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Post#1001 » by michaelm » Wed Oct 6, 2021 3:45 am

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Getting the vaccine lessens the change you get COVID by some %, but the chance still exists. But what it comes down to it, you need to taking aggressive precautions when you feel even a little sick.

I live in NYC and travel occasionally to visit family in NJ. I wear my mask all the time work from home and get tested every time i visit family. But in NYC and especially NJ, people who are vaccinated aren't wearing masks. I think that is also risky. But the biggest risk is just not taking precautions when u feel sick.

Saying "it lessens the chance you get Covid by some %" is a massive understatement

It's a pretty big decrease, not only on the chance you get Covid, but in the event you do get it, your likelihood of becoming seriously ill or dying plummets with the vaccine



yea? Does it increase the survival and recovery rate for non obese people under 65 yrs old from 99.97 percent to 99.98 percent?

We are indeed fortunate to have someone on here with access to the most recent numbers on infection with the delta variant, which I presume your numbers concern, given this is the variant almost invariably involved with current and recent infections.
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Post#1002 » by michaelm » Wed Oct 6, 2021 3:54 am

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sikma42 wrote:I'm vaccinated. But if you are a healthy young person, like a professional basketball player...what changes with the vaccine? You just take precautions if you feel sick and you get tested all the time. The people getting sick, largely, aren't extremely healthy men in their early mid-20s.


Getting the vaccine isn't about you though. Its about protecting the people around you.

This is a lie. Getting vaccinated is about protecting yourself, and always has been. It's why we inoculated the vulnerable population first. If people are concerned about the virus, they should get vaccinated themselves, because science has proven taking the vaccine prevents severe illness and death.

Take the shot, you are protected. The data CLEARLY shows this.

You are incorrect actually. Whether we are at a stage in the current pandemic particularly in the US where this is still relevant is a different question, but the way to put a lid on an epidemic is to get the R1 below 1.0, which vaccination can certainly greatly assist. Small pox has been eliminated and polio virtually eliminated mainly due to vaccination.

I would at least wait to see how things go in Denmark and particularly Sweden before dismissing any role for vaccination in controlling Covid 19.
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Post#1005 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:01 am

Michaelm,

Im not here for a debate because i admittedly am not an expert on this matter, so I may or may not reply to this because im not THAT knowledgeable on this matter. But I do share the (passion?) in learning about this pandemic like others.

Again, im not anti-vax. Im just anti-vax mandates. Whereas my household have some people I encouraged to take the vax because i find that they need it to protect themselves.

What can you say about what’s happening in Singapore?

With 80% of population fully vaxxed with first world mass testing (they can even test at home) and first world tracing. And all the necessary precautions. All of which should be among the best in the world.

But despite all that there’s a surge in cases and hospitalization among vaxxed.

This also kind of also happened in Israel.

I also would like to know your opinion on this recent studies about how MRNA vaccines only lasts for around 6-7 months. This also coincides with how some countries are open to mass booster shots.

Are you OK with taking booster shots every 6-7 months? That’s like around 40 booster shots in the next 20 years. Personally, I find that the risk of the vax in getting double dosed is low. But getting boosters after boosters could increase your risk exponentially.

And wouldnt the factors of waning vax efficacy, limited vax supply, vax hesitancy and slow vax rollouts just creates pockets of unvaxed population that factoring the vax and this situation, this almost guarantees a perpetual and speeds up the mutation of the virus rather than just taking the natural herd immunity approach?
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Post#1006 » by xdrta+ » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:14 am

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Again, im not anti-vax. Im just anti-vax mandates. Whereas my household have some people I encouraged to take the vax because i find that they need it to protect themselves.


Are you anti-mandate for all vaccines or just Covid?
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Post#1007 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:17 am

The way I see this pandemic, again im no expert.

If we have taken the sweden approach, a lot more people would have died by now. But there will be a lot less people who will die in the future, and you also have to factor in how much time would have not been wasted (years of life lost). And overall, you will get a lot less people dying by taking the sweden approach by x amount of years.

I just find that the world would be seeing a long time of excess deaths because of how we handled this pandemic.

For instance, living in a poor country, i have friends who have run out of their savings and is now on debt and it makes him a lot vulnerable on future illnesses where he wont have the money for cure. His dad actually died last month because he run out of money for his weekly dialysis treatment.

Suicide rates have been increasing, its not about mental health for poor countries like ours. Its the pressure to feed a family or to not know how to survive in the upcoming days.

We all know how poverty is tied to life expectancy, much more in third world countries. And I think there’s gonna be a big asymmetry between deaths in the future related to poverty or other causes and deaths now with this current low IFR virus in Covid.

But as humans we can only see the right now. We can see the double dosed and not the possibility of taking 40 booster shots in the next 20 years.We can see the need for one selves in booster shots but you dont see how by taking booster shots would drive more mutations (as per WHO) and kill a lot of more people.
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Post#1008 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 6, 2021 6:21 am

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76ciology wrote:
Again, im not anti-vax. Im just anti-vax mandates. Whereas my household have some people I encouraged to take the vax because i find that they need it to protect themselves.


Are you anti-mandate for all vaccines or just Covid?


For all.

I think every person is different that makes his risk different on different diseases.

If you’re living in Africa, then maybe you take a malaria shot. But if you are in Antartica, then you may not take it.
And if you take the malaria shot in Antartica, you may have put yourself in unnecessary risk.

I dont think solutions should be collective.
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Post#1009 » by KingDavid » Wed Oct 6, 2021 7:13 am

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Pointgod wrote:
Jonathan Isaac said all the right wing dip **** buzz words.

- Natural immunity isn’t being talked about
-Losing freedoms and religious freedom (funny he ignores all the religious leaders that have encouraged getting the vaccine)
-This is more government control
-if people need to get vaccinated to protect themselves go for it (pretty selfish line of thinking)
-He puts his faith in God

Funny that he didn’t decide to let his ACL heal naturally or question the medical expertise of the doctor who fixed his knee….

I saved you all 6 minutes and countless brain cells. The dude is an idiot

I'm vaccinated.

But take a look at your attitude towards someone you don't know. You're calling him an idiot for his own personal beliefs. He's allowed to those. If you're vaccinated, why even hold such a strong opinion to someone you don't know? Refrain from using phrases like "right-wing **** buzzwords" as to not rile up our conservative community here, please. Next one will be a strike.


If you decided not to wear your seatbelt today and got into a serious accident, you made a choice. It’s not effecting anyone else involved in the accident who also decided to either wear a seatbelt or not. This is a personal choice.

If you decide to not wear a mask or get the vaccine, those are not personal choices. This is a potentially deadly air-born virus that can subsequently effect family, co-workers, fellow parishioners or even strangers in your every day moves. And it has already taken the lives of millions of people world wide and millions of others suffering various, long term side effects.

Many people, often anti-vaxxers, love making the personal choice argument regarding the vaccine and other Covid safety measures, and those selfish people continue to make a very poorly constructed argument.


I am aware of all of that. However, if just about anyone is worried about catching covid, they can take the vaccine and greatly diminish their chances of dying from covid. If they're truly afraid, they can lock themselves home. It's why I'm not concerned about about catching it. Vaccine and booster shots are out there.
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Post#1010 » by mitrandil20 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 7:50 am

76ciology wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Again, im not anti-vax. Im just anti-vax mandates. Whereas my household have some people I encouraged to take the vax because i find that they need it to protect themselves.


Are you anti-mandate for all vaccines or just Covid?


For all.

I think every person is different that makes his risk different on different diseases.

If you’re living in Africa, then maybe you take a malaria shot. But if you are in Antartica, then you may not take it.
And if you take the malaria shot in Antartica, you may have put yourself in unnecessary risk.

I dont think solutions should be collective.


This is quite the extreme comparison to justify that position, isn't it? It's like saying that you don't wear a snorkel while walking on land because of course there is no risk of drowning.
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Post#1011 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 6, 2021 8:18 am

michaelm wrote: Enough already, I have probably put my own position more than sufficiently on this thread. I am fine with Covid 19 fizzling out/ becoming a low grade endemic pathogen without vaccination as well, just not sure how anyone can be confident this will occur.


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Post#1012 » by DCasey91 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 8:19 am

No surprise about the outbreaks, knew beforehand that clinics are the most dangerous place to get COVID or is the cause of rudimentary breakouts. Logically speaking

Because it’s viral it leaves traces.

High amount of unknown people to one another + close proximity, high turnover (500++ per day), easy accessible moving parts.

I mean as pools go clinics are perfectly designed from wait time to holding indoors to spread the virus.

Also more tests means more cases but it’s gotten to a point here where I live where it’s negligible on total tests.

I smell bs foulplay here. The OH&S design is flawed.

You want to get everybody vaccinated

No problems

I have big problems with the heard cattle approach to doing it
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Post#1013 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 6, 2021 8:21 am

mitrandil20 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:
Are you anti-mandate for all vaccines or just Covid?


For all.

I think every person is different that makes his risk different on different diseases.

If you’re living in Africa, then maybe you take a malaria shot. But if you are in Antartica, then you may not take it.
And if you take the malaria shot in Antartica, you may have put yourself in unnecessary risk.

I dont think solutions should be collective.


This is quite the extreme comparison to justify that position, isn't it? It's like saying that you don't wear a snorkel while walking on land because of course there is no risk of drowning.
What do you think of vaccines for exanthematic diseases?


You take it if you are at risk and is putting others at risk.

If you are not at risk and isnt putting others at risk, then you may opt not to take it.

You can’t have a single collective solution without thinking all the variables across time. And as they say, there’s an infinite of unknowns and only a finite knowns in life.
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Post#1014 » by DCasey91 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 8:37 am

I think from memory it’s 1/100 that get tested have it and 1/100 from that (1/1000) die/complications.

Now for numerical sake that number could be x10 for virus spread so essentially herd immunity is a lot higher than the numbers that are out. (known vs unknown).

10/1000
10/10,000 and change or lower

The numbers can sway depending on criteria you use. I.e if the method is flawed then the results can bend the narrative to ones choosing.

Remember governments are indifferent good/bad. Politicians are a microcosm of ledgered power.

Anyway my own personal belief is that it’s no more or no less dangerous than the flu (new flu/virus variant) or pneumonia which both kill millions of people each year especially to those over 65 (stats back it up on COVID too it’s eerily similar). The world doesn’t stop for that.

Take into account spiking suicidality rates and a large % of people losing their livelihoods so to speak (loss of job/income etc). The fallout of a pandemic is worse than the pandemic itself.

For me this is more of an endemic there no ways around it.

If you have elders keep them safe (my own experience they are a weird bunch, went from not giving a ****, to giving a massive one to back to not giving one again lol).

SARS/Swine was way more potent although less spread effective.

This is as far as I’ll go on the “tin” foil hat stuff but I will say governments all over the world have done populated wide biological experiments repeatedly over the decades.
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Post#1015 » by First Step » Wed Oct 6, 2021 11:21 am

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Getting the vaccine isn't about you though. Its about protecting the people around you.

This is a lie. Getting vaccinated is about protecting yourself, and always has been. It's why we inoculated the vulnerable population first. If people are concerned about the virus, they should get vaccinated themselves, because science has proven taking the vaccine prevents severe illness and death.

Take the shot, you are protected. The data CLEARLY shows this.

You are incorrect actually. Whether we are at a stage in the current pandemic particularly in the US where this is still relevant is a different question, but the way to put a lid on an epidemic is to get the R1 below 1.0, which vaccination can certainly greatly assist. Small pox has been eliminated and polio virtually eliminated mainly due to vaccination.

I would at least wait to see how things go in Denmark and particularly Sweden before dismissing any role for vaccination in controlling Covid 19.

I'd be incorrect if your response addressed the content of my post. So you really don't believe that taking the vaccine provides protection for the individual taking it? The only function of the vaccine is to protect other people? Do you believe they only provide protection once we get under 1.0? Because if not, then we agree. And if we disagree, well then please read the clinical data. This clearly shows the vaccine protects the individual who takes it from severe illness or death.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
CONCLUSIONS
A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older.


If the goal is getting the R1 below 1.0, why don't we really tighten restrictions to the point where people can't leave their homes? We can have state-run food delivery so people don't die. How much liberty are you willing to sacrifice to get under 1.0? Probably not that much.
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Post#1016 » by Cartuse » Wed Oct 6, 2021 12:54 pm

76ciology wrote:We all know how poverty is tied to life expectancy, much more in third world countries. And I think there’s gonna be a big asymmetry between deaths in the future related to poverty or other causes and deaths now with this current low IFR virus in Covid.

This, I believe, is one of the political motivations for many of the arbitrary measures we've seen, and the reason why the propaganda machine has been working overtime non-stop since the start. I don't think anyone is looking for people to die, but they are looking at their own gains whatever the cost humanity might pay for it.

There has been a massive transfer of wealth from the low-medium and medium sectors of society to the high concentrated capitals. People say "oh but don't you think XYZ Big Name lost millions of dollars too?" to which I say no, it's called dumping and it's something only big money has the capacity of doing. And they've been doing it forever.

If you're a big player, you have the financial and structural backing to withstand a reduction in sales, especially when everyone else is put in the same situation. Yes, you might be "losing" money if you compare the revenue pre-pandemic to the revenue during pandemic (unless you're amazon or Uber, lol), but you need to take into account that during that time half the competition is going bankrupt. And guess who will absorb all that business once the dust is settled?

This doesn't need to be a conspiracy, it doesn't require people to meet in a dungeon and laugh machiavelichally. It just takes business people with lots of banking power - who know exactly what they're doing - aligning to what is for them a wonderful opportunity for a market takeover. No one needs to get together and make a plan, because the plan is the obvious course of action.

Coincidentally, we're seeing a similar takeover of democratic institutions and procedures by a de facto way of governing. Basic agreements, basic rights, basic procedures and ethics are all being put on halt because of especial circumstances. But what's the point of core values and core principles in society if you can put them on hold? The whole point of making principles immutable is PRECISELY so that no one in power has the capacity to create or abuse an environment in which those values can be set aside.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the change in public discourse. Two years ago I was lectured over and over about how companies own politics and how they're always screwing the people for their own interest. Then we have a scenario in which the potential of this goes up 1000x and all of a sudden... nah, they're all acting 100% in our best interest and there's no shady lobbying whatsoever and everything is crystal clear and all the confusion and backtracking and constant change in narrative is just a byproduct of the most honest science being conducted, which is not politicized at all since, you know, science has apparently never been politicized, it's impossible to do so in a world in which 99.99% of the people have no idea how 99.99% of the things they see and use every day work in the slightest.

Like you say, no one really talks about how the remedy might end up being worse than the illness. And you know what the worst part is? If/when the ugly starts coming out in due time, it will all be blamed on the virus and the people who didn't follow whichever coercion du jour. Just like parents blaming their kids for their personalities...
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Post#1017 » by ZB9 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 1:07 pm

Dear "vaccinated", trust your "vaccine" and leave us the **** alone.

Im so glad i live in Texas where there are no mandates and we have been living normally for a while now.
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Post#1018 » by ZB9 » Wed Oct 6, 2021 1:17 pm

Cartuse wrote:
76ciology wrote:We all know how poverty is tied to life expectancy, much more in third world countries. And I think there’s gonna be a big asymmetry between deaths in the future related to poverty or other causes and deaths now with this current low IFR virus in Covid.

This, I believe, is one of the political motivations for many of the arbitrary measures we've seen, and the reason why the propaganda machine has been working overtime non-stop since the start. I don't think anyone is looking for people to die, but they are looking at their own gains whatever the cost humanity might pay for it.

There has been a massive transfer of wealth from the low-medium and medium sectors of society to the high concentrated capitals. People say "oh but don't you think XYZ Big Name lost millions of dollars too?" to which I say no, it's called dumping and it's something only big money has the capacity of doing. And they've been doing it forever.

If you're a big player, you have the financial and structural backing to withstand a reduction in sales, especially when everyone else is put in the same situation. Yes, you might be "losing" money if you compare the revenue pre-pandemic to the revenue during pandemic (unless you're amazon or Uber, lol), but you need to take into account that during that time half the competition is going bankrupt. And guess who will absorb all that business once the dust is settled?

This doesn't need to be a conspiracy, it doesn't require people to meet in a dungeon and laugh machiavelichally. It just takes business people with lots of banking power - who know exactly what they're doing - aligning to what is for them a wonderful opportunity for a market takeover. No one needs to get together and make a plan, because the plan is the obvious course of action.

Coincidentally, we're seeing a similar takeover of democratic institutions and procedures by a de facto way of governing. Basic agreements, basic rights, basic procedures and ethics are all being put on halt because of especial circumstances. But what's the point of core values and core principles in society if you can put them on hold? The whole point of making principles immutable is PRECISELY so that no one in power has the capacity to create or abuse an environment in which those values can be set aside.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the change in public discourse. Two years ago I was lectured over and over about how companies own politics and how they're always screwing the people for their own interest. Then we have a scenario in which the potential of this goes up 1000x and all of a sudden... nah, they're all acting 100% in our best interest and there's no shady lobbying whatsoever and everything is crystal clear and all the confusion and backtracking and constant change in narrative is just a byproduct of the most honest science being conducted, which is not politicized at all since, you know, science has apparently never been politicized, it's impossible to do so in a world in which 99.99% of the people have no idea how 99.99% of the things they see and use every day work in the slightest.

Like you say, no one really talks about how the remedy might end up being worse than the illness. And you know what the worst part is? If/when the ugly starts coming out in due time, it will all be blamed on the virus and the people who didn't follow whichever coercion du jour. Just like parents blaming their kids for their personalities...



Yep, it's the biggest transfer of wealth since the great depression.

It's ironic how the lefty sheep are actually helping big corporations they claim to hate by going along and even encouraging the draconian measures by governments, and the shilling for big pharm is just incredible. Pfizer is one of the most corrupt companies in the history of the planet but all of a sudden we should give them a liability shield and trust them? Not only trust them but no questioning or skepticism towards them allowed whatsoever, any of that is labeled "conspiracy theories" and even often censored.

It's amazing to me that more people don't see what is happening. I guess some of the lefties do see exactly what is happening but they dont care, or it is actually what they want.
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Post#1019 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:03 pm

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76ciology wrote:We all know how poverty is tied to life expectancy, much more in third world countries. And I think there’s gonna be a big asymmetry between deaths in the future related to poverty or other causes and deaths now with this current low IFR virus in Covid.

This, I believe, is one of the political motivations for many of the arbitrary measures we've seen, and the reason why the propaganda machine has been working overtime non-stop since the start. I don't think anyone is looking for people to die, but they are looking at their own gains whatever the cost humanity might pay for it.

There has been a massive transfer of wealth from the low-medium and medium sectors of society to the high concentrated capitals. People say "oh but don't you think XYZ Big Name lost millions of dollars too?" to which I say no, it's called dumping and it's something only big money has the capacity of doing. And they've been doing it forever.

If you're a big player, you have the financial and structural backing to withstand a reduction in sales, especially when everyone else is put in the same situation. Yes, you might be "losing" money if you compare the revenue pre-pandemic to the revenue during pandemic (unless you're amazon or Uber, lol), but you need to take into account that during that time half the competition is going bankrupt. And guess who will absorb all that business once the dust is settled?

This doesn't need to be a conspiracy, it doesn't require people to meet in a dungeon and laugh machiavelichally. It just takes business people with lots of banking power - who know exactly what they're doing - aligning to what is for them a wonderful opportunity for a market takeover. No one needs to get together and make a plan, because the plan is the obvious course of action.

Coincidentally, we're seeing a similar takeover of democratic institutions and procedures by a de facto way of governing. Basic agreements, basic rights, basic procedures and ethics are all being put on halt because of especial circumstances. But what's the point of core values and core principles in society if you can put them on hold? The whole point of making principles immutable is PRECISELY so that no one in power has the capacity to create or abuse an environment in which those values can be set aside.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the change in public discourse. Two years ago I was lectured over and over about how companies own politics and how they're always screwing the people for their own interest. Then we have a scenario in which the potential of this goes up 1000x and all of a sudden... nah, they're all acting 100% in our best interest and there's no shady lobbying whatsoever and everything is crystal clear and all the confusion and backtracking and constant change in narrative is just a byproduct of the most honest science being conducted, which is not politicized at all since, you know, science has apparently never been politicized, it's impossible to do so in a world in which 99.99% of the people have no idea how 99.99% of the things they see and use every day work in the slightest.

Like you say, no one really talks about how the remedy might end up being worse than the illness. And you know what the worst part is? If/when the ugly starts coming out in due time, it will all be blamed on the virus and the people who didn't follow whichever coercion du jour. Just like parents blaming their kids for their personalities...


im leaning more on the generation cycle theory by Neil Howe. I believe that there should be a big event (world war, pandemic, civil war and etc.) every 80 years for a reset where you need to have a resolution (i.e great reset, monetary reset, new world order) to end it. Another cycle coinciding with 2020 is the long term debt cycle by Ray Dalio (78 year cycle)

These are not conspiracy theories.

The problem we have now is we have extreme inequality while it’s the first time that a generation after the world war will never be better off than it’s parent (4th turning), this lead to the big distress in the society. This usually happens during the 4th generation of a 80 year generation cycle, this is why u usually have big chaos during this time.

Yes, some ultra rich people got extra rich. But most of it is because the government is printing money that is going to equity assets. So guys like Elon Musk are getting rich because you’re factoring in the price of the Tesla stock. But it’s not because you are forced to buy Tesla Cars in order for you to survive the pandemic.

Now, this is just my belief but a part of it is decreasing the population of the baby boomers, this population compromises most of the ultra rich (most vulnerable population with a 2-3% IFR for covid which is similar to world war) and transferring their wealth to the their offspring, which is sort of the way to trickle down economy.
And you’ll see the mortality rate of these baby boomers staying high in the upcoming years while the virus continues to circulate, mutate while playing with the risk of the twice a year booster shots.

During this time a lot will also be earning a lot on financial assets. The US govt pretty much gave u that chance when they hand u your stimulus checks. The rest will get some sort of equality with things like stakeholder capitalism and social inequality, but the sad thing is alot of them will have to forego starting their own family because of inflation and your saving being depleted.

During times of peace and prosperity, inequality always increases. And there are only 4 things that reduces inequality throughout history.

Total wars
Total revolutions
Famines
Plagues

If not we, then circumstances picked the last one
There’s never been a time in history when we look back and say that the people who were censoring free speech were the good guys.
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Re: NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread 

Post#1020 » by ecogen » Wed Oct 6, 2021 2:08 pm

ZB9 wrote:Dear "vaccinated", trust your "vaccine" and leave us the **** alone.


Sure no prob, just make sure you stay the **** away from us and you don't clog up an ICU bed if you get sick. Stay home and drink some essential oils instead.

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