NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

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Who is leading the race for MVP? (players listed in alphabetical order)

Giannis Antetokounmpo
46
13%
Jalen Brunson
10
3%
Luka Doncic
62
18%
Anthony Edwards
5
1%
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
63
18%
Nikola Jokic
130
37%
Kawhi Leonard
6
2%
Donovan Mitchell
2
1%
Jayson Tatum
24
7%
Other (Haliburton, Durant, Booker, Curry, Sabonis, Lebron, etc.)
6
2%
 
Total votes: 354

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Post#1001 » by GeorgeSears » Wed Mar 6, 2024 8:56 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:All this talk of “OKC with the better record” has been silly because it’s never been more than 1-2 games more and they are tied right now. Standings can have an impact but when teams are so close that they flip flop every other day, it’s sort of useless to use in a guys favor.

OKC exceeded expectations, significantly, went from lottery to top seed in an instant, and SGA in THE guy there.
This is a very close 2 man race, and will stay like this till the end.


That has A LOT to do with Chet Holmgren. SGA is having a better season than last and he was top 5 last season. But it's really the Chet Holmgren factor on the offensive end that has made this team lethal. You take him out, and replace him with someone like Banchero, and they're nowhere near as good.
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Post#1002 » by Wolfgang630 » Wed Mar 6, 2024 10:45 pm

I swear if the refs called Denver games with the foul calls they deserved their record would be another 3-4 games better.
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Post#1003 » by J-Mezzy » Thu Mar 7, 2024 2:36 am

What about Mosley from the magic for COY
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Post#1004 » by Gregoire » Thu Mar 7, 2024 6:06 am

Joker is a monster, best player in the league!!

All-time peaks:

1. 91 Jordan
2. 00 Shaq
2. 24 Jokic
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Post#1005 » by The-Power » Thu Mar 7, 2024 7:16 am

GeorgeSears wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:All this talk of “OKC with the better record” has been silly because it’s never been more than 1-2 games more and they are tied right now. Standings can have an impact but when teams are so close that they flip flop every other day, it’s sort of useless to use in a guys favor.

OKC exceeded expectations, significantly, went from lottery to top seed in an instant, and SGA in THE guy there.
This is a very close 2 man race, and will stay like this till the end.


That has A LOT to do with Chet Holmgren. SGA is having a better season than last and he was top 5 last season. But it's really the Chet Holmgren factor on the offensive end that has made this team lethal. You take him out, and replace him with someone like Banchero, and they're nowhere near as good.

It's a crude measure, of course, but the on/off net ratings paint a clear picture for OKC.

SGA ON, Chet ON: +10.6 (1306 minutes)
SGA ON, Chet OFF: +14.3 (726 minutes)
SGA OFF, Chet ON: +2.1 (503 minutes)

SGA ON, J-Dub ON: +11.5 (1119 minutes)
SGA ON, J-Dub OFF: +12.3 (915 minutes)
SGA OFF, J-Dub ON: -1.0 (608 minutes)

And just to really hammer the point down:

SGA ON, Chet OFF, J-Dub OFF: +12.3 (545 minutes)
SGA OFF, Chet ON, J-Dub ON: -2.6 (438 minutes)

Chet's arrival has clearly helped propel OKC, as has Williams' improvement. But by far the biggest driver of OKC's success is SGA and his ability to elevate all line-ups they throw out there. Success has many fathers and no single player deserves all the credit for it (that holds true for Jokic as well) but there are obviously levels to this and SGA is up there with anyone this season.
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Post#1006 » by baldur » Thu Mar 7, 2024 7:28 am

GeorgeSears wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:All this talk of “OKC with the better record” has been silly because it’s never been more than 1-2 games more and they are tied right now. Standings can have an impact but when teams are so close that they flip flop every other day, it’s sort of useless to use in a guys favor.

OKC exceeded expectations, significantly, went from lottery to top seed in an instant, and SGA in THE guy there.
This is a very close 2 man race, and will stay like this till the end.


That has A LOT to do with Chet Holmgren. SGA is having a better season than last and he was top 5 last season. But it's really the Chet Holmgren factor on the offensive end that has made this team lethal. You take him out, and replace him with someone like Banchero, and they're nowhere near as good.



I was expecting so say someone like poeltl or zubac. banchero is not much worse than holmgren.
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Post#1007 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Mar 7, 2024 9:01 am

Here's how the last straw poll looked on Feb 13.

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Since the straw poll, OKC is like 7-2 and Denver around 6-2. No real changes there.


Current MVP odds:

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Post#1008 » by Chokic » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:30 pm

baldur wrote:
GeorgeSears wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:OKC exceeded expectations, significantly, went from lottery to top seed in an instant, and SGA in THE guy there.
This is a very close 2 man race, and will stay like this till the end.


That has A LOT to do with Chet Holmgren. SGA is having a better season than last and he was top 5 last season. But it's really the Chet Holmgren factor on the offensive end that has made this team lethal. You take him out, and replace him with someone like Banchero, and they're nowhere near as good.



I was expecting so say someone like poeltl or zubac. banchero is not much worse than holmgren.




Yea I was confused by that one. Banchero is better than Holmgren.
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Post#1009 » by Woodsanity » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:40 pm

Give me a break. People were putting Holmgren over Sengun "easily" before.

Now you guys are saying Paolo is better than Holmgren?

Sorry but Sengun is way better than Paolo right now. So which is it?
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Post#1010 » by 5IVE5TAR5 » Thu Mar 7, 2024 4:59 pm

Big game tonight between Denver and Celtics. A potential finals preview, and a chance for Jokic to improve his MVP case.
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Post#1011 » by srhcan » Thu Mar 7, 2024 6:36 pm

Jokic is going to win it. But I would give it to Luka. His impact on his team's winning is much bigger than others.
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Post#1012 » by 5IVE5TAR5 » Thu Mar 7, 2024 7:47 pm

srhcan wrote:Jokic is going to win it. But I would give it to Luka. His impact on his team's winning is much bigger than others.


He's got to make the playoffs to win it right? I know he's between 8-10 right now every other day. At least 8th seed to win it right? No way if he's not in the playoffs. Maybe play in?


It's Luka or Jokic right now.
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Post#1013 » by HoopsterJones » Fri Mar 8, 2024 4:51 am

Jokic, SGA, Doncic, Giannis, and then Ant.
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Post#1014 » by LeBronSpaghetti » Fri Mar 8, 2024 5:28 am

Are the idiots at ESPN still gonna try to tell us how Tatum deserves MVP over Jokic?
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Post#1015 » by Woodsanity » Fri Mar 8, 2024 5:29 am

I don't want to hear Tatum and MVP in the same sentence again unless the sentence also contains not.
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Post#1016 » by QPR » Fri Mar 8, 2024 5:30 am

That should stop the media trying to shoehorn Tatum into the race.
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Post#1017 » by Jaqua92 » Fri Mar 8, 2024 5:31 am

The-Power wrote:
GeorgeSears wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:OKC exceeded expectations, significantly, went from lottery to top seed in an instant, and SGA in THE guy there.
This is a very close 2 man race, and will stay like this till the end.


That has A LOT to do with Chet Holmgren. SGA is having a better season than last and he was top 5 last season. But it's really the Chet Holmgren factor on the offensive end that has made this team lethal. You take him out, and replace him with someone like Banchero, and they're nowhere near as good.

It's a crude measure, of course, but the on/off net ratings paint a clear picture for OKC.

SGA ON, Chet ON: +10.6 (1306 minutes)
SGA ON, Chet OFF: +14.3 (726 minutes)
SGA OFF, Chet ON: +2.1 (503 minutes)

SGA ON, J-Dub ON: +11.5 (1119 minutes)
SGA ON, J-Dub OFF: +12.3 (915 minutes)
SGA OFF, J-Dub ON: -1.0 (608 minutes)

And just to really hammer the point down:

SGA ON, Chet OFF, J-Dub OFF: +12.3 (545 minutes)
SGA OFF, Chet ON, J-Dub ON: -2.6 (438 minutes)

Chet's arrival has clearly helped propel OKC, as has Williams' improvement. But by far the biggest driver of OKC's success is SGA and his ability to elevate all line-ups they throw out there. Success has many fathers and no single player deserves all the credit for it (that holds true for Jokic as well) but there are obviously levels to this and SGA is up there with anyone this season.


SGA isn't up there with Jokic lol
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Post#1018 » by rapstarter » Fri Mar 8, 2024 5:34 am

Tatum's PR team almost made it work, but Jokic and tonight happened.
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Post#1019 » by HoopsterJones » Fri Mar 8, 2024 5:37 am

Tatum getting 20 votes is embarrassing.
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Post#1020 » by HotRocks34 » Fri Mar 8, 2024 5:40 am

Big step forward for Jokic tonight.
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