LakerFanMan wrote:You put AI or Tmac on the Spurs with Duncan, Parker, and Bowen and you wouldn't need any spark off the bench.
Yeah obviously they would take all the shots to end 7/22 as usual.
Manu Ginobili Is Overrated
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JellosJigglin wrote:Ginobili is a jump shooter. When he makes his outside shots he's great. When he doesn't he's average. Tonights game did nothing to change that.
I don't think it's accurate to call Ginobili a jump shooter. He's an extremely good slasher/creator/finisher when healthy. Extremely. He's also probably the most or second most creative SG in the league.
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Why is he overrated? Because he had 2 bad games?
Seriously, everyone on RealGM likes to overrate Duncan at the expense of his teammates. There have probably been a billion times where Duncan has played horribly, but because of Ginobili and Parker they still pulled out wins. Like in the 2005 finals when Ginobili kept them alive.
When Duncan was injured, they were still able to beat Utah and Dallas this season, and Ginobili had huge games. It's not as bad as Nash when he won his MVPs, obviously, but it's still sad. Duncan is the best PF ever (even though I kind of disagree), I don't think he needs more credit than he deserves.
Seriously, everyone on RealGM likes to overrate Duncan at the expense of his teammates. There have probably been a billion times where Duncan has played horribly, but because of Ginobili and Parker they still pulled out wins. Like in the 2005 finals when Ginobili kept them alive.
When Duncan was injured, they were still able to beat Utah and Dallas this season, and Ginobili had huge games. It's not as bad as Nash when he won his MVPs, obviously, but it's still sad. Duncan is the best PF ever (even though I kind of disagree), I don't think he needs more credit than he deserves.
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noagenda wrote:im a huge duncan fan but he gets a bit too much credit at the expense of Ginobili and Parker. It seems like every time these guys have a great game, people have to remind us about how easy it is to play beside Duncan
tim duncan anchors the spurs defense and offense.
we go as far duncan takes us.
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Well i think the biggest knock on Manus game is his inconsistency, and is the point most people like to state as to why he couldn't be a go to guy on another team.
But in reality he is the same as all other go to players on any team, they all have really bad nights and really bad shooting games, it just gets masked because they take 20+ shots, but at the end they still end with 20+points however no one notices that their FG% was >35%, so they get their.
Manu doesn't need to take 20 shots, if he has an off night Pop just pulls him out or goes to Parker or TD for the win and Manu ends with 8-10 shots and 6-10 points and everyone goes maaan he is overrated and inconsistent where as he is not more inconsistent then any player in the NBA he just doesn't have the benefit or the need to take 20 shots on his bad nights, the spus bench is just to deep.
The mistake most people make is go to the box score look at the end where it says Points and to the slots thats under AST and RBS and thats it, they don't bother to check the FG% and the FGA slot, and the mins played slot, nop can't be bothered by such trivial stats, where as in reality they are much more important stats then PPG.
Manu is just as consistent or inconsistent then any other player or go to guy in the NBA he just gets way less shots on his bad nights then players like JJ or VC or AI get.
So one could say playing with TD and Parker is a blessing and curse in the sense that he doesn't need to do so much for the team because it is good enough to win without him, but he doesn't get the recognition and gets exposed on bad nights more then other players on lesser teams.
Oh and another ting i wish people would stop saying Manu has the luxury of open shots because of TD in the post.
FFS a player guarding a SG should never ever double team a post player and leave his guy open, if he does the defense was crap to being with.
But in reality he is the same as all other go to players on any team, they all have really bad nights and really bad shooting games, it just gets masked because they take 20+ shots, but at the end they still end with 20+points however no one notices that their FG% was >35%, so they get their.
Manu doesn't need to take 20 shots, if he has an off night Pop just pulls him out or goes to Parker or TD for the win and Manu ends with 8-10 shots and 6-10 points and everyone goes maaan he is overrated and inconsistent where as he is not more inconsistent then any player in the NBA he just doesn't have the benefit or the need to take 20 shots on his bad nights, the spus bench is just to deep.
The mistake most people make is go to the box score look at the end where it says Points and to the slots thats under AST and RBS and thats it, they don't bother to check the FG% and the FGA slot, and the mins played slot, nop can't be bothered by such trivial stats, where as in reality they are much more important stats then PPG.
Manu is just as consistent or inconsistent then any other player or go to guy in the NBA he just gets way less shots on his bad nights then players like JJ or VC or AI get.
So one could say playing with TD and Parker is a blessing and curse in the sense that he doesn't need to do so much for the team because it is good enough to win without him, but he doesn't get the recognition and gets exposed on bad nights more then other players on lesser teams.
Oh and another ting i wish people would stop saying Manu has the luxury of open shots because of TD in the post.
FFS a player guarding a SG should never ever double team a post player and leave his guy open, if he does the defense was crap to being with.
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Desire to win? wahahhahahah you can have desire to win but if your team is full of scrubs it's not very easy to win. I would like to see ginobili in the bad teams vince carter had as the first option.
iverson and tmac would react bad if they sit in the bench, because they are superstars, and ginobili is not, thats the point of the thread, he is not overrated, only overrated if you consider him a superstar and a top3 SG in the league.
iverson and tmac would react bad if they sit in the bench, because they are superstars, and ginobili is not, thats the point of the thread, he is not overrated, only overrated if you consider him a superstar and a top3 SG in the league.
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Desire to win? wahahhahahah you can have desire to win but if your team is full of scrubs it's not very easy to win. I would like to see ginobili in the bad teams vince carter had as the first option.
put manu on the nets, with kidd and rj, that team is maybe playing the celtics right now. vince carter might have twice the vertical leap of manu but he's got 1/10th the heart, 1/100th the fire, and 1/1,000,000th the balls.
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Pistol Pete Vescey wrote:put manu on the nets, with kidd and rj, that team is maybe playing the celtics right now. vince carter might have twice the vertical leap of manu but he's got 1/10th the heart, 1/100th the fire, and 1/1,000,000th the balls.
Vince is lazy and old now but he was the man when he was in Toronto.
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noagenda wrote:im a huge duncan fan but he gets a bit too much credit at the expense of Ginobili and Parker. It seems like every time these guys have a great game, people have to remind us about how easy it is to play beside Duncan
Agreed. The Spurs would suck without Ginobili and Parker but for some reason everybody always talks about "the greatest pf of all time" and how "big men win championships." Duncan is a good solid piece to build around but he wouldn't have won those four championships if he had played on bad teams his whole career like KG did.