Kyrie Irving Megathread: [Latest] NETS Will Not Offer Irving $186M Extension

[TinmanZBoy]

A quick question: technically can Kyrie play in Warriors home court?

[jfs1000d]

That is pretty much forcing it. I don't remember any job ever asking if I had a vaccine or not. Telling someone to take a vaccine or lose their livelihood is an ultimatum. It's no easy to find a new job...I'm glad that some people can go job to job without any issues but not everyone is like that.

Some jobs requiring vaccination isn’t new.

Still not understanding why you would support mandates. Why would you want anyone to be given an ultimatum with taking a vax or losing their livelihood. In what world is that the right way to go about something?

This is a great question. And I understand it and struggle with it.

My answer would be - the seriousness of the pandemic determines it. There is a debate about how serious COVID is. Still. I think many anti-Vaxers are also anti-maskers and were anti-shutdown.

They just don’t see the same peril. So, in that case, their compliance is superfluous because they don’t think by not complying they are actually harming people.


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[Dino-Might]

A quick question: technically can Kyrie play in Warriors home court?

No. If he is traded to the Warriors, he would be in the same situation that Wiggins was in.

[Ambrose]

A quick question: technically can Kyrie play in Warriors home court?

No. If he is traded to the Warriors, he would be in the same situation that Wiggins was in.

He could theoretically play there as a visitor though, correct?

[Pointgod]

"Bu Bu But mu mu muh frreeeedoommmm."

The last 2 pages are hilarious.

Freedums and Facebook research is the most hilarious/stupid thing to come out of this. Before Americans (trumpers) politicised this nobody cared about whole subject but took their vaccines like normal people. Not to mentioning whole thing of still claiming ''i need to do my own research''. How long it takes? We have lived in pandemic almost 2 years. And vaccine be available almost a year in the western countries. And all this American garbage of ''its a big personal decision''.. no it's not. It's not a big decision. Just get it and be safe like any other vaccine before this in the last 50 or so years..

Who would have thought that Facebook would become one of the worst calamities to ever afflict mankind?

I’m pretty sure somewhere there’s a robot travelling through time to kill a young Mark Zuckerberg or at least find him a girlfriend.

[Effigy]

The Nets have to trade Kyrie at this point, but the question is where can you send him? Obviously you can't send him to one of the other teams that have the same rule in place. Philly for Simmons is the obvious answer, but PA is pretty liberal also, it's likely only a matter of time before they have the same rule. Therefor, it's probably only a southern team that's going to trade for him. A Florida or Texas team. Maybe Charlotte or ATL. Someone like that. But that dramatically reduces what you can get for him. Miami seems like the best fit. Maybe something like Lowry and Hero for Kyrie? And a future first? Miami wins on talent, but that trade probably cements Brooklyn winning the title this year, right?

[The High Cyde]

It’s the same few posters that have gotten bitch slapped by FNQ in the stickied COVID thread that come here and try to spew their garbage lmao

[xdrta+]

It’s the same few posters that have gotten bitch slapped by FNQ in the stickied COVID thread that come here and try to spew their garbage lmao

Ah, someone else noticed. Pretty soon there will be no place to hide.

[The High Cyde]

It’s the same few posters that have gotten bitch slapped by FNQ in the stickied COVID thread that come here and try to spew their garbage lmao

Ah, someone else noticed. Pretty soon there will be no place to hide.

Credit to you and michaelm as well! Good stuff

[iLLmatic860]

A quick question: technically can Kyrie play in Warriors home court?

No. If he is traded to the Warriors, he would be in the same situation that Wiggins was in.

He could theoretically play there as a visitor though, correct?

No he can’t with San Frans mandate

[xdrta+]

No. If he is traded to the Warriors, he would be in the same situation that Wiggins was in.

He could theoretically play there as a visitor though, correct?

No he can’t with San Frans mandate

Sure he could. Beal, Isaac, etc., unvaccinated visiting players can play in SF, it's only home team players that it affects. Same as NYC.

[HotelVitale]

Some jobs requiring vaccination isn’t new.

Still not understanding why you would support mandates. Why would you want anyone to be given an ultimatum with taking a vax or losing their livelihood. In what world is that the right way to go about something?

This is a great question. And I understand it and struggle with it. My answer would be - the seriousness of the pandemic determines it. There is a debate about how serious COVID is. Still. I think many anti-Vaxers are also anti-maskers and were anti-shutdown. They just don’t see the same peril. So, in that case, their compliance is superfluous because they don’t think by not complying they are actually harming people. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm sympathetic to people not wanting to jump into medical measures, and to there being some ambiguity about the overall good of mandates, but it's not arguable that you're not harming people around you by refusing the vaccine. There's nothing ambiguous about that--COVID is a quick-transmitting disease with a high fatality rate and the vaccine makes transmission less likely and serious or fatal cases far less likely. For every person who's not vaccinated, COVID is stronger and more likely to continue spreading. Most arguments denying that are just slippery slope things (what about the flu? what about alcohol? etc) that still leave unchecked the central fact that COVID is a special kind of harmful crisis.

I can understand an argument that your body and health have to be your own domain, but I honestly think a lot of that is fed by a fantasy people like to maintain about how much of their life is theirs vs how much of it is fully governed by something else. Every single job has literally dozens of mandates that we all comply with every day. I don't have a very strict workplace but I have to show up at a certain time, maintain a certain appearance, document my work in certain ways; I'm under a constant mandate not to be racist, sexist, etc too, and we all know we're not allowed to act in certain ways in professional contexts that could damage our work goals. That's without even getting into the fact that we all follow thousands and city, county, state, and federal laws at all times, under permanent threat of fines, social shame, imprisonment, etc. None of us are our own people and our 'liberty' only concerns a very small, proscribed set of choices within lives that are structured by systems. I think people prefer not to see things that way.

[Childs]

Can you provide legitimate proof of this.

Yeah, I'll PM you.

You sent me a PM and your messages to reply were disabled so I couldn't even respond.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf

You sent me this.

Go to page 1 - " January 6 through May 31, 2021, 5,121,436 US adults completed an online COVID-19 16 survey. Weighted data was used to evaluate change in vaccine intent and correlates of May 17 vaccine hesitancy."

The data you gave me was based on an online survey. There was no peer reviewed data with standard protocols that verifies who the participants were and removes bias. Anyone could have filled the survey, said they are a doctor and against Covid.

Nice try, though.

You pretty much said everything I was going to say.

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

[SNPA]

Still not understanding why you would support mandates. Why would you want anyone to be given an ultimatum with taking a vax or losing their livelihood. In what world is that the right way to go about something?

This is a great question. And I understand it and struggle with it. My answer would be - the seriousness of the pandemic determines it. There is a debate about how serious COVID is. Still. I think many anti-Vaxers are also anti-maskers and were anti-shutdown. They just don’t see the same peril. So, in that case, their compliance is superfluous because they don’t think by not complying they are actually harming people. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm sympathetic to people not wanting to jump into medical measures, and to there being some ambiguity about the overall good of mandates, but it's not arguable that you're not harming people around you by refusing the vaccine. There's nothing ambiguous about that--COVID is a quick-transmitting disease with a high fatality rate and the vaccine makes transmission less likely and serious or fatal cases far less likely. For every person who's not vaccinated, COVID is stronger and more likely to continue spreading.

I can understand an argument that your body and health have to be your own domain, but I honestly think a lot of that is fed by a fantasy people like to maintain about how much of their life is theirs vs how much of it is fully governed by something else. Every single job has literally dozens of mandates that we all comply with every day. I don't have a very strict workplace but I have to show up at a certain time, maintain a certain appearance, document my work in certain ways; I'm under a constant mandate not to be racist, sexist, etc too, and we all know we're not allowed to act in certain ways in professional contexts that could damage our work goals. That's without even getting into the fact that we all follow thousands and city, county, state, and federal laws at all times, under permanent threat of fines, social shame, imprisonment, etc. None of us are our own people and our 'liberty' only concerns a very small, proscribed set of choices within lives that are structured by systems. I think people prefer not to see things that way.

Why are you a commie hater of America and FREEDOM!

Free Qyrie.

[DOT]

It’s the same few posters that have gotten bitch slapped by FNQ in the stickied COVID thread that come here and try to spew their garbage lmao

It's not only that, it's the exact same talking points that get smacked down

It goes like,

"Why won't they answer this simple question?"

"Okay, here's the reason:"

"..."

"Why won't they answer this simple question?"

Rinse and repeat. No matter how many times it's explained, they pretend it isn't. Just Asking Questions (JAQ-ing off) fallacy.

[CobraCommander]

As good as Kyrie and KD are, I would never want either guy on my team. Every stop they've ever been at, the team is just nothing but drama. Happened in OKC, GSW and now here in BKY, then the same with Kyrie in CLE, BOS and here.

Congrats to the Bucks and their fans... Giannis makes these two look like absolute clowns.

DB great point....it’s not just Kyrie in this crap storm. You got to give KD (the team captain) a little heat here too. If you care about winning and you KD...sounds like it’s time to put together a cohesive team and let Kyrie join the Wiccan Vegans team. I’m a member and we would love to have Kyrie in our church league.

[Dino-Might]

Some jobs requiring vaccination isn’t new.

Still not understanding why you would support mandates. Why would you want anyone to be given an ultimatum with taking a vax or losing their livelihood. In what world is that the right way to go about something?

This is a great question. And I understand it and struggle with it.

My answer would be - the seriousness of the pandemic determines it. There is a debate about how serious COVID is. Still. I think many anti-Vaxers are also anti-maskers and were anti-shutdown.

They just don’t see the same peril. So, in that case, their compliance is superfluous because they don’t think by not complying they are actually harming people.


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There are no easy answers here. No one is saying there is one answer that everyone will be happy with.

There are three possibilities here:

1) have another lockdown for everyone - businesses fail, even more people lose their jobs, everyone suffers

2) no lockdown, no vaccine mandates (possibly no masks) - this is what most anti-vaxxers seem to advocate - but the cost is overcrowded hospitals, not enough medical resources for other treatment, thousands of unnecessary deaths, no end in sight to the pandemic, increased possibility of a variant that the current vaccines are not effective against

3) let the people go about their regular lives but limit certain, more risky activity (indoor spaces, large crowds) to those who are vaccinated

Which of these options has the LEAST negative consequences for the smallest number of people?

With the first one, EVERYONE suffers - even more people would lose their jobs.

The second choice would be a decision that results in UNNECESSARY death and prolonging this pandemic indefinitely

While the third choice has its flaws, it involves the least negative consequences for the smallest number of people - limiting certain activities for people that freely choose NOT to be vaccinated. If you happen to work in an industry that has a higher risk (whether it is an indoor arena or working with the elderly), yes you may lose your job. And that sucks. But sometimes your freedom to do whatever you want is limited when your choices can harm others. People have accepted that you cannot smoke indoors because the smoke will be inhaled by others. Similarly, if you choose to be unvaccinated and be a higher risk of transmitting COVID, then you cannot be in a crowded area where you are more likely to spread it.

It's not ideal, but its the best option we have. If anyone has a suggestion for another option than the three listed above, I would be happy to hear it.

[Blacksheep25]

More than 70% of black folks in NYC have chosen not to get vaccinated.

Where on earth did you get this statistic? It's just 100% false and not even close to being true.

Not to mention that Blacksheep25's comment had absolutely nothing to do with Kyrie's skin colour.

No, color had nothing to do with it. My comment was actually spurred by earlier in the day reading of a guy dying from Covid who had some big flat earther following. I laughed and couldn’t even remember what comment I had made that put a 16 in the notifications.

This guy was a flat earth evangelical preacher, which I didn’t know was a thing, but given his following, clearly it’s a rather large thing. His name was Ron Skiba. I heard never heard of him being a sane person.

He was like 52, looked perfectly healthy and normal weight, and now dead. Like all anti-vaxxers, his social media was chock full of a stream of misinformation.

What amazed me was the comments. The guy was clearly tragically wrong, yet his followers have this amazing stubborn stupidity that can only be described as a cult. They can’t accept he was an idiot, because that means they are also idiots.

Cults draw in a multicultural blend of the stupid and mentally unstable. They don’t discriminate.


So reading about another flat earther with poor flawed thinking, I made the comment. Certainly not race. White men without degrees make up the the largest number of unvaccinated by a wide margin. So clearly this is a cult that accepts anyone willing to march off the edge of the flat earth with them.

[Ugly0598]

As he should be. If he wants a scarlet letter for not taking the vaccine then give it to him.

I could give a **** less if he wants to die from the virus or not. His body his choice. Pretty ridiculous to me that we care so much about what he does.

"My body my choice" really loses a lot of credibility when you 'choice' directly impacts others around you and their health.

I dont give a **** if you dont get the vaccine and get Covid, I care about you not getting the vaccine and walking around living your life spreading the virus to others since it.....you know....gets transmitted by proximity, bacteria and air.

If you dont want the vaccine, fine, stay at home and never come out until we reach herd immunity.

I’m not some expert so show me an example or data on how a non-vaxxer spreads the virus more than a vaccinated person would? Idk like I said I’m kinda dumb but still lol.

And I understand the argument about filling up the healthcare system I suppose.

Just seems weird that a vaccinated person can’t spread things around like anyone else.

[HotelVitale]

This is a great question. And I understand it and struggle with it. My answer would be - the seriousness of the pandemic determines it. There is a debate about how serious COVID is. Still. I think many anti-Vaxers are also anti-maskers and were anti-shutdown. They just don’t see the same peril. So, in that case, their compliance is superfluous because they don’t think by not complying they are actually harming people. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm sympathetic to people not wanting to jump into medical measures, and to there being some ambiguity about the overall good of mandates, but it's not arguable that you're not harming people around you by refusing the vaccine. There's nothing ambiguous about that--COVID is a quick-transmitting disease with a high fatality rate and the vaccine makes transmission less likely and serious or fatal cases far less likely. For every person who's not vaccinated, COVID is stronger and more likely to continue spreading.

I can understand an argument that your body and health have to be your own domain, but I honestly think a lot of that is fed by a fantasy people like to maintain about how much of their life is theirs vs how much of it is fully governed by something else. Every single job has literally dozens of mandates that we all comply with every day. I don't have a very strict workplace but I have to show up at a certain time, maintain a certain appearance, document my work in certain ways; I'm under a constant mandate not to be racist, sexist, etc too, and we all know we're not allowed to act in certain ways in professional contexts that could damage our work goals. That's without even getting into the fact that we all follow thousands and city, county, state, and federal laws at all times, under permanent threat of fines, social shame, imprisonment, etc. None of us are our own people and our 'liberty' only concerns a very small, proscribed set of choices within lives that are structured by systems. I think people prefer not to see things that way.

Why are you a commie hater of America and FREEDOM!

Free Qyrie.

Lol, for real though my wife isn't American and I lived overseas a few times so it does help give you some perspective. People in other (developed) countries still do all the stuff we think is 'free'--people who like drinking drink, people who like chasing women/men and partying do that, people who have wacky philosophies or radical ideas still have them, people who like driving like a-holes still do that, etc. People also just generally have more of a sense of the obvious fact that we live in economic and social systems and that those structures most of our lives. There's a set of cultural practices and defense mechanisms that keep Americans from seeing that as a central fact, or often of going straight to 'yes but ours is good and shouldn't be thought about too much' when they do have to acknowledge it.

Not even trying to say other countries/cultures have things more figured out--they don't, and the point is just that they're just willing to talk about that and make it part of their daily consciousness. Just an odd American thing where everyone's like 'I create my own destiny!' rather than 'I have to make a few choices, given my cultural and class background, that will determine what my salary, family, etc will look like.'