Has the Torch Officially Been Passed From Kobe to Lebron?

[RocketPower23]

^^^ I laugh when people bring up "leadership", as if they know what they're talking about. Most people just base Bryant's leadership on what happened in the off-season, but from everything you see on the court and hear from the players, Kobe has been extremely involved more so now then in previous and you could actually see it on the court when he goes over and talks to them on the side and from the looks of things he isn't just scolding them like other great "leaders", but he is actually giving them advice. I honestly believe he is one of the better leaders in the league, and hopefully overtime people will see this too.

[LakerFanMan]

^^^ Funny how people seem to forget that. Actually, most MVP's in NBA history have had at least one or 2 very good players to back them.

I would rank Lebron slightly ahead of Kobe, but not because of this game..just because of his leadership..I believe it's better than Kobe's, and until Kobe proves to me what he can do with his team this season with a healthy Bynum, I'll keep Lebron ahead of him on the leadership scale....

When Bynum was healthy, the Lakers had one of the best records in the NBA (top 5) and a better record then the cavs. Actually, they still do.

[HarlemHeat37]

I know, I pointed that out..but I would like to see them do it in the playoffs..a stretch doesn't exactly tell you everything..especially since LA had a great record at one point last year before injuries IIRC..

[INKtastic]

When Bynum was healthy, the Lakers had one of the best records in the NBA (top 5) and a better record then the cavs. Actually, they still do.

But not better than than the cavs 24-13 (.649) record in complete games LeBron played. The only difference in the Lakers and Cavs records is LeBron was out 5 1/2 games. And the cavs have had way more players out this season than LA has.

[kno]

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But not better than than the cavs 24-13 (.649) record in complete games LeBron played. The only difference in the Lakers and Cavs records is LeBron was out 5 1/2 games. And the cavs have had way more players out this season than LA has.

Actually, Lakers had a 27-12 record at one point; a better winning percentage than the Cavs' .649.

BTW, everyone on the Lakers' roster has been injured at one point of the season, or have missed games except 3 players (Kobe, FIsher, and Farmar).

The Lakers' 12 rotation players have missed a total of 100 games already.

Cavs' main 12 has missed a total of 105 games this season.

In the world we live in, 5 games, especially when youre combining 12 players' totals, is NOT "way more players out".

PLease get your facts straight before arguing your (flawed) point.

And again, your signature is too big.

[HarlemHeat37]

for what it's worth, I wouldn't want neither guy off the court or on the mic..I also wouldn't want any children looking up to them..I better not see any "I Wanna Be Like Lebron" commercials, with kids imitating his moves..meaning stepping over the homeless and poor while hating on the efforts of the others that are feeding them..

[bballcool34]

for what it's worth, I wouldn't want neither guy off the court or on the mic..I also wouldn't want any children looking up to them..I better not see any "I Wanna Be Like Lebron" commercials, with kids imitating his moves..meaning stepping over the homeless and poor while hating on the efforts of the others that are feeding them..

[B-Scott]

Kobe was only getting the edge in my opinion because of reputation. When it comes to on the court and who has been playing at a higher level over the last 2 years,it's Lebron. He has also gotten the better of the Head to Head matchups. Cavs are 5-0 against the Lakers,the last 5 games.

Lebron is just more gifted because he's 6-8 245 pounds with the speed of a WR. This allows him to get inside the paint with more consistency then Kobe and that helps the Cavs in close games. Kobe relies a lot more on jump shots.

Lebron is also in my opinion on the same level,if not a better defender then Kobe. He's bigger,stronger,longer, more athletic and when he locks in on you on D your not getting by him. And shooting guards and small forwards are not going to post him up because he's 245

[That Nicka]

Kobe was only getting the edge in my opinion because of reputation. When it comes to on the court and who has been playing at a higher level over the last 2 years,it's Lebron. He has also gotten the better of the Head to Head matchups. Cavs are 5-0 against the Lakers,the last 5 games.

Lebron is just more gifted because he's 6-8 245 pounds with the speed of a WR. This allows him to get inside the paint with more consistency then Kobe and that helps the Cavs in close games. Kobe relies a lot more on jump shots.

Lebron is also in my opinion on the same level,if not a better defender then Kobe. He's bigger,stronger,longer, more athletic and when he locks in on you on D your not getting by him. And shooting guards and small forwards are not going to post him up because he's 245

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[Ballings7]

No.

I think Kobe's still a better player by some.

[wezbo]

next year leborn surpasses, and hopefully hell sign with l.a when his contract runs out

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[B-Scott]

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When youre looking for an unbiased opinion, look for B-Scott







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If the Lakers drop from 1# seed all the way to 10th seed, is Kobe even the MVP of his own team. I remember Pippen only playing 44 games in 1998 and MJ still led the Bulls to 62-20.

Lakers are currently 6th seed and only 1 1/2 games ahead of 7th seed Glden State and 2 1/2 games ahead of Portland and Utah.

Utah is on a 4 game winning streak. If LA drops out of the playoffs picture Kobe isnt even the MVP of his own team

[Kobay]

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If the Lakers drop from 1# seed all the way to 10th seed, is Kobe even the MVP of his own team. I remember Pippen only playing 44 games in 1998 and MJ still led the Bulls to 62-20.

Lakers are currently 6th seed and only 1 1/2 games ahead of 7th seed Glden State and 2 1/2 games ahead of Portland and Utah.

Utah is on a 4 game winning streak. If LA drops out of the playoffs picture Kobe isnt even the MVP of his own team

I guess you missed the part last year when we were completely out of playoff picture and kobe went on a streak to drop points and get us in. Don't worry theres a reason he's considered best. When the team game stops working he will get you a win by himself... by lookin how lamar is total POS this year kobe will take it upon himself to start scoring.

[Vincent 666]

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But not better than than the cavs 24-13 (.649) record in complete games LeBron played. The only difference in the Lakers and Cavs records is LeBron was out 5 1/2 games. And the cavs have had way more players out this season than LA has.

If you're going to split hairs like that, are going to take into account that Lebron plays the majority of his games in the inferior conference and thus the Cavs record is skewed when compared to a West team.

[Vincent 666]

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You're right. I must have been drinking so much haterade I missed all of the MVPs and Titles Kobe has been winning.

Winning MVPs has in large part to do with circumstances that are out of a players control.

For example, the player has to be the undisputed best player on his team (which he wasnt in the eyes of the haters who use to say Kobe sucks without Shaq) and have teammates good enough to produce one of the best records in the league. Kobe for the majority of his career didnt meet number 1 and now doesnt have number 2.

So in reality, Kobe not having MVPs doesn't have to do with his talent or him not being good enough........it has more to do with circumstance.

[Vincent 666]

Utah is on a 4 game winning streak. If LA drops out of the playoffs picture Kobe isnt even the MVP of his own team

That makes no sense because you dont know how the team would do with Bynum and no Kobe.......DURING THE SAME STRETCH OF GAMES.


Yes the Lakers are losing without Bynum right now but the stretch he went down was arguably the toughest part of the schedule for the year. You have to take that into account.

[Vincent 666]

Kobe never had it to begin with. He has never won MVP and his teams with out Shaq have been average at best.

Since the Lakers traded Shaq. when healthy they have played either to their expected level or better.

It still amazes me that people question Kobes ability to lead a team without Shaq when he was one possesion away from getting the Lakers to the 2nd round in the West with players like Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Chris Mihm. Kwame Brown, and Brian Cook as the 6th man.

[Tesla]

Being a Laker fan, and a huge Kobe fan..... I'm going to say yes. This year is the year where Lebron is the best individual player in the league. The main reason (other than his insane numbers) : His Defense. He is now a premier two-way player, and he can do it all better than anyone.

[B-Scott]

Nobody is questing Kobe's ability,the topic is has the torch been passed from Kobe to Lebron and i think it has.

Lebron is a better player with simply more physical talent

More explosive

Better passer

Gets inside the paint more ( Crucial in close games)

More Size 245 pounds to 210 pounds

Smarter player that makes better decisions


On the defensive end its about equal now,but Lebron has to physical tools to be a even better defender then Artest.

[Vincent 666]

This thread reminds me of all the posters and threads who said in 2004 that by 2006, Lebron would be unquestionably better than Kobe.......