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Post#101 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 13, 2025 8:09 pm

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Agreed, but it's not like he was inefficient. He just took very few shots while his teammates missed a bunch. I don't think there's a legit argument that he shouldn't have taken more shots in game 7.


I agree with the general idea Jokic could have shot more. But he also had games of 7,6, 8, and 5 turnovers in that series. They were making is hard for him to get the ball and to then put the ball on the floor.

They won 2 games where he shot 29 and 25 times. They also lost games he shot 25 and 22 times. Meanwhile they won a game he took 14 (he did get 12 free throws). So sure he could do more...but he was also going against an all time level defensive team and forced 7 games when his team on paper shouldn't have gone 7.



Yeah that's fair but... In a game 7 against the champs with struggling teammates I'd much rather Jokic take a contested mid-range jumper or force the offense a bit versus hope Braun/Murray carry the team's offense.

Like you mentioned earlier, a slightly inefficient Jokic is still better than anyone on the Nuggets, he is that good.

Remaining aggressive instead of taking 9 fga also puts pressure on the OkC defense and can force fouls on key defenders.


It's hard for me to really argue with you on paper there. But it's also hard to comment on a 30+ point blowout. Like Jokic had 10 points in the 2nd quarter and lead his team in shots. But they lost it by 19. He also turned it over 3 times.

So yeah, get Jokic more shots. But his turnovers there were also part of the 39 points OKC scored that quarter. The nuggets just as a group couldn't figure out the OKC defense in game 7. They had 23 turnovers to OKC's 10. After the first quarter OKC just put on a clinic. If you want to put that on Jokic go for it. But I just don't think that was Denver's night top to bottom. You just don't win games giving up 13 more turnovers to a team that plays defense like that.
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Post#102 » by prime1time » Thu Nov 13, 2025 8:19 pm

CobraCommander wrote:give the MVP to the second best guy on earth because its a foregone conclusion Jokic is the BEST PLAYER ON EARTH BY A MILE.... think about it...MJ was miles ahead and unquestioned the best in the league...the next guy to be that much better was Shaq....then it was Lebron and Now it's jokic...

what I mean is when there is a guy that is unrivaled and its 100% understood. no one thinks anyone is better than Jokic right now...no one seriously has thought that for a few years...maybe 6...

\ Best player the last 6 years but how many finals? How many Conference finals? Shaq played in 14 conference finals. LBJ played in 12 conference finals. Jokic *checks notes* has only played in 2 conference finals. But he's been the best player in the league for 6 years? If Jokic made the conference finals every year for 10 years, he would finally catch up to Bron. And he still wouldn't have caught up to Shaq. Is Jokic the best player in the league? Maybe. But to say he's miles ahead when everyone expects him to get sent to cancun is pretty laughable. Personally I'm taking Wemby over Jokic. Wemby sets the tone for the Spurs team, both defensively and offensively.
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Now they are adding some plays that use him like KD. Pin downs for threes. Screens for open middys. Lobs to Steph Castle. Not to mention GOAT lob threat. Improving post game as we saw earlier in the year.

The notion that Jokic is miles better than Wemby is practically laughable. If Jokic is better at all, it's marginal (personally I'd disagree). And Wemby is getting better at an insane rate. This is Jokic's swan song. Wemby's coming. And it's going to be one for the ages.


I will admit that this is Jokic at his best. Nice easy going game where neither team is going all out. He can conserve energy, pick his spots, defense not really doing too much. In the playoffs, when he has increase his minutes, exert way more energy to create everything on offense and make up for his lack of quickness/athleticism/wingspan/size on the defensive side of the ball he's not nearly as effective. Opposing teams can tire him out. It can't be understated this playstyle of Jokic doing everything and being super efficient is not sustainable in the playoffs. But it does make for amazing statlines.
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Post#103 » by CobraCommander » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:00 pm

prime1time wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:give the MVP to the second best guy on earth because its a foregone conclusion Jokic is the BEST PLAYER ON EARTH BY A MILE.... think about it...MJ was miles ahead and unquestioned the best in the league...the next guy to be that much better was Shaq....then it was Lebron and Now it's jokic...

what I mean is when there is a guy that is unrivaled and its 100% understood. no one thinks anyone is better than Jokic right now...no one seriously has thought that for a few years...maybe 6...

\ Best player the last 6 years but how many finals? How many Conference finals? Shaq played in 14 conference finals. LBJ played in 12 conference finals. Jokic *checks notes* has only played in 2 conference finals. But he's been the best player in the league for 6 years? If Jokic made the conference finals every year for 10 years, he would finally catch up to Bron. And he still wouldn't have caught up to Shaq. Is Jokic the best player in the league? Maybe. But to say he's miles ahead when everyone expects him to get sent to cancun is pretty laughable. Personally I'm taking Wemby over Jokic. Wemby sets the tone for the Spurs team, both defensively and offensively.
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The notion that Jokic is miles better than Wemby is practically laughable. If Jokic is better at all, it's marginal (personally I'd disagree). And Wemby is getting better at an insane rate. This is Jokic's swan song. Wemby's coming. And it's going to be one for the ages.


I will admit that this is Jokic at his best. Nice easy going game where neither team is going all out. He can conserve energy, pick his spots, defense not really doing too much. In the playoffs, when he has increase his minutes, exert way more energy to create everything on offense and make up for his lack of quickness/athleticism/wingspan/size on the defensive side of the ball he's not nearly as effective. Opposing teams can tire him out. It can't be understated this playstyle of Jokic doing everything and being super efficient is not sustainable in the playoffs. But it does make for amazing statlines.

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Wemby might get there but honestly it has been six years. Embiid got close but was hurt too much. Giannis is always lurking but his shooting from distance is never going to be there. Luka has crazy potential and his peak approaches Jokic but never delivered consistently because of his conditioning and temperament and health. SGA is mercurial but honestly boringly consistent and his best is somehow lower than Jokic’s peak. The exact opposite of Luka when compared to Jokic. Tatum is amazing but somehow just slightly below Jokic even when he is channeling Kobe’s spirit.

Jokic last six seasons

2020 to 21
26.4 points
10.8 rebounds
8.3 assists

2021 to 22
27.1 points
13.8 rebounds
7.9 assists

2022 to 23
24.5 points
11.8 rebounds
9.8 assists

2023 to 24
26.4 points
12.4 rebounds
9.0 assists

2024 to 25
29.6 points
12.7 rebounds
10.2 assists

2025 to 26
28.8 points
13.1 rebounds
10.9 assists

we are In uncharted territory! wemby isn't going to have these assist but his blocks gonna be better...but honestly

this is their shooting this year...wembys best year

JOKIC 2025 to 26
FG percent 68.4
Three point percent 41.7
Free throw percent 85.9

WEMBANYAMA 2025 to 26
FG percent 50.5
Three point percent 31.3
Free throw percent 85.2

wemby stats
2024-25: 24.3 points, 11.0 rebounds, 3.7 assists
2025-26 (so far): 26.2 points, 13.0 rebounds, 4.0 assists.


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Post#104 » by tsherkin » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:06 pm

prime1time wrote:\ Best player the last 6 years but how many finals? How many Conference finals? Shaq played in 14 conference finals. LBJ played in 12 conference finals.


Consider teammates. Shaq had Penny, Kobe and Wade during his prime. Jokic hasn't played alongside a single player of that caliber, let alone 3. Lebron was great, but the East was also as weak as the West had been in the 80s when Magic and the Lakers were dominating everyone and making the Finals almost every year. And Lebron was also playing for several years with Wade and Bosh, or Love/Kyrie. And then AD.

Not really valid comparisons.
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Post#105 » by Exp0sed » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:15 pm

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Amount of times Shaq averaged 30 points in his career: 0
Amount of times Hakeem averaged 30 points in his career: 0
Amount of times David Robinson averaged 30 points in his career: 0
Amount of times Tim Duncan averaged 30 points in his career: 0
Amount of times Dirk averaged 30 points in his career: 0
Amount of times KG averaged 30 points in his career: 0
Amount of times Karl Malone averaged 30 points in his career: 0

That´s the majority of the greatest PFs and Cs of all time. All of them were the main scoring option of their team for huge parts of their career.

Also, Jokic averaged 30+ points twice in his career during the playoffs. One season being the one they won the title^^.


Most of them would probably average 30 in at least a single season in this era


Malone did so that was a miss there. But the pace was very similar on the 80's. I don't see Duncan or KG scoring 30. Robinson, Shaq and Dirk likely do.
Just a little anecdote, no Center in the history of the NBA scored 25 pts in a quarter, before Jokic did just that, in the first quarter of a b2b vs. the Clippers

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Post#106 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:20 pm

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Most of them would probably average 30 in at least a single season in this era


Malone did so that was a miss there. But the pace was very similar on the 80's. I don't see Duncan or KG scoring 30. Robinson, Shaq and Dirk likely do.
Just a little anecdote, no Center in the history of the NBA scored 25 pts in a quarter, before Jokic did just that, in the first quarter of a b2b vs. the Clippers



I'm going to question how that's possible given Wilt averaged 25 a quarter for a game...
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Post#107 » by Exp0sed » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:23 pm

prime1time wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:give the MVP to the second best guy on earth because its a foregone conclusion Jokic is the BEST PLAYER ON EARTH BY A MILE.... think about it...MJ was miles ahead and unquestioned the best in the league...the next guy to be that much better was Shaq....then it was Lebron and Now it's jokic...

what I mean is when there is a guy that is unrivaled and its 100% understood. no one thinks anyone is better than Jokic right now...no one seriously has thought that for a few years...maybe 6...

\ Best player the last 6 years but how many finals? How many Conference finals? Shaq played in 14 conference finals. LBJ played in 12 conference finals. Jokic *checks notes* has only played in 2 conference finals. But he's been the best player in the league for 6 years? If Jokic made the conference finals every year for 10 years, he would finally catch up to Bron. And he still wouldn't have caught up to Shaq. Is Jokic the best player in the league? Maybe. But to say he's miles ahead when everyone expects him to get sent to cancun is pretty laughable. Personally I'm taking Wemby over Jokic. Wemby sets the tone for the Spurs team, both defensively and offensively.
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Now they are adding some plays that use him like KD. Pin downs for threes. Screens for open middys. Lobs to Steph Castle. Not to mention GOAT lob threat. Improving post game as we saw earlier in the year.

The notion that Jokic is miles better than Wemby is practically laughable. If Jokic is better at all, it's marginal (personally I'd disagree). And Wemby is getting better at an insane rate. This is Jokic's swan song. Wemby's coming. And it's going to be one for the ages.


I will admit that this is Jokic at his best. Nice easy going game where neither team is going all out. He can conserve energy, pick his spots, defense not really doing too much. In the playoffs, when he has increase his minutes, exert way more energy to create everything on offense and make up for his lack of quickness/athleticism/wingspan/size on the defensive side of the ball he's not nearly as effective. Opposing teams can tire him out. It can't be understated this playstyle of Jokic doing everything and being super efficient is not sustainable in the playoffs. But it does make for amazing statlines.
Shaq played with Penny,Kobe etc

Jokic played with Murray and MPJ (and no bench). The two playoff runs Murray played like a co star, the Nuggets reached the conf. final and the 2nd time they won a chip
U also had a year with Murray in street clothes and one season that MPJ missed

Duncan played with an aging Robinson in the first one, then with Parker,Manu etc

Give Jokic 10 years of Parker, Manu and Boris D, how many con. finals or finals he'd have then?


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Post#108 » by Exp0sed » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:26 pm

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Malone did so that was a miss there. But the pace was very similar on the 80's. I don't see Duncan or KG scoring 30. Robinson, Shaq and Dirk likely do.
Just a little anecdote, no Center in the history of the NBA scored 25 pts in a quarter, before Jokic did just that, in the first quarter of a b2b vs. the Clippers



I'm going to question how that's possible given Wilt averaged 25 a quarter for a game...
Idk, i saw it somewhere and didn't double check. checked it now and Wilt's record is indeed 31. But i guess like many other Jokic achievements, it's not "first" but rather "First since Wilt" lol



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Post#109 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:27 pm

prime1time wrote:Best player the last 6 years but how many finals? How many Conference finals?


How many All-NBA teammates? How many All-Star teammates?

I'll let you look it up.
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Post#110 » by CobraCommander » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:29 pm

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dhsilv2 wrote:
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Most of them would probably average 30 in at least a single season in this era


Malone did so that was a miss there. But the pace was very similar on the 80's. I don't see Duncan or KG scoring 30. Robinson, Shaq and Dirk likely do.
Just a little anecdote, no Center in the history of the NBA scored 25 pts in a quarter, before Jokic did just that, in the first quarter of a b2b vs. the Clippers

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you guys are messing up eras...AI won the scoring title scoring 26 ppg.... scoring is different now....shaq would have 30 easy... you can't touch Shaq at all...and he going to the hoop...

this is a foul on shaq in this league....he would do this 20 times a night...
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shaq avg 20 shots a game in that era of more physical play... imagine shaq today with the biggest guys being tiny by comparison
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Post#111 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:29 pm

Exp0sed wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:Just a little anecdote, no Center in the history of the NBA scored 25 pts in a quarter, before Jokic did just that, in the first quarter of a b2b vs. the Clippers



I'm going to question how that's possible given Wilt averaged 25 a quarter for a game...
Idk, i saw it somewhere and didn't double check. checked it now and Wilt's record is indeed 31. But i guess like many other Jokic achievements, it's not "first" but rather "First since Wilt" lol


I'm like 95% sure Robinson had over 25 in the 4th quarter when he scored 71 too. But I'm just going off memory.
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Post#112 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:33 pm

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Malone did so that was a miss there. But the pace was very similar on the 80's. I don't see Duncan or KG scoring 30. Robinson, Shaq and Dirk likely do.
Just a little anecdote, no Center in the history of the NBA scored 25 pts in a quarter, before Jokic did just that, in the first quarter of a b2b vs. the Clippers

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you guys are messing up eras...AI won the scoring title scoring 26 ppg.... scoring is different now....shaq would have 30 easy... you can't touch Shaq at all...and he going to the hoop...

this is a foul on shaq in this league....he would do this 20 times a night...
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shaq avg 20 shots a game in that era of more physical play... imagine shaq today with the biggest guys being tiny by comparison


It can be one or the other. Either that's not allowed today so Shaq is worse. Or it is and Shaq does it 20 times a night.
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Post#113 » by CobraCommander » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:40 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
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Exp0sed wrote:Just a little anecdote, no Center in the history of the NBA scored 25 pts in a quarter, before Jokic did just that, in the first quarter of a b2b vs. the Clippers

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you guys are messing up eras...AI won the scoring title scoring 26 ppg.... scoring is different now....shaq would have 30 easy... you can't touch Shaq at all...and he going to the hoop...

this is a foul on shaq in this league....he would do this 20 times a night...
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shaq avg 20 shots a game in that era of more physical play... imagine shaq today with the biggest guys being tiny by comparison


It can be one or the other. Either that's not allowed today so Shaq is worse. Or it is and Shaq does it 20 times a night.

its shaq...the NBA bends the rules to let the best guys score points...Lebrons crab step, Ja's handle is actually picking the ball up and running with it, Giannis gather step allows him to sometimes take 4 MFin Steps, Hardens step back step back step back (which is now Lukas) and Hardens let me run into you and raise my arms into your arms while shooting move...when wemby starts cheating and the league changes the rules...its gonna be ridiculous. ...so I honestly think they would let shaq steam roll guys cause thats what the fans want to see
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Post#114 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 13, 2025 9:56 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:you guys are messing up eras...AI won the scoring title scoring 26 ppg.... scoring is different now....shaq would have 30 easy... you can't touch Shaq at all...and he going to the hoop...

this is a foul on shaq in this league....he would do this 20 times a night...
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shaq avg 20 shots a game in that era of more physical play... imagine shaq today with the biggest guys being tiny by comparison


It can be one or the other. Either that's not allowed today so Shaq is worse. Or it is and Shaq does it 20 times a night.

its shaq...the NBA bends the rules to let the best guys score points...Lebrons crab step, Ja's handle is actually picking the ball up and running with it, Giannis gather step allows him to sometimes take 4 MFin Steps, Hardens step back step back step back (which is now Lukas) and Hardens let me run into you and raise my arms into your arms while shooting move...when wemby starts cheating and the league changes the rules...its gonna be ridiculous. ...so I honestly think they would let shaq steam roll guys cause thats what the fans want to see


Yeah...most of what you're talking about is from players developing skills to game the rules. And Giannis can take at least 5 legally the way he handles the ball. Put some respect on his game!

Now, I don't think the rules in the post have changed much. Zones just allow you to put 2 guys on the post guy before he gets the ball. And big on big I'm not even sure what is a foul today. I never see fouls called in the post when two bigs go at it. And if you put a smaller guy, I'm pretty sure you can just punch the guy anywhere but the head legally. That's why all but a few guys have mostly left the post...it's dumb how much contact is allowed.

I don't see how this helps shaq really.
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Post#115 » by Lunartic » Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:01 pm

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I agree with the general idea Jokic could have shot more. But he also had games of 7,6, 8, and 5 turnovers in that series. They were making is hard for him to get the ball and to then put the ball on the floor.

They won 2 games where he shot 29 and 25 times. They also lost games he shot 25 and 22 times. Meanwhile they won a game he took 14 (he did get 12 free throws). So sure he could do more...but he was also going against an all time level defensive team and forced 7 games when his team on paper shouldn't have gone 7.



Yeah that's fair but... In a game 7 against the champs with struggling teammates I'd much rather Jokic take a contested mid-range jumper or force the offense a bit versus hope Braun/Murray carry the team's offense.

Like you mentioned earlier, a slightly inefficient Jokic is still better than anyone on the Nuggets, he is that good.

Remaining aggressive instead of taking 9 fga also puts pressure on the OkC defense and can force fouls on key defenders.

The issue isn't getting Jokic to take contested jumpers. It's about making Jokic work. Make him earn everything offensively. And forcing him to defend offensively. Anyone who has watched Jokic play the last 4 years knows this stat line is possible. The problem is that it doesn't solve their playoff problems. Beating the Nuggets is as simple as making Jokic work. Work offensively. Work defensively. Tire him out. Then at the end of games, his rotations will be a step slower. Offensively instead of him battling for good position and an easy score, he'll settle for a jumper. And because he's settling for Jumpers, defenders don't have to help and can stay glued to their man.



Sure making him tired is definitely a strategy, however this is game 7 against the champs.

There's no better time to go for broke than now. Jokic put up 9 shots. I don't know what conditioning issues you think Jokic has but he can do much, much better tactically.

It's not like he had a stat line of 15 points and 20 assists. He was just not aggressive. Defenders look tremendous against passive players ala Mavericks vs Lebron 2011.

There's absolutely no reason to preserve energy in a game 7, it's likely a title win.

There are only two options on offense. Pass or shoot. Murray/Braun took the most shots and weren't exactly carrying the offense.
So you keep passing to them or you put up more shots. It's not as if Jokic was 1-9, he was very efficient on low volume.
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Post#116 » by CobraCommander » Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:19 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
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It can be one or the other. Either that's not allowed today so Shaq is worse. Or it is and Shaq does it 20 times a night.

its shaq...the NBA bends the rules to let the best guys score points...Lebrons crab step, Ja's handle is actually picking the ball up and running with it, Giannis gather step allows him to sometimes take 4 MFin Steps, Hardens step back step back step back (which is now Lukas) and Hardens let me run into you and raise my arms into your arms while shooting move...when wemby starts cheating and the league changes the rules...its gonna be ridiculous. ...so I honestly think they would let shaq steam roll guys cause thats what the fans want to see


Yeah...most of what you're talking about is from players developing skills to game the rules. And Giannis can take at least 5 legally the way he handles the ball. Put some respect on his game!

Now, I don't think the rules in the post have changed much. Zones just allow you to put 2 guys on the post guy before he gets the ball. And big on big I'm not even sure what is a foul today. I never see fouls called in the post when two bigs go at it. And if you put a smaller guy, I'm pretty sure you can just punch the guy anywhere but the head legally. That's why all but a few guys have mostly left the post...it's dumb how much contact is allowed.

I don't see how this helps shaq really.

The rules have been bent - players aren’t changing anything - ja cradles the ball like a baby on every dribble and takes a running start. And you right about giannis… giannis is following the lebron rules of “dribbling is optional when going to the rack”

I think they would allow shaq to bully people and wouldn’t allow people to push back . Since everyone is smaller - a young Shaq wouldn’t have any resistance - imagine draymond against Shaq or AD - AD would take mandatory PTO everytime they played Shaq
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Post#117 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:24 pm

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Yeah that's fair but... In a game 7 against the champs with struggling teammates I'd much rather Jokic take a contested mid-range jumper or force the offense a bit versus hope Braun/Murray carry the team's offense.

Like you mentioned earlier, a slightly inefficient Jokic is still better than anyone on the Nuggets, he is that good.

Remaining aggressive instead of taking 9 fga also puts pressure on the OkC defense and can force fouls on key defenders.

The issue isn't getting Jokic to take contested jumpers. It's about making Jokic work. Make him earn everything offensively. And forcing him to defend offensively. Anyone who has watched Jokic play the last 4 years knows this stat line is possible. The problem is that it doesn't solve their playoff problems. Beating the Nuggets is as simple as making Jokic work. Work offensively. Work defensively. Tire him out. Then at the end of games, his rotations will be a step slower. Offensively instead of him battling for good position and an easy score, he'll settle for a jumper. And because he's settling for Jumpers, defenders don't have to help and can stay glued to their man.



Sure making him tired is definitely a strategy, however this is game 7 against the champs.

There's no better time to go for broke than now. Jokic put up 9 shots. I don't know what conditioning issues you think Jokic has but he can do much, much better tactically.

It's not like he had a stat line of 15 points and 20 assists. He was just not aggressive. Defenders look tremendous against passive players ala Mavericks vs Lebron 2011.

There's absolutely no reason to preserve energy in a game 7, it's likely a title win.

There are only two options on offense. Pass or shoot. Murray/Braun took the most shots and weren't exactly carrying the offense.
So you keep passing to them or you put up more shots. It's not as if Jokic was 1-9, he was very efficient on low volume.


He had 12 free throws and 5 turnovers. That's like 11 more possessions with the 9 shots. And they pulled him early in the blow out. Again he can do more but 9 shots is a bit misleading to what he did.
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Post#118 » by Edrees » Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:25 pm

If nuggets end up with 2nd seed and he keeps this up they have to give him the MVP

but if he ends up 3rd or 4th seed they will use it as an excuse not to give it to him
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Post#119 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:27 pm

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CobraCommander wrote:its shaq...the NBA bends the rules to let the best guys score points...Lebrons crab step, Ja's handle is actually picking the ball up and running with it, Giannis gather step allows him to sometimes take 4 MFin Steps, Hardens step back step back step back (which is now Lukas) and Hardens let me run into you and raise my arms into your arms while shooting move...when wemby starts cheating and the league changes the rules...its gonna be ridiculous. ...so I honestly think they would let shaq steam roll guys cause thats what the fans want to see


Yeah...most of what you're talking about is from players developing skills to game the rules. And Giannis can take at least 5 legally the way he handles the ball. Put some respect on his game!

Now, I don't think the rules in the post have changed much. Zones just allow you to put 2 guys on the post guy before he gets the ball. And big on big I'm not even sure what is a foul today. I never see fouls called in the post when two bigs go at it. And if you put a smaller guy, I'm pretty sure you can just punch the guy anywhere but the head legally. That's why all but a few guys have mostly left the post...it's dumb how much contact is allowed.

I don't see how this helps shaq really.

The rules have been bent - players aren’t changing anything - ja cradles the ball like a baby on every dribble and takes a running start. And you right about giannis… giannis is following the lebron rules of “dribbling is optional when going to the rack”

I think they would allow shaq to bully people and wouldn’t allow people to push back . Since everyone is smaller - a young Shaq wouldn’t have any resistance - imagine draymond against Shaq or AD - AD would take mandatory PTO everytime they played Shaq


Ja isn't a star and neither is Pool. That's just bad officiating imo. The rest is what it is. The rules clearly define the gather and what Giannis does mostly fits. Same reason the step back is legal.

They wouldn't let people push back? Dude, Jokic is bleeding out there. Caruso was like a prison bully molesting him in the playoffs. Dray would land 4-5 nut shots a game to shaq without getting called. The bigger you are the harder it is to draw a foul unless you flail and flop ala Embiid.
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Post#120 » by Lunartic » Thu Nov 13, 2025 10:29 pm

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prime1time wrote:The issue isn't getting Jokic to take contested jumpers. It's about making Jokic work. Make him earn everything offensively. And forcing him to defend offensively. Anyone who has watched Jokic play the last 4 years knows this stat line is possible. The problem is that it doesn't solve their playoff problems. Beating the Nuggets is as simple as making Jokic work. Work offensively. Work defensively. Tire him out. Then at the end of games, his rotations will be a step slower. Offensively instead of him battling for good position and an easy score, he'll settle for a jumper. And because he's settling for Jumpers, defenders don't have to help and can stay glued to their man.



Sure making him tired is definitely a strategy, however this is game 7 against the champs.

There's no better time to go for broke than now. Jokic put up 9 shots. I don't know what conditioning issues you think Jokic has but he can do much, much better tactically.

It's not like he had a stat line of 15 points and 20 assists. He was just not aggressive. Defenders look tremendous against passive players ala Mavericks vs Lebron 2011.

There's absolutely no reason to preserve energy in a game 7, it's likely a title win.

There are only two options on offense. Pass or shoot. Murray/Braun took the most shots and weren't exactly carrying the offense.
So you keep passing to them or you put up more shots. It's not as if Jokic was 1-9, he was very efficient on low volume.


He had 12 free throws and 5 turnovers. That's like 11 more possessions with the 9 shots. And they pulled him early in the blow out. Again he can do more but 9 shots is a bit misleading to what he did.



Which means he was getting some FTA and the turnovers suck but that's the game, it's not about the prettiest stat line for nerds to fawn over but rather to win the biggest game of the year.

Compared to his ridiculously high standard, he didn't do enough. Everyone here would much rather have Jokic risk another TO or a missed shot than have him become passive in a game 7.

Some players are so good that they can play bad and still be a positive.

I don't think we're disagreeing really, I just think a chucker Jokic is still better than 99% of the league

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