ajones9219 wrote:Johnny Firpo wrote:ajones9219 wrote:
That isn't how the NBA works, especially when your core is literally the same. If you TRULY believe that literally no metrics are useful to compare the two teams then just go back to the Mavs board and come back once the games start. I'm not saying this to be mean, but literally what is the point of discussing the series if you're just going to say any discussion topics are just irrelevant.
I personally think any metrics are both fair game and relevant if Kyrie and Luka were on the floor.
There are definitely useful metrics, and it would start with looking at everything from the trade onward until the final, but so far I haven't really seen those stats. Looking at the two teams' playoff metrics could also tell us something, but so far most of what I've seen was full regular season stats vs. full regular season stats.
I posted this early in this thread and got about 5 replies as to why these numbers weren't relevant. The numbers actually make perfect sense to the eye test. Both Boston and Dallas got better post-deadline. Boston is still statistically the better team and you can even see the little dip in the playoffs once we lose Porzingis.
Full RS comparison:
Boston: 122.2 OFFRTG/110.6 DEFRTG/11.7 NETRTG
Dallas: 117.0 OFFRTG/114.9 DEFRTG/2.1 NETRTG
Post Deadline RS:
Boston: 125.5 OFFRTG/110.6 DEFRTG/14.6 NETRTG
Dallas: 115.8 OFFRTG/112.1 DEFRTG/3.7 NETRTG
Playoffs:
Boston: 119.6 OFFRTG/108.7 DEFRTG/10.8 NETRTG
Dallas: 115.2 OFFRTG/111.1 DEFRTG/4.1 NETRTG
Boston Rankings in playoffs: 2nd in OFFRTG/ 3rd in DEFRTG/ and 1st in NETRTG
Dallas Ranking in playoffs: 6th in OFFRTG/ 7th in DEFRTG/ 4th in NETRTG
H2H obviously favors Boston post trade deadline too with the 1 game being a 28 point Boston win.
I also would love to make it known that I find all the posts just saying LOLz Boston in 4 or Mavs in 4. Luka good, Tatum bad without providing data are completely absurd and just derail the conversations. I like to believe that I am presenting my opinions on the series in good faith just due to how the hard numbers shake out.
That's a little bit better, yeah, thank you. I still want to provide a little more context here, if you don't mind. When we played you guys post trade, we were actually in the middle of a terrible slid. During those roughly two weeks, we surrendered 133 to the Pacers, 121 to the Cavs, 125 to the Raptors, 120 to Philly, 137 to the Pacers, and 138 to you, within like 10 days or something like that. The team clearly didn't work then, and watching all the Mavs games this year, something has definitely clicked after that, and I feel this is a different team compared to that Mavs team. Obviously the same roster, and obviously, there is always a chance to get back to a lesser form, so I'm not entirely sure it cannot happen, it would just surprise me at this point, after this run, in a finals.
I am also hoping that the difference in the playoff net rating, which is no doubt significant, is somewhat of a result of the difference of the opponents. I don't really buy into the "Celtics had an easy road" narrative, because it's never easy to make the finals, and clearly the Celtics had to win some clutch games to get there. Teams can always muck it up, and you simply end up in low scoring games sometimes, even if you have the best offense. And when that happened, the Celtics still won, so clearly they are very, very good. Anyway, I think this series will come down how the Celtics defend the pick&roll, they rarely blitz, and I'm not entirely sure this will be a good idea against the Mavs (never putting two on the ball).
And on the other end, how will the Mavs defend the three point line? Dallas was kind of middle of the pack during the regular season, and kind of middle of the pack in the playoffs too, I think that might not be enough, and they will have to switch it up. Closing down the paint worked against OKC and the T-Wolves, but it didn't really work against the Clippers, and the Celtics are an even better shooting team. Therefore, we might see more Maxi and small ball from the Mavs this series, especially if the Celtics were to come out on fire and make a bunch of threes, and win game 1. So I think the Celtics might have to switch up their pick & roll D, especially if KP isn't 100%, which I kind of expect (he always needed a lot of time to get back into form after injuries), and I definitely feel we'll have to switch up our 3PT% defense, and be more aggressive on closeouts.