The Kobe Step Through

sixerswillrule · Post #101 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:06 am

NO

ONE

DOES

IT

Ju Mad · Post #102 » by **Ju Mad** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:08 am

How did this get to 7 pages?

casey · Post #103 » by **casey** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:19 am

sixerswillrule wrote:NO

ONE

DOES

IT

No one does a flip either, doesn't make it illegal. And did this thread not originate because a player does it a lot? Could've sworn that was the case. Could've sworn there was a video posted of said player doing it to.

raptorforlife88 · Post #104 » by **raptorforlife88** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:21 am

Clearly this guy isn't going to backdown however wrong his is. There's six pages of people disagreeing with him and telling him he's wrong and that hasn't put a dent in him. Some people just won't look at facts.

sixerswillrule · Post #105 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:25 am

It's actually been a pretty even split so far.

Again, if all Kobe does is just like that replay, then it's not a big deal. He was fairly close to jumping off both feet at the same time. But anything more than that is a travel. It will get called if it's clear enough. That's why no one does it...

casey · Post #106 » by **casey** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:34 am

sixerswillrule wrote:It's actually been a pretty even split so far.

Again, if all Kobe does is just like that replay, then it's not a big deal. He was fairly close to jumping off both feet at the same time. But anything more than that is a travel. It will get called if it's clear enough. That's why no one does it...

So that's what the rules say, if your feet are kinda close to leaving at the same time it's not a travel? Right. Do you have any proof, any facts, to back up your position? The rules are very clear. All you've said is that it's common sense and that nobody does it. These are not valid arguments.

btw, here's a pic of that Kobe play where he's close enough for you: http://i44.tinypic.com/20t3z1i.png

NBA Analyst+ · Post #107 » by **NBA Analyst+** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:36 am

casey wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:It's actually been a pretty even split so far.

Again, if all Kobe does is just like that replay, then it's not a big deal. He was fairly close to jumping off both feet at the same time. But anything more than that is a travel. It will get called if it's clear enough. That's why no one does it...

So that's what the rules say, if your feet are kinda close to leaving at the same time it's not a travel? Right. Do you have any proof, any facts, to back up your position? The rules are very clear. All you've said is that it's common sense and that nobody does it. These are not valid arguments.

btw, here's a pic of that Kobe play where he's close enough for you: http://i44.tinypic.com/20t3z1i.png

Buts its true that everyone does do it. It may be a travel "technically," but they arent going to call a travel on Kobe, wade, bron, etc.

Theoretic · Post #108 » by **Theoretic** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:42 am

sixerswillrule wrote:It's actually been a pretty even split so far.

Again, if all Kobe does is just like that replay, then it's not a big deal. He was fairly close to jumping off both feet at the same time. But anything more than that is a travel. It will get called if it's clear enough. That's why no one does it...

Stop posting.

mrfatwrecker · Post #109 » by **mrfatwrecker** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:42 am

LMAO @ "close enough"

sixerswillrule · Post #110 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:43 am

casey wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:It's actually been a pretty even split so far.

Again, if all Kobe does is just like that replay, then it's not a big deal. He was fairly close to jumping off both feet at the same time. But anything more than that is a travel. It will get called if it's clear enough. That's why no one does it...

So that's what the rules say, if your feet are kinda close to leaving at the same time it's not a travel? Right. Do you have any proof, any facts, to back up your position? The rules are very clear. All you've said is that it's common sense and that nobody does it. These are not valid arguments.

btw, here's a pic of that Kobe play where he's close enough for you: http://i44.tinypic.com/20t3z1i.png

You need to work on your reading comprehension. I already discussed that. I said that because he's Kobe, and because it happened so quickly in one motion, it wasn't called. Perhaps Kobe trying to do anything more obvious than that will get called. Or perhaps a lesser player trying to do the same thing will get called. But they rarely attempt that, if ever at all intentionally, because as I said, THEY KNOW IT'S A TRAVEL.

casey · Post #111 » by **casey** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:46 am

In the post I quoted you said "it's not a big deal" and "anything more than that is a travel". So it kinda sounds like you were saying it isn't a travel. And it's not, whether it's Kobe Bryant or Coby Karl. You can say in caps that it's a travel all you want, but it's not. You've made a solid half dozen responses to me in a row now where I've asked you for some facts to back up your claim and you've yet to provide any.

sixerswillrule · Post #112 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 4:51 am

How about the dozens of videos that you can find online of NBA players that know how to properly pivot and use the up and under move or the step through? Answer this question for me. If this were legal, you definitely gain advantage from using that move, right? Just like your friend. What I can't seem to understand is why NBA players wouldn't want this advantage? You would expect them to use it all the time to give them that edge. Hmm, maybe they just don't like advantages...

NBA Analyst+ · Post #113 » by **NBA Analyst+** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:04 am

Kobe and Lebron don't travel or foul. Stern told me this.

casey · Post #114 » by **casey** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:10 am

Because it feels unnatural. I've tried to do it some times, and it just doesn't feel right. It's like you're going up for a layup, but you're not jumping with as much power.

And once again when asked for facts to back up your opinion you have given none.

raptorforlife88 · Post #115 » by **raptorforlife88** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:17 am

It's because the move is incredibly tough to pull off. It throws off your balance when you pivot that way and it's hard to get it right.

ilikecb4 · Post #116 » by **ilikecb4** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:17 am

well it's not a big enough travel to call honestly...

lebron gets away with a lot more in my opinion...like his rookie year...4 step pro hop

ilikecb4 · Post #117 » by **ilikecb4** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:21 am

actually in the past 10 years

iverson has got away with most carries and travels..

his pro hop is a huge travel....

i'll post a link

tracey_nice · Post #118 » by **tracey_nice** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:48 am

sixerswillrule wrote:How about the dozens of videos that you can find online of NBA players that know how to properly pivot and use the up and under move or the step through? Answer this question for me. If this were legal, you definitely gain advantage from using that move, right? Just like your friend. What I can't seem to understand is why NBA players wouldn't want this advantage? You would expect them to use it all the time to give them that edge. Hmm, maybe they just don't like advantages...

STFU, you are wrong! STOP POSTING.

sixerswillrule · Post #119 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 5:55 am

Because it feels unnatural. I've tried to do it some times, and it just doesn't feel right. It's like you're going up for a layup, but you're not jumping with as much power.

Not really, as long as the foot you're jumping off of is the foot that you normally would. If you're right-handed and pivoting with your right foot, then jumping off of your left foot would be no different then any shot you would take jumping off that foot. Except for maybe not getting a running start, but that shouldn't be a problem.

I'm imagining doing this move and it's just ridiculous. Not because it doesn't feel right, but because I could be stuck in the middle of the lane, probably a good 10 feet away from the basket, and end up with an easy lay up. Can't wait to have an entire group of people laugh at me when I try that in a game. I'll just tell them some people on RealGM say that it's legal...

STFU, you are wrong! STOP POSTING.

Lucky for me, I don't need your permission. And change your sig. Radmanovic is gone...

marcroboy · Post #120 » by **marcroboy** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 6:02 am

sixerswillrule wrote:You can't pick up your pivot foot and leave your other foot on the ground. It's not specifically stated in the rules but everyone knows about it. It's more like common sense. Try that yourself playing in a game and everyone will scream travel. If a player does that in an NBA game and it's obvious, the ref will probably call travel. Simple as that...

wow...that's the only thing you said in the last 5 pages that wasn't the same thing that you kept repeating over and over in order to dodge other ppl's arguments.