Shams: Knicks the Only Team Giannis Desires to Play For Outside of Milwaukee; Both Teams Discussed Potential Trade

[Bologna Smasher]

If this is true, then the Bucks would be wise to stay ahead of all of this.

Unless Porter Jr. somehow turns into James Harden or becomes an all-star caliber player, that Bucks team isn't going go anywhere unless Giannis pulls an all-time carry job. They don't really have the pieces to bring in any other stars. Other teams will also start setting themselves up to become an attractive destination to Giannis.

Unless Giannis decides to remain loyal regardless of team performance, him leaving in one form or the other is pretty much inevitable. The Bucks aren't in any sort of position to accept a lowball offer simply because he wants to go to a specific team and they wish to honor it.

[RHODEY]

Bogdan - come on. Don’t be spelling bee nutcase.

OG or Bridges are better players but don’t make up for the 1sts Clippers actually have.

2 crappy firsts dont make up for those trash vets and that team. And that old ass starting 5 will be playing bingo at the rec center by allstar break

Crappy 1sts when they don’t fit your narrative. Of course. Typical.

The truth fits my narrative.....lets talk facts:


2026: 1st will go to either OKC or PHI; 2nd can be swapped to MEM

2027: 1st can be swapped to OKC; 2nd will go to ATL

2028: 1st will go to PHI; 2nd will go to CHA or DET

2029: 1st can be swapped to PHI; 2nd will go to SAS

Clippers have first rounders 2027, and 2029, but in 2027 OKC (and PHI in 2029) can swap their own 1st for the LAC pick.



So please tell me what your narrative is regarding those 2 picks?

[Wolveswin]

2 crappy firsts dont make up for those trash vets and that team. And that old ass starting 5 will be playing bingo at the rec center by allstar break

Crappy 1sts when they don’t fit your narrative. Of course. Typical.

The truth fits my narrative.....lets talk facts:


2026: 1st will go to either OKC or PHI; 2nd can be swapped to MEM

2027: 1st can be swapped to OKC; 2nd will go to ATL

2028: 1st will go to PHI; 2nd will go to CHA or DET

2029: 1st can be swapped to PHI; 2nd will go to SAS

Clippers have first rounders 2027, and 2029, but in 2027 OKC (and PHI in 2029) can swap their own 1st for the LAC pick.



So please tell me what your narrative is regarding those 2 picks?

Huh? What are you trying to say? If it is you don’t think Clippers have two 1sts to trade that is just lol.

[Wolveswin]

Not that I think the offer that was presented by the Knicks is a good one, but that Clippers offer is terrible. OG or Bridges is far more valuable than any of those players you mentioned. Also, Brogdon isn’t on the Clippers.

Bogdan - come on. Don’t be spelling bee nutcase.

OG or Bridges are better players but don’t make up for the 1sts Clippers actually have.

TBH, I forgot Bogdan was even on the Clippers

OG and Bridges could be flipped for a ton more than whatever players/picks the Clippers have on their roster outside of Harden/Kawhi.

Bucks can’t do that because they have to keep winning now. That being trade win-now OG or Bridges.

Don’t lose the point…if Knicks are offering only OG or Bridges and Hart, and since Knicks don’t have any picks, other win now teams beat that offer. Lakers, Clippers, Warriors to name some…who have win-now players AND picks to offer.

Giannis has two years to offer acquiring team plus the chance to win him over and stay.

[pepe1991]

Goes without saying that his season with current Bucks roster will be waste of another prime year. And it's not like they can get much better going forward.

if Nets didn't pile up draft haul worth of nothing but PGs, Bucks would be team with worst guard rotation in nba.

People love to romanticize about prospect of staying with same team entire career, and bring always same names. Dirk, Kobe, Duncan.
Truth is, from age of 22- 32 Dirk never played on a bad team, matter of fact his teams never won less than 50 games.

Kobe never left, but for damn sure considered in 2004 and 2007. Even requested trade i believe.

Tim Duncan stayed with Spurs because those teams were always great.

Bucks have nothing. It's him and now Turner. Third best player plays same position as them and i highly doubt they can ever play all 3 together. Rest of roster would struggle to be starter anywhere else. Matter of fact rest of a roster is made out players who other teams rejected, some of them by multiple teams.

It's not all Bucks fault, but big portion of it simply is. They held onto declining roster for ages and once they made "splash " move, it was complete disaster as they still didn't get any younger. By the time Middelton was traded for freaking Kuzma, their last hope for title was flushed to toilet.
Instead of being proactive about spinning wheel and keeping roster fresh, hungry & somewhat young, they got worst and worst every year since they won.

[jscott]

Nope just one starter MAX and likely not KAT. Because remember the Knicks don't need Gianiss, but Giannis only wants New York. So it comes down to the Bucks risking losing him for nothing or take what the Knicks give them.

My proposal would be something like Bridges or OG and Josh Hart and change (Kolek and or Dadiet + whatever picks we have) for him. We dont want their trash like Kuzma. If they don't like that they can settle for ZERO in return. other teams will NOT offer more than that for a 1 year rental.

I think you’re over reacting to a Shams article that basically says/confirms nothing.

No I wouldnt say that, we are Gucci as is. But its nice to know haters are even more worried than they let on.

I certainly don’t hate the Knicks. You’re just delusional.

OKC, who isn’t far from my team, is in a much better position to acquire Giannis as they are a better team than the Knicks and have far more assets to offer.

[knicksfan974]

I think you’re over reacting to a Shams article that basically says/confirms nothing.

No I wouldnt say that, we are Gucci as is. But its nice to know haters are even more worried than they let on.

I certainly don’t hate the Knicks. You’re just delusional.

OKC, who isn’t far from my team, is in a much better position to acquire Giannis as they are a better team than the Knicks and have far more assets to offer.

Might be true about OKC, but if Giannis does not want to go to another small-market team and demands a trade specifically to the Knicks, is it so far-fetched to think that the Bucks will want to accomodate their superstar, who brought them the championship, by making sure he gets his wish?

[SK21209]

It doesn’t matter what team out there has the most assets. If Giannis says he’s not signing another extension and is opting out in 2027, the Bucks don’t really have a choice but to trade him to somewhere he wants to go. So Giannis gets to call his shot, or at least give them like 3 teams he’d sign an extension with. I seriously doubt OKC is going to be on that list.

If the Knicks and Bucks actually talked about a trade for a second this summer, I mean how could you not say they’re the most likely destination (other than him just staying in Milwaukee, which I still think is most likely).

[Froob]

Don’t see how this is remotely plausible unless Bucks love KAT for some reason, or somebody else does and will do a 3 way deal

[Bad Bart]

Goes without saying that his season with current Bucks roster will be waste of another prime year. And it's not like they can get much better going forward.

if Nets didn't pile up draft haul worth of nothing but PGs, Bucks would be team with worst guard rotation in nba.

People love to romanticize about prospect of staying with same team entire career, and bring always same names. Dirk, Kobe, Duncan.
Truth is, from age of 22- 32 Dirk never played on a bad team, matter of fact his teams never won less than 50 games.

Kobe never left, but for damn sure considered in 2004 and 2007. Even requested trade i believe.

Tim Duncan stayed with Spurs because those teams were always great.

Bucks have nothing. It's him and now Turner. Third best player plays same position as them and i highly doubt they can ever play all 3 together. Rest of roster would struggle to be starter anywhere else. Matter of fact rest of a roster is made out players who other teams rejected, some of them by multiple teams.

It's not all Bucks fault, but big portion of it simply is. They held onto declining roster for ages and once they made "splash " move, it was complete disaster as they still didn't get any younger. By the time Middelton was traded for freaking Kuzma, their last hope for title was flushed to toilet.
Instead of being proactive about spinning wheel and keeping roster fresh, hungry & somewhat young, they got worst and worst every year since they won.

Just one point, Duncan was gone to the Magic until Doc Rivers told him he would not be allowed to have his family on the team plane.

[brackdan70]

Crappy 1sts when they don’t fit your narrative. Of course. Typical.

The truth fits my narrative.....lets talk facts:


2026: 1st will go to either OKC or PHI; 2nd can be swapped to MEM

2027: 1st can be swapped to OKC; 2nd will go to ATL

2028: 1st will go to PHI; 2nd will go to CHA or DET

2029: 1st can be swapped to PHI; 2nd will go to SAS

Clippers have first rounders 2027, and 2029, but in 2027 OKC (and PHI in 2029) can swap their own 1st for the LAC pick.



So please tell me what your narrative is regarding those 2 picks?

Huh? What are you trying to say? If it is you don’t think Clippers have two 1sts to trade that is just lol.

Isn’t there still a rule that you can’t trade picks in consecutive years (unless you possess another pick for one of those years). Teams must retain a pick in every other year.
If I am remembering that right then the clippers can’t trade the 2027 pick until the 2027 draft and can’t trade the 2029 pick until 2029 draft.
And of course those picks are still subject to the swap rights.
Am I off on that?

[Wolveswin]

The truth fits my narrative.....lets talk facts:


2026: 1st will go to either OKC or PHI; 2nd can be swapped to MEM

2027: 1st can be swapped to OKC; 2nd will go to ATL

2028: 1st will go to PHI; 2nd will go to CHA or DET

2029: 1st can be swapped to PHI; 2nd will go to SAS

Clippers have first rounders 2027, and 2029, but in 2027 OKC (and PHI in 2029) can swap their own 1st for the LAC pick.



So please tell me what your narrative is regarding those 2 picks?

Huh? What are you trying to say? If it is you don’t think Clippers have two 1sts to trade that is just lol.

Isn’t there still a rule that you can’t trade picks in consecutive years (unless you possess another pick for one of those years). Teams must retain a pick in every other year.
If I am remembering that right then the clippers can’t trade the 2027 pick until the 2027 draft and can’t trade the 2029 pick until 2029 draft.
And of course those picks are still subject to the swap rights.
Am I off on that?

Yes. Why does this seem like I am getting punked. Such obvious answer. What is wrong with trading 2030? 2029 is a swap. And 2032. Nothing.

Clippers can trade 30 and 32 1sts. Plus 31 swap outright. And 29/27 swaps after other teams get dibs.

As mentioned in this Giannis scenario, those are sexy 1sts. They are after years immediately following Giannis acquisition, after when he is flight risk to NY, and well after Kawhi/Harden will age out.

[RHODEY]

Crappy 1sts when they don’t fit your narrative. Of course. Typical.

The truth fits my narrative.....lets talk facts:


2026: 1st will go to either OKC or PHI; 2nd can be swapped to MEM

2027: 1st can be swapped to OKC; 2nd will go to ATL

2028: 1st will go to PHI; 2nd will go to CHA or DET

2029: 1st can be swapped to PHI; 2nd will go to SAS

Clippers have first rounders 2027, and 2029, but in 2027 OKC (and PHI in 2029) can swap their own 1st for the LAC pick.



So please tell me what your narrative is regarding those 2 picks?

Huh? What are you trying to say? If it is you don’t think Clippers have two 1sts to trade that is just lol.

Changing the argument now? Never said the CLippers didnt have 2 picks. I said they were crappy picks. My opinion is that a deal with 2 crappy picks combined with crappy players wont net you Giannis.

[RHODEY]

Huh? What are you trying to say? If it is you don’t think Clippers have two 1sts to trade that is just lol.

Isn’t there still a rule that you can’t trade picks in consecutive years (unless you possess another pick for one of those years). Teams must retain a pick in every other year.
If I am remembering that right then the clippers can’t trade the 2027 pick until the 2027 draft and can’t trade the 2029 pick until 2029 draft.
And of course those picks are still subject to the swap rights.
Am I off on that?

Yes. Why does this seem like I am getting punked. Such obvious answer. What is wrong with trading 2030? 2029 is a swap. And 2032. Nothing.

Clippers can trade 30 and 32 1sts. Plus 31 swap outright. And 29/27 swaps after other teams get dibs.

As mentioned in this Giannis scenario, those are sexy 1sts. They are after years immediately following Giannis acquisition, after when he is flight risk to NY, and well after Kawhi/Harden will age out.

Picks from 5 years to 7 years from now are sexy? When teams can offer them picks available next season? I can just imagine the bucks front office..."maybe we wont suck in seven years"

[dhsilv2]

Wait until summer when the Knicks win the championship and you see Mikal holding the trophy. All will be worth it.

Knicks have a better chance with the team they have now than gutting their team for Giannis and basically being Milwaukee with Mike Brown instead of Doc.

That to be fair is a MASSIVE upgrade.

[Wolveswin]

The truth fits my narrative.....lets talk facts:


2026: 1st will go to either OKC or PHI; 2nd can be swapped to MEM

2027: 1st can be swapped to OKC; 2nd will go to ATL

2028: 1st will go to PHI; 2nd will go to CHA or DET

2029: 1st can be swapped to PHI; 2nd will go to SAS

Clippers have first rounders 2027, and 2029, but in 2027 OKC (and PHI in 2029) can swap their own 1st for the LAC pick.



So please tell me what your narrative is regarding those 2 picks?

Huh? What are you trying to say? If it is you don’t think Clippers have two 1sts to trade that is just lol.

Changing the argument now? Never said the CLippers didnt have 2 picks. I said they were crappy picks. My opinion is that a deal with 2 crappy picks combined with crappy players wont net you Giannis.

Well you are 100% wrong about the picks being crappy. But since that doesn’t fit your narrative - have a bad take.

OG or Bridges aren’t world beaters. Arguable over paid role players. Neither would be worthy to be center of Giannis trade if it wasn’t for rumors of Giannis picking NY. Knicks not having picks to trade REALLY hamstrings efforts with Bucks. So that is why Knicks need to include more players to make up for that lack of capital.

[dhsilv2]

even if Giannis wanted to go there, they have no young talent, few picks and overpaid role players. You can trade KAT, but i dont see what Milwaukee wants with him and its difficult to get a huge package for him. This would be the Dame to Miami situation where another team offers up a better package and Giannis is kindly told to shove it.

Would have to be some kind of 3 team deal where KAT gets the knicks picks to send to the bucks plus salary. That would be a tough deal to make work.

[Wolveswin]

Isn’t there still a rule that you can’t trade picks in consecutive years (unless you possess another pick for one of those years). Teams must retain a pick in every other year.
If I am remembering that right then the clippers can’t trade the 2027 pick until the 2027 draft and can’t trade the 2029 pick until 2029 draft.
And of course those picks are still subject to the swap rights.
Am I off on that?

Yes. Why does this seem like I am getting punked. Such obvious answer. What is wrong with trading 2030? 2029 is a swap. And 2032. Nothing.

Clippers can trade 30 and 32 1sts. Plus 31 swap outright. And 29/27 swaps after other teams get dibs.

As mentioned in this Giannis scenario, those are sexy 1sts. They are after years immediately following Giannis acquisition, after when he is flight risk to NY, and well after Kawhi/Harden will age out.

Picks from 5 years to 7 years from now are sexy? When teams can offer them picks available next season? I can just imagine the bucks front office..."maybe we wont suck in seven years"

Bucks don’t desire picks next season from a team who just acquired Giannis. That by definition is crap. Anytime a team is trading a superstar, sexier picks are from when said superstar is gone or aged out. That is 101 stuff. Now you are just trying to be obtuse.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Bogdan - come on. Don’t be spelling bee nutcase.

OG or Bridges are better players but don’t make up for the 1sts Clippers actually have.

TBH, I forgot Bogdan was even on the Clippers

OG and Bridges could be flipped for a ton more than whatever players/picks the Clippers have on their roster outside of Harden/Kawhi.

Bucks can’t do that because they have to keep winning now. That being trade win-now OG or Bridges.

Don’t lose the point…if Knicks are offering only OG or Bridges and Hart, and since Knicks don’t have any picks, other win now teams beat that offer. Lakers, Clippers, Warriors to name some…who have win-now players AND picks to offer.

Giannis has two years to offer acquiring team plus the chance to win him over and stay.

The deal would be much bigger than just those players. Would probably include the Bucks shedding salary as well. But if we’re talking win now player packages, the Knicks beat out all those teams you mentioned. If it’s about picks, it’s only the Lakers and Warriors there. Continuing to include the Clippers like they don’t still owe picks because of the PG/Harden trades.

If the Knicks and Bucks were serious about the negotiations right now, Giannis would be a Knick already.

[Wolveswin]

TBH, I forgot Bogdan was even on the Clippers

OG and Bridges could be flipped for a ton more than whatever players/picks the Clippers have on their roster outside of Harden/Kawhi.

Bucks can’t do that because they have to keep winning now. That being trade win-now OG or Bridges.

Don’t lose the point…if Knicks are offering only OG or Bridges and Hart, and since Knicks don’t have any picks, other win now teams beat that offer. Lakers, Clippers, Warriors to name some…who have win-now players AND picks to offer.

Giannis has two years to offer acquiring team plus the chance to win him over and stay.

The deal would be much bigger than just those players. Would probably include the Bucks shedding salary as well. But if we’re talking win now player packages, the Knicks beat out all those teams you mentioned. If it’s about picks, it’s only the Lakers and Warriors there. Continuing to include the Clippers like they don’t still owe picks because of the PG/Harden trades.

If the Knicks and Bucks were serious about the negotiations right now, Giannis would be a Knick already.

You are jumping in mid stream. Guy is saying Knicks are only offering OG or Brodges and Hart. No Towns. No Knicks picks (because they don’t have any).

Again, if that is Knicks offer, other win now teams best that offer. Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, Heat and others I am sure. Giannis comes with two seasons control and chance to win him over to stay longer.