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Post#1001 » by Wingy » Sat May 27, 2023 8:46 am

Exp0sed wrote:that was precisely the plan i was proposing

The Spurs don't have assests in way of tradeable players but they have a ton of future firsts, from there it's just a question of working the phones.


It’s a fun thought on fantasy paper, but burns way too many assets for an unknown.

In 2 drafts, the Sonics/Thunder added KD, Russ, Serge Ibaka and were still 4th worst team in the league.

They’ll still suck with Wemby next year, and that’s ok.

Just get another stud prospect in 2024, then think about bundling those picks if Wemby’s showing the signs of panning out. Plus you want those powder dry and available in case something big becomes available with the new CBA and more punitive rules around the tax.
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Post#1002 » by Exp0sed » Sat May 27, 2023 12:28 pm

Wingy wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:that was precisely the plan i was proposing

The Spurs don't have assests in way of tradeable players but they have a ton of future firsts, from there it's just a question of working the phones.


It’s a fun thought on fantasy paper, but burns way too many assets for an unknown.

In 2 drafts, the Sonics/Thunder added KD, Russ, Serge Ibaka and were still 4th worst team in the league.

They’ll still suck with Wemby next year, and that’s ok.

Just get another stud prospect in 2024, then think about bundling those picks if Wemby’s showing the signs of panning out. Plus you want those powder dry and available in case something big becomes available with the new CBA and more punitive rules around the tax.


I disgaree, you can't argue that it's gonna "burn" assets - it depends on the deal

your OKC comp isn't apt imo, for one it was a brand new franchise
further more, KD couldn't bench press a single press at the combine and wasn't ready for adult grown up basketball whatsoever right of the gate and the Thunder's cast was downright awful - Spurs have some good pieces some of whom are ready to contribute right now (looking at u, Keldon!)

imo it's a very likely scenario that Wemby will be a real difference maker from day one (on both ends)
if that will turn out to be the case, their own picks would be devalued meaning: they'd get more for them rn then they will if the Spurs finish 8th and will be looking to deal those during the season or next offseason

I think it's far more likely for them to turn into a Dallas\Luka situation where Luka was too impactful too soon
they have other picks as well meaning - not their own, so they're in a better position than the Mavs were but if anything, that OKC comp (even if they did fall short of a title) is a good example for a core that gets drafted together and the fact that it creates a good chemhistry (usually)

btw, some of those draft picks the OKC played just weren't good players (looking at you uncle Jeff!)

by many reports a team like Portland is shopping their pick (and posibbily something like a #3 + Simons package) to get help for Dame rn

all the Spurs need to do is find a 3rd team that has the piece Portland are after and I doubt the #3 pick will cost them all that much. Spurs are also a relatively small market, the marketing oppurtunities and media attention to such a 1+2 duo would be pretty sick

like I said, i have no opinion of Scoot as a prospect but if the Spurs see him as a good\great prospect worthy of the 2nd\3rd pick and on paper his biggest issue (size) would probably be mitigated on a team fielding Wemby - they might just make a heck of a pair

let's consider this for asset mangement and tell me if u think this price is too high:

suppose the C's don't overcome the Heat and they want to trade Jaylen in fear of him walking as they will be reluctant to pay him the supermax

PDX should be all over Jayeln, right?
Spurs cough up a couple of 1sts and 2nds, Boston gets Simons and a couple of those spurs picks (maybe some more draft capital from PDX too)
PDX gets Jaylen

obviously there would be some more pieces and salary fillers but you get the general idea

how about Siakam? Kat? Lavine? all guys that could be available for the right price

if the it costs the Spurs only 2-3 1sts (with top 5-10 protection) and a couple of 2nds to get #3 from Portland, you don't think they should do it?

it's all about the price, if the deal is reasonable they should def pull the trigger (assuming they like Scoot as prospect, obviously the point is moot if they don't)

by all accounts Charlotte will not be picking Scoot and Portland is looking to deal that 3rd pick
if Spurs can nab that pick for a decent price - they should go for it imo
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Post#1003 » by Wingy » Sat May 27, 2023 1:06 pm

Exp0sed wrote:
Wingy wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:that was precisely the plan i was proposing

The Spurs don't have assests in way of tradeable players but they have a ton of future firsts, from there it's just a question of working the phones.


It’s a fun thought on fantasy paper, but burns way too many assets for an unknown.

In 2 drafts, the Sonics/Thunder added KD, Russ, Serge Ibaka and were still 4th worst team in the league.

They’ll still suck with Wemby next year, and that’s ok.

Just get another stud prospect in 2024, then think about bundling those picks if Wemby’s showing the signs of panning out. Plus you want those powder dry and available in case something big becomes available with the new CBA and more punitive rules around the tax.


I disgaree, you can't argue that it's gonna "burn" assets - it depends on the deal

your OKC comp isn't apt imo, for one it was a brand new franchise
further more, KD couldn't bench press a single press at the combine and wasn't ready for adult grown up basketball whatsoever right of the gate and the Thunder's cast was downright awful - Spurs have some good pieces some of whom are ready to contribute right now (looking at u, Keldon!)

imo it's a very likely scenario that Wemby will be a real difference maker from day one (on both ends)
if that will turn out to be the case, their own picks would be devalued meaning: they'd get more for them rn then they will if the Spurs finish 8th and will be looking to deal those during the season or next offseason

I think it's far more likely for them to turn into a Dallas\Luka situation where Luka was too impactful too soon
they have other picks as well meaning - not their own, so they're in a better position than the Mavs were but if anything, that OKC comp (even if they did fall short of a title) is a good example for a core that gets drafted together and the fact that it creates a good chemhistry (usually)

btw, some of those draft picks the OKC played just weren't good players (looking at you uncle Jeff!)

by many reports a team like Portland is shopping their pick (and posibbily something like a #3 + Simons package) to get help for Dame rn

all the Spurs need to do is find a 3rd team that has the piece Portland are after and I doubt the #3 pick will cost them all that much. Spurs are also a relatively small market, the marketing oppurtunities and media attention to such a 1+2 duo would be pretty sick

like I said, i have no opinion of Scoot as a prospect but if the Spurs see him as a good\great prospect worthy of the 2nd\3rd pick and on paper his biggest issue (size) would probably be mitigated on a team fielding Wemby - they might just make a heck of a pair

let's consider this for asset mangement and tell me if u think this price is too high:

suppose the C's don't overcome the Heat and they want to trade Jaylen in fear of him walking as they will be reluctant to pay him the supermax

PDX should be all over Jayeln, right?
Spurs cough up a couple of 1sts and 2nds, Boston gets Simons and a couple of those spurs picks (maybe some more draft capital from PDX too)
PDX gets Jaylen

obviously there would be some more pieces and salary fillers but you get the general idea

how about Siakam? Kat? Lavine? all guys that could be available for the right price

if the it costs the Spurs only 2-3 1sts (with top 5-10 protection) and a couple of 2nds to get #3 from Portland, you don't think they should do it?

it's all about the price, if the deal is reasonable they should def pull the trigger (assuming they like Scoot as prospect, obviously the point is moot if they don't)

by all accounts Charlotte will not be picking Scoot and Portland is looking to deal that 3rd pick
if Spurs can nab that pick for a decent price - they should go for it imo


Of course it depends on price, but these hypotheticals are all low ball, and unrealistic. The pieces out might also mean Keldon, and/or Vassell even in 3-team scenarios. The Wolves, Suns and to a lesser extent Cavs just blew up the market.

Celtics are the exact type of team that would want another immediate contributor like Keldon along with Simons. In most of these scenarios, the Blazers don’t need the Spurs. Boston or whoever would just take #3 for themselves. A top pick right now once realized > multiple future hypothetical picks.

Luka (and not even looking at what else they did w/the rest of the roster) moved the Mavs from 4th worst to 7th worst. Just suck again next year by not making a lot of moves other than some washed, good locker room vet mentors.

Sure if some amazing deal was available, you do it. Or if they really believe in Scott big time, then I’m all for any team that knows what it’s doing (the Spurs fit that mold) making the move even if it costs a lot. But as a stand alone concept, it feels more fun than a good idea.
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Post#1004 » by Exp0sed » Sat May 27, 2023 1:18 pm

Wingy wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:
Wingy wrote:



Of course it depends on price, but these hypotheticals are all low ball, and unrealistic. The pieces out might also mean Keldon, and/or Vassell even in 3-team scenarios. The Wolves, Suns and to a lesser extent Cavs just blew up the market.

Celtics are the exact type of team that would want another immediate contributor like Keldon along with Simons. In most of these scenarios, the Blazers don’t need the Spurs. Boston or whoever would just take #3 for themselves. A top pick right now once realized > multiple future hypothetical picks.

Luka (and not even looking at what else they did w/the rest of the roster) moved the Mavs from 4th worst to 7th worst. Just suck again next year by not making a lot of moves other than some washed, good locker room vet mentors.

Sure if some amazing deal was available, you do it. Or if they really believe in Scott big time, then I’m all for any team that knows what it’s doing (the Spurs fit that mold) making the move even if it costs a lot. But as a stand alone concept, it feels more fun than a good idea.


I agree that for alot of those deals a team like Portland doesn't need the Spurs and might work it out but a team like Boston, if they do decide to make an asset management move and shuffle Jaylen - they don't want the 3rd pick (or Simons for that matter) as they will be looking to retool and compete for a championship, the 3rd pick isn't what they're after one bit - and that's where the Spurs can come into play

i'm not saying it's a must do deal or anything, just that i would keep my eyes and ears peeled if i was in the Spurs shoes, I think an opportunity will present itself for them and they would be better off working under the assumption that Wemby is "him", cuz he sure as s*** looks like it :)

Raps are also a good candidate, depending on which direction they wanna take
Siakam would be a very good option for PDX hypotethically

I think the Raps will gladly take Simons and a couple of picks for Siakam (whose only signed for a couple more season like Jaylen anyway)

I don't think it's a low-ball offer btw, since Brown is only under limited team control going forward
but it can be sweetened up some, if needed
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Post#1005 » by UcanUwill » Sun May 28, 2023 3:32 pm

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Post#1007 » by damanick10 » Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm

He never has a bad game. Even if his offense isn't clicking his defense will still be all world.
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Post#1008 » by Exp0sed » Sun May 28, 2023 10:16 pm

damanick10 wrote:He never has a bad game. Even if his offense isn't clicking his defense will still be all world.


his offense is gonna be great in the NBA, this kid will have star impact from day one and superstar impact once he bulks up a bit and learns the ropes. from what we've seen and heard - he's an extremely fast learner

he just needs to stay healthy, if he can do that - the Spurs are gonna enjoy this kid for a long time
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Post#1009 » by Pachinko_ » Sun May 28, 2023 11:33 pm

Ηe will score way easier in the NBA
There's more space, more possessions, and the softest refs and rules in the world
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Post#1010 » by Knicks365247 » Mon May 29, 2023 8:16 am

How about…

In 2025 Luka forces his way to the Spurs to play with WIMby and then Giannis opts out in 2025 offseason to sign with them in free agency.

Giannis/Luka/Wembanyama

You could have 2 lucky fans play with them each night and they’d still go 82-0 and 16-0! The lucky fans get to keep the jersey, which is signed by Giannis/Luka/Wembanyama! INSTANT COLLECTIBLE!

Btw guys I also love the idea of pairing Scoot with WIMby. Get that chemistry going from day 1! Let's Go Spurs!!! (now my 2nd favorite team, and #1 League Pass Team!!!)
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Post#1011 » by Exp0sed » Mon May 29, 2023 9:38 am

Pachinko_ wrote:Ηe will score way easier in the NBA
There's more space, more possessions, and the softest refs and rules in the world


right on, that's 100% true

he will also have a longer leash to learn and experiment in the NBA as he's development will the focal point of the franchise
in France he's just passing through and the team's objectives are higher on the list of priorities than is his development
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Post#1012 » by DwayneSchintzus » Tue May 30, 2023 3:39 pm

it says a lot about the nba and its fans in 2023 that a thread to discuss one of the greatest prospects of all-time coming to the perfect organization for his development has devolved into a bunch of 2K armchair GM'ing.

Be patient, we have all the time in the world to build a team around him. And the Spurs will, you can trust.
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Post#1013 » by HMFFL » Tue May 30, 2023 4:00 pm

Months ago I wasn't unsure what the future for the Spurs would be until now. Depending on his mindset this franchise is now ready for their next chapter.

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Post#1014 » by Pachinko_ » Tue May 30, 2023 4:03 pm

DwayneSchintzus wrote:it says a lot about the nba and its fans in 2023 that a thread to discuss one of the greatest prospects of all-time coming to the perfect organization for his development has devolved into a bunch of 2K armchair GM'ing.

Are you surprised that people are playing GM in a website called "RealGM"? :D
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Post#1015 » by DwayneSchintzus » Tue May 30, 2023 5:01 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
DwayneSchintzus wrote:it says a lot about the nba and its fans in 2023 that a thread to discuss one of the greatest prospects of all-time coming to the perfect organization for his development has devolved into a bunch of 2K armchair GM'ing.

Are you surprised that people are playing GM in a website called "RealGM"? :D


Fair! :lol:
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Post#1016 » by UcanUwill » Tue May 30, 2023 8:36 pm

Human game from Wemby, but his team is 2-0 and one game away from finals, where they would most likely meet Monaco, who finished third in Euroleague this season.
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Post#1017 » by Castle Black » Tue May 30, 2023 9:38 pm

Not his strongest outing, but not surprising given the way they pack the paint against him and double him in the post. I can’t wait to see what he does in the NBA when there’s much more space to operate and more possessions.

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Post#1018 » by UcanUwill » Tue May 30, 2023 9:45 pm

Castle Black wrote:Not his strongest outing, but not surprising given the way they pack the paint against him and double him in the post. I can’t wait to see what he does in the NBA when there’s much more space to operate and more possessions.

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He played exactly like I play with him in 2k, just go inside and dunk it :lol: Hope he learns from JJJ, JJJ was this guy who had massive potential but was just floating around perimeter, until he realized he is 7 feet tall and more athletic than anyone else... Wemby should just try to go to the rim and do not settle for stupid fadeaways, pull ups and contested 3s, he has tools to always create a better shot than that.
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Post#1019 » by CobraCommander » Tue May 30, 2023 11:23 pm

damanick10 wrote:He never has a bad game. Even if his offense isn't clicking his defense will still be all world.

Y’all got him 4th in the league already? Behind Giannis, Jokic, Embiid and ahead of Curry, KD, LBJ, ?
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Post#1020 » by CobraCommander » Tue May 30, 2023 11:25 pm

DwayneSchintzus wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
DwayneSchintzus wrote:it says a lot about the nba and its fans in 2023 that a thread to discuss one of the greatest prospects of all-time coming to the perfect organization for his development has devolved into a bunch of 2K armchair GM'ing.

Are you surprised that people are playing GM in a website called "RealGM"? :D


Fair! :lol:

It’s what we do lol

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