2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 6) - with ROY poll

MotownMadness · Post #1001 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:49 pm

ocelot17 wrote:

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I got a good convo going on that tweet

Sane · Post #1002 » by **Sane** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:57 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Jalen Green is really really really good. There hasn't been a player like him in years if he continues playing like this.

Unless you count Tatum and Brown SG, there hasn't been a SG with can score and be a positive defender. We've practically gone a whole generation without star two way shooting guards.

There have been a lot of elite scoring (Mitchell), elite shooting (Booker), elite offense (Harden) without much D.

Unless hes really developed big time as a defender already im not sure about trying to compare him to two way star players. Hes gonna be a really good player but he looked literally awful defensively when i seen him earlier.

He’s developed big time. He’s the rookie leader in iso defense minimum 60 games.

His only issue right now is muscle, an easy fix. He’s already put on muscle during the season.

Madhouse · Post #1003 » by **Madhouse** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:05 pm

Sane wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Jalen Green is really really really good. There hasn't been a player like him in years if he continues playing like this.

Unless you count Tatum and Brown SG, there hasn't been a SG with can score and be a positive defender. We've practically gone a whole generation without star two way shooting guards.

There have been a lot of elite scoring (Mitchell), elite shooting (Booker), elite offense (Harden) without much D.

Unless hes really developed big time as a defender already im not sure about trying to compare him to two way star players. Hes gonna be a really good player but he looked literally awful defensively when i seen him earlier.

He’s developed big time. He’s the rookie leader in iso defense minimum 60 games.

His only issue right now is muscle, an easy fix. He’s already put on muscle during the season.

Even as a big believer in Green, his defense is still really bad. All advanced metrics back that up. -3.1 defensive Raptor and -2.4 defensive EPM is really bad but he has improved and is not as bad as he was in 2021. He still has a long way to go on the defensive end.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1004 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:13 pm

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CptCrunch · Post #1005 » by **CptCrunch** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:54 pm

Madhouse wrote:
Sane wrote:
MotownMadness wrote: Unless hes really developed big time as a defender already im not sure about trying to compare him to two way star players. Hes gonna be a really good player but he looked literally awful defensively when i seen him earlier.

He’s developed big time. He’s the rookie leader in iso defense minimum 60 games.

His only issue right now is muscle, an easy fix. He’s already put on muscle during the season.

Even as a big believer in Green, his defense is still really bad. All advanced metrics back that up. -3.1 defensive Raptor and -2.4 defensive EPM is really bad but he has improved and is not as bad as he was in 2021. He still has a long way to go on the defensive end.

Just fyi, none of them measures defense independent of team performance. In addition, aggregate level metrics like Raptor, EPM, DBPM do not really measure defense in any way, rather they measure statistics correlated with defense (Steal, Reb, Blk).

Plus no one is saying Green is an elite defender. He is however showing glimpse of elite defense which is something you don't see from rookie two guards, almost never ever.

whitehops · Post #1006 » by **whitehops** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:06 am

the pistons net rating since the all star break is -0.3.

reanimator · Post #1007 » by **reanimator** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:45 am

Cade Cunningham.

HumbleRen · Post #1008 » by **HumbleRen** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:45 am

Cade got my ROTY vote with this performance

The Moose · Post #1009 » by **The Moose** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:52 am

Cade had 5pts with 3:30 left in the 3rd qtr

up to 32 points now, phenomenal finish to this game from him

DroseReturnChi · Post #1010 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:54 am

yep im taking cade like jesus 34 pts. co roy with mobley. he is the exact archetype i covet someone who can put 20-5-5 with elite shooting and D.

JackTalkThai · Post #1011 » by **JackTalkThai** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:54 am

Cade was flat out dominant in the 2nd half against the Nets. Trading buckets with Durant. That was impressive to watch.

34 points
6 assists
2 steals

vege · Post #1012 » by **vege** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:57 am

Rookie of the month 100% guaranteed for Cade, he's finishing the year strong. I can't wait to see how good he will be next season, hopefully with a more competent team around him.

JackTalkThai · Post #1013 » by **JackTalkThai** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:57 am

I think Cade had 29 second half points. He scored the Pistons final 17 points of the game against a slew of double teams.

NYPiston · Post #1014 » by **NYPiston** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:59 am

If only he had guys who can knock down shots more consistently, the assist totals would be a lot higher.
One little gripe is that his rebounding dried up recently for some odd reason but everything else has been good.

vege · Post #1015 » by **vege** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:15 am

Cade numbers for the month of March

22.5 PPG
7.1 APG
6.1 RPG
47% FG
33.8% 3FG

Haters gonna hate, the guy has been good, all-star level good with plenty of room to improve.

Shock Defeat · Post #1016 » by **Shock Defeat** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:16 am

Sick game from Cade

vege · Post #1017 » by **vege** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:25 am

Watch on YouTube

tmorgan · Post #1018 » by **tmorgan** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:32 am

Oof. That was a serious 4th quarter.

(and we still lost… which is good)

CptCrunch · Post #1019 » by **CptCrunch** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:29 am

Incredible scoring performance from Cade.

His scoring is much more advanced than I had given him credit for.

His passing, in my opinion, still remains overrated.

Cade is playing much much much better than my pre-draft assessment. In a re-draft, I wouldn't feel horrible taking him #1 though Mobley is still #1 for me and any play from any player rest of the season won't change that.

Vampirate · Post #1020 » by **Vampirate** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:29 am

It's kind of crazy that I can actually imagine all 4 the top 4 picks turn into Superstars.

Who is the Rookie of the Year?