NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[GrandTheftRondo]

It's wild what one great game in the middle of the season against a terrible team can do for those odds. Before that game both Embiid and Joker were running at +200. Lots of people betting on emotion.

The way in which over the last couple of years people want to attribute MVPs to players based off a single game or two is ridiculous.

I hope the actual voters aren’t so easily swayed but I doubt it.

Embiid is the frontrunner but the 70 point outburst should have absolutely minimal bearing on that.

stop it lmfao, Embiid is not the "frontrunner" because of one stat padding game in which he took 40 shots and went 20 times to the line.

he's played almost 10 less games than Jokic and SGA, don't be ridicilous
do team records not matter anymore?

say the Nuggets (or the Thunder) end up winning the West and Philly is 3rd in the East - do u think Embiid wins it then?
because...what? because he scores a few more PPG while taking a few more shots? big whoop

Embiid should win the scoring title as he has in the past, he def deserves that but that's about it. that's all you get for jacking up shots.

If Embiid meets the 65 game threshold barring some unforeseen drop off in his performances, he will win the MVP.

You can deny it all you like.

[Exp0sed]

The way in which over the last couple of years people want to attribute MVPs to players based off a single game or two is ridiculous.

I hope the actual voters aren’t so easily swayed but I doubt it.

Embiid is the frontrunner but the 70 point outburst should have absolutely minimal bearing on that.

stop it lmfao, Embiid is not the "frontrunner" because of one stat padding game in which he took 40 shots and went 20 times to the line.

he's played almost 10 less games than Jokic and SGA, don't be ridicilous
do team records not matter anymore?

say the Nuggets (or the Thunder) end up winning the West and Philly is 3rd in the East - do u think Embiid wins it then?
because...what? because he scores a few more PPG while taking a few more shots? big whoop

Embiid should win the scoring title as he has in the past, he def deserves that but that's about it. that's all you get for jacking up shots.

If Embiid meets the 65 game threshold barring some unforeseen drop off in his performances, he will win the MVP.

You can deny it all you like.

well, there's still half a season to play so alot can still happen but as it stands rn I don't need to "deny" it - it won't happen...
all the voters were voting last season too, nobody is going to make a fool of himself twice in a row

fwiw, for me as a hater it'd be the perfect scenario. meaning - Embiid wins back to back MVP (without getting out, ever, out of the 2nd rd) and fails again to do it in the postseason - that would be epic.

to ur point, he's not winning MVP playing 65 games when there are other players who have been just as good per game but played 75+ games, while also having inferior seeding to those guys

that's never happening...

i'm a Euro and I coudn't care less who wins it, MVP is an American thing

like it wasn't enough for Embiid to post the biggest drop off ever in scoring for an MVP, he's trying to outdo himself this season

get ur popcorn ready!

[Chokic]

stop it lmfao, Embiid is not the "frontrunner" because of one stat padding game in which he took 40 shots and went 20 times to the line.

he's played almost 10 less games than Jokic and SGA, don't be ridicilous
do team records not matter anymore?

say the Nuggets (or the Thunder) end up winning the West and Philly is 3rd in the East - do u think Embiid wins it then?
because...what? because he scores a few more PPG while taking a few more shots? big whoop

Embiid should win the scoring title as he has in the past, he def deserves that but that's about it. that's all you get for jacking up shots.

If Embiid meets the 65 game threshold barring some unforeseen drop off in his performances, he will win the MVP.

You can deny it all you like.

well, there's still half a season to play so alot can still happen but as it stands rn I don't need to "deny" it - it won't happen...
all the voters were voting last season too, nobody is going to make a fool of himself twice in a row

fwiw, for me as a hater it'd be the perfect scenario. meaning - Embiid wins back to back MVP (without getting out, ever, out of the 2nd rd) and fails again to do it in the postseason - that would be epic.

to ur point, he's not winning MVP playing 65 games when there are other players who have been just as good per game but played 75+ games, while also having inferior seeding to those guys

that's never happening...

i'm a Euro and I coudn't care less who wins it, MVP is an American thing

like it wasn't enough for Embiid to post the biggest drop off ever in scoring for an MVP, he's trying to outdo himself this season

get ur popcorn ready!

There's nobody playing close to Embiid this season. He has the best statistical season in the modern era. The only reasons the odds are close is bc they are banking on the fact he may miss the games played threshold. As the season winds down in the final homestretch in order fo safeguard his health w/o riskinf injury going into postseason and to secure his mvp they can still check embiid in into the game for few minutes and pull him out to meet the games played threshold.

[The-Power]

i'm a Euro and I coudn't care less who wins it, MVP is an American thing

You sure don't sound like it.

[Wolfgang630]

If Embiid meets the 65 game threshold barring some unforeseen drop off in his performances, he will win the MVP.

You can deny it all you like.

well, there's still half a season to play so alot can still happen but as it stands rn I don't need to "deny" it - it won't happen...
all the voters were voting last season too, nobody is going to make a fool of himself twice in a row

fwiw, for me as a hater it'd be the perfect scenario. meaning - Embiid wins back to back MVP (without getting out, ever, out of the 2nd rd) and fails again to do it in the postseason - that would be epic.

to ur point, he's not winning MVP playing 65 games when there are other players who have been just as good per game but played 75+ games, while also having inferior seeding to those guys

that's never happening...

i'm a Euro and I coudn't care less who wins it, MVP is an American thing

like it wasn't enough for Embiid to post the biggest drop off ever in scoring for an MVP, he's trying to outdo himself this season

get ur popcorn ready!

There's nobody playing close to Embiid this season. He has the best statistical season in the modern era. The only reasons the odds are close is bc they are banking on the fact he may miss the games played threshold. As the season winds down in the final homestretch in order fo safeguard his health w/o riskinf injury going into postseason and to secure his mvp they can still check embiid in into the game for few minutes and pull him out to meet the games played threshold.

No they can’t check him in for a few minutes. I believe he has to play a minimum of 15 minutes for the game to require and at that point you’re either playing the whole game or hurting your stats if you only play 15 minutes.

[Exp0sed]

i'm a Euro and I coudn't care less who wins it, MVP is an American thing

You sure don't sound like it.

well, I don't. just because I like debating on who should win doesn't mean I care, as in - have some kind of emotional reaction if one guys wins it or the other, because that's simply not the case but you can believe what u want, no skin off my bones

[Exp0sed]

If Embiid meets the 65 game threshold barring some unforeseen drop off in his performances, he will win the MVP.

You can deny it all you like.

There's nobody playing close to Embiid this season. He has the best statistical season in the modern era. The only reasons the odds are close is bc they are banking on the fact he may miss the games played threshold. As the season winds down in the final homestretch in order fo safeguard his health w/o riskinf injury going into postseason and to secure his mvp they can still check embiid in into the game for few minutes and pull him out to meet the games played threshold.

how do u figure that?
apart from his scoring what's so good or so unique ("statistically") about Embiid's current season?

edit: u realize Embiid is posting a career high 39% usage rate, topping his already very high 37% last season
the only one in the league whose even close to that is Luka at 35.9%. Giannis is around 32%, SGA 31.4%, Tatum at 29.3% and Jokic 29%

now let's play a little game:
Joe L had 37% when he was stat padding during the rs last season but in the playoffs that plummeted to 30%
is that the way you think it's supposed to go? haha

do u think we'll see him at 40% usage in the playoffs this postseason as well? fat chance of that..he can't handle it for a whole playoff run, he can't even sustain it for two weeks straight, which is why he's resting and ducking all the time

man, I can't wait to the playoffs this season the Embiid stans doing mental gymnastics are gonna be glorious and hella entertaining

[Jaqua92]

If Embiid meets the 65 game threshold barring some unforeseen drop off in his performances, he will win the MVP.

You can deny it all you like.

well, there's still half a season to play so alot can still happen but as it stands rn I don't need to "deny" it - it won't happen...
all the voters were voting last season too, nobody is going to make a fool of himself twice in a row

fwiw, for me as a hater it'd be the perfect scenario. meaning - Embiid wins back to back MVP (without getting out, ever, out of the 2nd rd) and fails again to do it in the postseason - that would be epic.

to ur point, he's not winning MVP playing 65 games when there are other players who have been just as good per game but played 75+ games, while also having inferior seeding to those guys

that's never happening...

i'm a Euro and I coudn't care less who wins it, MVP is an American thing

like it wasn't enough for Embiid to post the biggest drop off ever in scoring for an MVP, he's trying to outdo himself this season

get ur popcorn ready!

There's nobody playing close to Embiid this season. He has the best statistical season in the modern era. The only reasons the odds are close is bc they are banking on the fact he may miss the games played threshold. As the season winds down in the final homestretch in order fo safeguard his health w/o riskinf injury going into postseason and to secure his mvp they can still check embiid in into the game for few minutes and pull him out to meet the games played threshold.

Embiid's PER is the best of the modern era. There's not one other impact statistic of his that's the best of the modern era, hell, most of them aren't even the best of the season.

This take that he's having the best statistical season of the modern era is not validated by any statistic.

[Jaqua92]

I think he was doing that intentionally lol...

I have deemed Joel Embiid as disqualified from winning the award this year after having the worst playoff drop off for an mvp in nba history

Unfortunately the voters don't care as it's a regular season award. You also don't seem to care that he has been injured for most of his post season runs.

The voters cared last year. "No 3x MVP has ever not made the finals" this was an ongoing narrative.

[Chokic]

I have deemed Joel Embiid as disqualified from winning the award this year after having the worst playoff drop off for an mvp in nba history

Unfortunately the voters don't care as it's a regular season award. You also don't seem to care that he has been injured for most of his post season runs.

The voters cared last year. "No 3x MVP has ever not made the finals" this was an ongoing narrative.

Winning your 1st is different than going for your 3rd.
The standards for mvp get higher as you reach a rarer exlcusive club of nba pantheons.

[losmi]

Unfortunately the voters don't care as it's a regular season award. You also don't seem to care that he has been injured for most of his post season runs.

The voters cared last year. "No 3x MVP has ever not made the finals" this was an ongoing narrative.

Winning your 1st is different than going for your 3rd.
The standards for mvp get higher as you reach a rarer exlcusive club of nba pantheons.

And what are the standards for the 2nd? Does a 30yo who's never had a single good playoff series qualify?

[bebopdeluxe]

I think he was doing that intentionally lol...

I have deemed Joel Embiid as disqualified from winning the award this year after having the worst playoff drop off for an mvp in nba history

Unfortunately the voters don't care as it's a regular season award. You also don't seem to care that he has been injured for most of his post season runs.

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

[Chokic]

The voters cared last year. "No 3x MVP has ever not made the finals" this was an ongoing narrative.

Winning your 1st is different than going for your 3rd.
The standards for mvp get higher as you reach a rarer exlcusive club of nba pantheons.

And what are the standards for the 2nd? Does a 30yo who's never had a single good playoff series qualify?

Ppl can whine and cry about jokic was robbed of his 3rd mvp and should have won mvp last season but you can make the same argument that Embiid was robbed in 2022 instead of jokic. Jokic won w/ the media narrative that he did more w/ less(no murray and mpj) but the media completely ignored the sixers had a better record than nuggets despite playing in a stronger eastern conference and simmons(at the time 2nd best player) not playing and almost sabotaging the team.


So if it played out where jokic won 1st(2021) embiid won 2nd(2022) the rhetoric about jokic not having made the finals would have been used against him as the mvps have been split and jokic would have been going for his 2nd in 2023. Going for a 3peat mvp w/o a finals appearance and joining a exclusive club who actually won titles sets a bad precedent and tarnishes the accomplishment.

I think ppl are being too harsh on Embiid for his postseason woes. As already been stated ad nauseum he's been playing injured for most of his playoff runs. Based on how dominant hes been the past few seasons we have to at least give him the benefit of doubt that he would play much better when fully healthy. He hasnt shown any past indicatkon of mental choking like james harden. Let's see how he looks this playoffs after he wins his back to back mvp. If he's fully healthy and still loses w/ a competent head coach in nurse then he deserves all the criticism.

[AleksandarN]

I have deemed Joel Embiid as disqualified from winning the award this year after having the worst playoff drop off for an mvp in nba history

Unfortunately the voters don't care as it's a regular season award. You also don't seem to care that he has been injured for most of his post season runs.

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

Then you will starve

[iggymcfrack]

If Embiid meets the 65 game threshold barring some unforeseen drop off in his performances, he will win the MVP.

You can deny it all you like.

well, there's still half a season to play so alot can still happen but as it stands rn I don't need to "deny" it - it won't happen...
all the voters were voting last season too, nobody is going to make a fool of himself twice in a row

fwiw, for me as a hater it'd be the perfect scenario. meaning - Embiid wins back to back MVP (without getting out, ever, out of the 2nd rd) and fails again to do it in the postseason - that would be epic.

to ur point, he's not winning MVP playing 65 games when there are other players who have been just as good per game but played 75+ games, while also having inferior seeding to those guys

that's never happening...

i'm a Euro and I coudn't care less who wins it, MVP is an American thing

like it wasn't enough for Embiid to post the biggest drop off ever in scoring for an MVP, he's trying to outdo himself this season

get ur popcorn ready!

There's nobody playing close to Embiid this season. He has the best statistical season in the modern era. The only reasons the odds are close is bc they are banking on the fact he may miss the games played threshold. As the season winds down in the final homestretch in order fo safeguard his health w/o riskinf injury going into postseason and to secure his mvp they can still check embiid in into the game for few minutes and pull him out to meet the games played threshold.

Embiid has the best season ever on a per minute basis by the worst box score composite that’s been nothing but ridiculed on this forum every time it’s been brought up for the past decade. Jokic has the best season ever on a per minute basis by what’s universally regarded as the best box score composite on a per minute basis. Jokic has played 1480 minutes to Embiid’s 1096. Jokic has better impact numbers too.

I honestly don’t see the case for Embiid as MVP, period, let alone “nobody close”. Like if Embiid kept up his current level and Jokić missed the next 2 weeks, then their resumes would start to look similar. People are just caught up in the haze of a recent big number right now, but that will fade quickly. No one’s gonna care that Embiid scored the same number of points as Donovan Mitchell against one of the worst defenses in the league.

Remember when Kobe scored 81? That was a memorable number. The #2 scoring game of all time, done in a low scoring era. Like Embiid, Kobe finished with a huge scoring average. And he finished…. 4th in the MVP race. I mean obviously Embiid can get there, but I really don’t think his lead in the odds means anything right now. Saturday, the Sixers are at Denver and that will be the new dame to overreact to. If Jokić plays well in a win, he’ll take the lead back again.

[AleksandarN]

Winning your 1st is different than going for your 3rd.
The standards for mvp get higher as you reach a rarer exlcusive club of nba pantheons.

And what are the standards for the 2nd? Does a 30yo who's never had a single good playoff series qualify?

Ppl can whine and cry about jokic was robbed of his 3rd mvp and should have won mvp last season but you can make the same argument that Embiid was robbed in 2022 instead of jokic. Jokic won w/ the media narrative that he did more w/ less(no murray and mpj) but the media completely ignored the sixers had a better record than nuggets despite playing in a stronger eastern conference and simmons(at the time 2nd best player) not playing and almost sabotaging the team.


So if it played out where jokic won 1st(2021) embiid won 2nd(2022) the rhetoric about jokic not having made the finals would have been used against him as the mvps have been split and jokic would have been going for his 2nd in 2023. Going for a 3peat mvp w/o a finals appearance and joining a exclusive club who actually won titles sets a bad precedent and tarnishes the accomplishment.

I think ppl are being too harsh on Embiid for his postseason woes. As already been stated ad nauseum he's been playing injured for most of his playoff runs. Based on how dominant hes been the past few seasons we have to at least give him the benefit of doubt that he would play much better when fully healthy. He hasnt shown any past indicatkon of mental choking like james harden. Let's see how he looks this playoffs after he wins his back to back mvp. If he's fully healthy and still loses w/ a competent head coach in nurse then he deserves all the criticism.

False Jokic had the better season in 2022. Played better contributed to more wins than Embiid. Or do you think Embiid should get credit for wins he was not playing. You can’t have it both ways. Missing your best player and your second best player while contributing more wins than Embiid. Plus having the better season which bares out statistically. So tell me how Embiid should have won in 2022 over Jokic.

[Bum Adebayo]

Winning your 1st is different than going for your 3rd.
The standards for mvp get higher as you reach a rarer exlcusive club of nba pantheons.

And what are the standards for the 2nd? Does a 30yo who's never had a single good playoff series qualify?

Ppl can whine and cry about jokic was robbed of his 3rd mvp and should have won mvp last season but you can make the same argument that Embiid was robbed in 2022 instead of jokic. Jokic won w/ the media narrative that he did more w/ less(no murray and mpj) but the media completely ignored the sixers had a better record than nuggets despite playing in a stronger eastern conference and simmons(at the time 2nd best player) not playing and almost sabotaging the team.


So if it played out where jokic won 1st(2021) embiid won 2nd(2022) the rhetoric about jokic not having made the finals would have been used against him as the mvps have been split and jokic would have been going for his 2nd in 2023. Going for a 3peat mvp w/o a finals appearance and joining a exclusive club who actually won titles sets a bad precedent and tarnishes the accomplishment.

I think ppl are being too harsh on Embiid for his postseason woes. As already been stated ad nauseum he's been playing injured for most of his playoff runs. Based on how dominant hes been the past few seasons we have to at least give him the benefit of doubt that he would play much better when fully healthy. He hasnt shown any past indicatkon of mental choking like james harden. Let's see how he looks this playoffs after he wins his back to back mvp. If he's fully healthy and still loses w/ a competent head coach in nurse then he deserves all the criticism.

He has shown that yes, by making considerably worse decisions on the court, taking much worse shots against the likes of Horford, etc. He has played worse in playoffs and that is a fact. Embiid has some ridiculous hate on this board, but his defenders also like to give him a pass and make it seem his issue has mainly been injuries, this is false.
Game 7 last year is the textbook definition of mental choking.

[bebopdeluxe]

Unfortunately the voters don't care as it's a regular season award. You also don't seem to care that he has been injured for most of his post season runs.

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

Then you will starve

Talk about living rent-free in someone's head.

Bye.

[losmi]

Winning your 1st is different than going for your 3rd.
The standards for mvp get higher as you reach a rarer exlcusive club of nba pantheons.

And what are the standards for the 2nd? Does a 30yo who's never had a single good playoff series qualify?

Ppl can whine and cry about jokic was robbed of his 3rd mvp and should have won mvp last season but you can make the same argument that Embiid was robbed in 2022 instead of jokic. Jokic won w/ the media narrative that he did more w/ less(no murray and mpj) but the media completely ignored the sixers had a better record than nuggets despite playing in a stronger eastern conference and simmons(at the time 2nd best player) not playing and almost sabotaging the team.


So if it played out where jokic won 1st(2021) embiid won 2nd(2022) the rhetoric about jokic not having made the finals would have been used against him as the mvps have been split and jokic would have been going for his 2nd in 2023. Going for a 3peat mvp w/o a finals appearance and joining a exclusive club who actually won titles sets a bad precedent and tarnishes the accomplishment.

I think ppl are being too harsh on Embiid for his postseason woes. As already been stated ad nauseum he's been playing injured for most of his playoff runs. Based on how dominant hes been the past few seasons we have to at least give him the benefit of doubt that he would play much better when fully healthy. He hasnt shown any past indicatkon of mental choking like james harden. Let's see how he looks this playoffs after he wins his back to back mvp. If he's fully healthy and still loses w/ a competent head coach in nurse then he deserves all the criticism.

The thing is, you'll never see a healthy Embiid in the playoffs. He'll always say he was injured or sick. And he'll usually also blame someone else. It all started in 2019 when he was "sick" every other game while doing airplanes in between, and repeats every year but people for some reason refuse to see through his fraud. Last year, he blamed role players although he was the worst player on the floor in game 7. This year, after another 1st or 2nd round exit and embarrassing performance, he'll say he was sick and also blame Tobias Harris.

[Woodsanity]

Winning your 1st is different than going for your 3rd.
The standards for mvp get higher as you reach a rarer exlcusive club of nba pantheons.

And what are the standards for the 2nd? Does a 30yo who's never had a single good playoff series qualify?

Ppl can whine and cry about jokic was robbed of his 3rd mvp and should have won mvp last season but you can make the same argument that Embiid was robbed in 2022 instead of jokic. Jokic won w/ the media narrative that he did more w/ less(no murray and mpj) but the media completely ignored the sixers had a better record than nuggets despite playing in a stronger eastern conference and simmons(at the time 2nd best player) not playing and almost sabotaging the team.


So if it played out where jokic won 1st(2021) embiid won 2nd(2022) the rhetoric about jokic not having made the finals would have been used against him as the mvps have been split and jokic would have been going for his 2nd in 2023. Going for a 3peat mvp w/o a finals appearance and joining a exclusive club who actually won titles sets a bad precedent and tarnishes the accomplishment.

I think ppl are being too harsh on Embiid for his postseason woes. As already been stated ad nauseum he's been playing injured for most of his playoff runs. Based on how dominant hes been the past few seasons we have to at least give him the benefit of doubt that he would play much better when fully healthy. He hasnt shown any past indicatkon of mental choking like james harden. Let's see how he looks this playoffs after he wins his back to back mvp. If he's fully healthy and still loses w/ a competent head coach in nurse then he deserves all the criticism.

His only good playoff run was against the Celtics and he got swept so you are wrong.

I will say it again.

Embiid is the Harden of centers but more injury prone, less playoff success and an even bigger choker.

Keep disrespecting Harden when he has done way more in the playoffs than Embiid ever has and helped Embiid win two games against the Celtics while Embiid did nil.

Once Embiid chokes again this postseason I wonder who you will scapegoat this time. Probably Maxey or Nick Nurse.

Embiid stans are duckers just like Embiid.

Its always the same. Embiid chokes. His fans disappear until regular season starts. They hype up his regular season. Rinse and repeat his entire career.