in the NBA. He could be a good passing wing player and keep working on his shooting.

You may be right. He may have to become a SG. I just don't know who's going to give him the keys like that. This is not a Ricky Rubio type prospect or even Giddey.

Fair point. In some situations, he would fit alongside a scoring-centric point guard like Quickley or Maxey. Although in both situations they would be lacking on defense - which is another area he can improve on.

RSP83 · Post #112 » by **RSP83** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 7:04 am

RSP83 wrote:
Catchall wrote:I was at the games tonight in Salt Lake City. In the 2nd half, I could see Ace Bailey was exhausted. He could barely keep his feet under him and was bending over and gasping for air every chance he got. He was good in the 1st quarter, but he's not ready for NBA speed and intensity, especially at Utah's elevation. I'm guessing he didn't workout too hard before the draft. The Jazz are going to need to build him up all summer.

By contrast, VJ Edgecombe looked like he could play all day. His energy level never dropped. He doesn't have an advanced handle, but if the Sixers can space the floor well enough for him he'll get by defenders. His playstyle reminds me a bit of Larry Hughes, using his athleticism to get a step and then rising up in the mid-range. I still think he's probably a team's third option, but maybe he can be a #2 option. He'll be really good cutting off the ball and letting other players create time and space for him to keep things simple. He's difficult to stay in front of, and once he gets a step he's gone. If he becomes a really reliable shooter, it's over. He'll be close to unguardable.

Edgecombe has always been my darkhorse for ROY and best player to come out of this class pick. It's still summer league so don't want to get too excited yet. However the guy has superstar potential written all over him since I saw him play for the Bahamas national team.

He still has a lot of work to do as far as isolation skill goes. But I like that he's also active off the ball and on defense. I disagree with the Hughes comparison. Hughes was more of a ball dominant guard that gambles a lot on defense. They have different skill base. I think VJ's raw game is based on athleticism. VJ reminds me more of Jason Richardson type but VJ is smaller but a bit more skilled at the same age and more fluid. JRich was never able to develop an isolation game, I think VJ can develop a more advanced isolation game. But I hope he doesn't become a full-time iso guy because his off the ball instinct is really good. He can be more impactful being able to play both ways with and without the ball. It's especially useful playing alongside Embiid and Maxey.

Edgecombe also reminds me a bit of rookie Andrew Wiggins. Clearly talented, especially athletically, but still pretty raw. But the parallel I see between them is that both have ready quality to be a role player from day 1. Wiggins develops into an elite role player in GSW, but never really develop into the leading player we thought he'd become. Edgecombe can have similar case.

UcanUwill · Post #113 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 7:13 am

Chuck Everett wrote:I didn't like Kasparas at all because what good is a point guard who isn't an elite shooter, but also can't get to the basket in the NBA? I'm not saying he can't improve, but his passing talent is negated if he can't actually get anywhere on the floor.

Sadly, my all pessimistic prognoses seems to be correct. Guy left Barca, dominated college kids for two months, and America bought the hype

I said what De Larea did last season was more impressive anyway, and that guy is on no ones radar, guy might suit up for Spain already at age 19.

Catchall · Post #114 » by **Catchall** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 7:36 am

Walter Clayton looked pretty good in his debut.

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MemphisX · Post #115 » by **MemphisX** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 12:08 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:I didn't like Kasparas at all because what good is a point guard who isn't an elite shooter, but also can't get to the basket in the NBA? I'm not saying he can't improve, but his passing talent is negated if he can't actually get anywhere on the floor.

Sadly, my all pessimistic prognoses seems to be correct. Guy left Barca, dominated college kids for two months, and America bought the hype I said what De Larea did last season was more impressive anyway, and that guy is on no ones radar, guy might suit up for Spain already at age 19.

Man, I watched De Larea for just a little bit and could not understand why he was not projected to go into the lottery. He looks like a NBA player.

Sixers in 4 · Post #116 » by **Sixers in 4** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 1:23 pm

stitches wrote:Ace has his areas where he definitely needs improvement but I feel like the narrative that he's not a winning player and using his college team success or single game on-off numbers as evidence is going to be one that's going to bug me until he actually starts winning(which might take a while).... until then... here's his on/off stats from college:

In any case, I believed and still do that Ace will be a more polished player during his rookie season, but I have serious concerns about his mentality and potential for growth. When someone enters the league believing they are all that and their game needs a lot of work, after seeing Ben, Fultz, and these headcases drafted by the Sixers, it's a clear warning sign for me to not want the Sixers to have to do anything to do with that prospect. I mean, it's hard enough for teams to develop these players as basketball players without also having to worry about their personalities and approach to the game too.

At the end of the day, I am a big believer that the mental makeup of these guys matters and that you should be projecting where these guys are five years from now instead of where they were when they were drafted.

Post #117 » by **bisme37** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 3:54 pm

TimDunkin · Post #118 » by **TimDunkin** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:16 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
bisme37 wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:Is Harper playing today? Why didn't he play the other day?

He has a groin injury per the Spurs. Not sure if he plays today or not.

sure he does. He thinks he's too good for SL. Not a good look

Kinda wild to assume an injury is fake, make up a reason why someone's not playing, then say it's a bad look he's refusing to play for the made up reason. Spurs are optimistic he plays in the Vegas summer league, but they announced he was out for all of the California Classic games like a week ago. I'd expect him to play 2 games and then get shut down just like we did with Wemby and Castle.

Handlez · Post #119 » by **Handlez** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:43 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:I didn't like Kasparas at all because what good is a point guard who isn't an elite shooter, but also can't get to the basket in the NBA? I'm not saying he can't improve, but his passing talent is negated if he can't actually get anywhere on the floor.

Sadly, my all pessimistic prognoses seems to be correct. Guy left Barca, dominated college kids for two months, and America bought the hype I said what De Larea did last season was more impressive anyway, and that guy is on no ones radar, guy might suit up for Spain already at age 19.

Dominated college kids? Lol no.

Dude averaged 4.7 assists and 3.7 turnovers. Shot 31.8 from 3. Lost in 2nd round of tourney while having 2 assists, 6 turnovers, and 2/9 from 3.

UcanUwill · Post #120 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:54 pm

Handlez wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:I didn't like Kasparas at all because what good is a point guard who isn't an elite shooter, but also can't get to the basket in the NBA? I'm not saying he can't improve, but his passing talent is negated if he can't actually get anywhere on the floor.

Sadly, my all pessimistic prognoses seems to be correct. Guy left Barca, dominated college kids for two months, and America bought the hype I said what De Larea did last season was more impressive anyway, and that guy is on no ones radar, guy might suit up for Spain already at age 19.

Dominated college kids? Lol no.

Dude averaged 4.7 assists and 3.7 turnovers. Shot 31.8 from 3. Lost in 2nd round of tourney while having 2 assists, 6 turnovers, and 2/9 from 3.

Well, I said two months, meaning first two months of the season, where everyone told me he was very good. Fact that overall he wasn't even that good in college makes his hype even worse, a lot of people had him in a lottery, why?

Whelp, Serbian guy looks very good and Lithuanian guy looks like a bust, thats just great...