2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

[Triples333]

Durant and curry should be out of MVP discussion by default because they're on the same team.

This is hardens make up mvp for the one he was more deserving of two years ago.

Regardless of what he's doing now, Harden should have won in 2015. Led the league in win shares and was statistically better than Curry that season. He also took a much inferior Rockets team to a 2nd seed in the West.

Not sure about that. Statistically better? Odd comment when I'm looking at the two and Curry had him beat in PER, WS/48, BPM and VORP on higher shooting efficiency. Harden had a bigger load to carry but he did not carry them nearly as high as GS, so it's a bit of a moot point there. Curry's case was more in line with MVP's of the past and that was certainly no "robbery" of an award.

[evilpimp972]

If Harden keeps this up, voters have no choice but to give him the MVP. He should've gotten it in 2015.

No he shouldn't
He's playing better now

[Zombiesonics]

Harden - MVP. although I find both harden and westbrooks %tile in certain playtypes alarming to say the least.

[Edrees]

I still think Rockets team wins over OKC could narrow if Eric Gordon gets injured for an extended period of time. Calling his health a lock is a large mistake. If the stats are close and wins also ens up close the media are just dying to give it to Westbrook due to the Durant situation.

[ken6199]

1977 MVP: KAJ. All star backup C behind Dan Issel.
1982 MVP: Moses Malone. All star backup C behind KAJ.
1995 MVP: David Robinson. All star backup C behind Hakeem.
2005 MVP: Steve Nash. All star backup G behind Kobe and TMac.

2016 MVP: Will it happen for the 5th time?

[Teckon]

I still think Rockets team wins over OKC could narrow if Eric Gordon gets injured for an extended period of time. Calling his health a lock is a large mistake. If the stats are close and wins also ens up close the media are just dying to give it to Westbrook due to the Durant situation.

I hope Eric Gordon to be healthy the whole season. But if he did get injured, that means Harden has to do more and his stats will improve further even though Rockets may not win as many games. This means Harden may still have an edge if the MVP race is between Harden and Westbrook. However, if Rockets does not get enough wins, then a 3rd player like Lebron or Durant will come into the picture too.

[inquisitive]

RW's energy still amazes me. I liken him to Olajuwon. Never tired and playing a mile a minute each night.

[te887848]

Currently I'd say Durant is the runaway frontrunner with other players like LeBron and Harden, then Westbrook trailing him but still strong candidates as well.

[ChartFiction]

There's a bigger statistical gap between Durant and Curry than Lebron and Love.

Got to give a lot of credit to Harden for having great statistics plus having his team 3rd in the west given his teammates.

I think the three clear front runners at the end of the season will be Durant, Harden, and Westbrook and people will get mad no matter what. Durant will be on a 70 win team with competitive individual stats. Harden will have the "carried a bunch of roleplayers to a top seed" argument with competitive individual stats. and Westbrook will have the "I'm playing with trash and doing everything" argument with gaudy, historical numbers.

All three of them deserve it tbh.

[Johnny Firpo]

Durant's 26/9/5/1/2 average on 65%TS is no joke, but he is behind Harden for the moment.

[Warchant]

Rockets are on pace to win 59 games. At that pace, Harden is certainly the MVP. I think their number is 54-56 wins. Otherwise I think it's either LeBron or Leonard who are on pace to win over 60.

Westbrook needs to average a triple double to have a chance, even then they'll probably have to win 50. Right now they're on pace to win 48.

U mentioned the Cavs and SA but dont include either KD or Curry who have the best record in the NBA on pace for over 60 Ws...must b a GS hater

1. Durant and Curry are arguably not even the best players on their own team, due to playing with each other
2. They could lose Durant and still possibly win the west (like last year without an elite bench) because Curry/Klay can pick up scoring slack
3. Same could be said of losing Curry
4. I'm not sure either Durant or Curry are the most valuable on their own team, as Draymond is the guy they can least afford to lose
5. Neither Curry or Durant are "leading" their team. Draymond is the "alpha" leader of the team. At best, you could say it's by committee.

I do hate the Warriors, but I've hated a lot of teams and players that I conceded were great and deserved every bit of their recognition. Warriors are great, as a team and individually, but I'm not sure though by what metric of value can we determine that either Durant or Curry should be MVP over Kawhi or LeBron. There is a clear hierarchy on those teams with those guys at the top. LeBron and Kawhi are leaders, and are also both the best offensive and defensive players on their team.

Warriors are a dominant team that will probably win the title, but they're an all-star team. We don't need to recognize them as individuals when their three best players/scorers are all carrying a much lighter load than they're capable of.

For the record - I'd put Durant 6th in MVP voting right now behind Harden, Leonard, LeBron, Westbrook, Paul. For reference, Durant finished 5th in MVP voting last season, and had a better season than he is having this season. So it's not like my ranking is unprecedented.

KD is killing it this yr....FG%, 3 PT% and efficiency....defense is better and still avgng 25+ on that team....LB not even close in the MVP race IMO...u want 2 win MVP play games when ur not hurt early in the yr

[nbafan77]

U mentioned the Cavs and SA but dont include either KD or Curry who have the best record in the NBA on pace for over 60 Ws...must b a GS hater

1. Durant and Curry are arguably not even the best players on their own team, due to playing with each other
2. They could lose Durant and still possibly win the west (like last year without an elite bench) because Curry/Klay can pick up scoring slack
3. Same could be said of losing Curry
4. I'm not sure either Durant or Curry are the most valuable on their own team, as Draymond is the guy they can least afford to lose
5. Neither Curry or Durant are "leading" their team. Draymond is the "alpha" leader of the team. At best, you could say it's by committee.

I do hate the Warriors, but I've hated a lot of teams and players that I conceded were great and deserved every bit of their recognition. Warriors are great, as a team and individually, but I'm not sure though by what metric of value can we determine that either Durant or Curry should be MVP over Kawhi or LeBron. There is a clear hierarchy on those teams with those guys at the top. LeBron and Kawhi are leaders, and are also both the best offensive and defensive players on their team.

Warriors are a dominant team that will probably win the title, but they're an all-star team. We don't need to recognize them as individuals when their three best players/scorers are all carrying a much lighter load than they're capable of.

For the record - I'd put Durant 6th in MVP voting right now behind Harden, Leonard, LeBron, Westbrook, Paul. For reference, Durant finished 5th in MVP voting last season, and had a better season than he is having this season. So it's not like my ranking is unprecedented.

KD is killing it this yr....FG%, 3 PT% and efficiency....defense is better and still avgng 25+ on that team....LB not even close in the MVP race IMO...u want 2 win MVP play games when ur not hurt early in the yr

Lol at " he isn't even close in the MVP race"! LBJ is averaging 25/7/9 and he is the best defender is his team and the Cavs is just 2 games below GSW record, so I don't understand how he can't be in the race?


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[Warchant]

1. Durant and Curry are arguably not even the best players on their own team, due to playing with each other
2. They could lose Durant and still possibly win the west (like last year without an elite bench) because Curry/Klay can pick up scoring slack
3. Same could be said of losing Curry
4. I'm not sure either Durant or Curry are the most valuable on their own team, as Draymond is the guy they can least afford to lose
5. Neither Curry or Durant are "leading" their team. Draymond is the "alpha" leader of the team. At best, you could say it's by committee.

I do hate the Warriors, but I've hated a lot of teams and players that I conceded were great and deserved every bit of their recognition. Warriors are great, as a team and individually, but I'm not sure though by what metric of value can we determine that either Durant or Curry should be MVP over Kawhi or LeBron. There is a clear hierarchy on those teams with those guys at the top. LeBron and Kawhi are leaders, and are also both the best offensive and defensive players on their team.

Warriors are a dominant team that will probably win the title, but they're an all-star team. We don't need to recognize them as individuals when their three best players/scorers are all carrying a much lighter load than they're capable of.

For the record - I'd put Durant 6th in MVP voting right now behind Harden, Leonard, LeBron, Westbrook, Paul. For reference, Durant finished 5th in MVP voting last season, and had a better season than he is having this season. So it's not like my ranking is unprecedented.

KD is killing it this yr....FG%, 3 PT% and efficiency....defense is better and still avgng 25+ on that team....LB not even close in the MVP race IMO...u want 2 win MVP play games when ur not hurt early in the yr

Lol at " he isn't even close in the MVP race"! LBJ is averaging 25/7/9 and he is the best defender is his team and the Cavs is just 2 games below GSW record, so I don't understand how he can't be in the race?


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So u think they have that record just cause of LB? They have the highest salary in the NBA....also it doesnt mean much 2 b the best defender on the Cavs....they play no defense giving up 103 pts game...if u consider 4th or 5th close then I guess he shud b included....Westbrook, Harden, KD, DeRozan

[Rastas]

Harden
Lebron

Westbrook
Derozen
Durant

[Homer38]

KD is killing it this yr....FG%, 3 PT% and efficiency....defense is better and still avgng 25+ on that team....LB not even close in the MVP race IMO...u want 2 win MVP play games when ur not hurt early in the yr

Lol at " he isn't even close in the MVP race"! LBJ is averaging 25/7/9 and he is the best defender is his team and the Cavs is just 2 games below GSW record, so I don't understand how he can't be in the race?


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So u think they have that record just cause of LB? They have the highest salary in the NBA....also it doesnt mean much 2 b the best defender on the Cavs....they play no defense giving up 103 pts game...if u consider 4th or 5th close then I guess he shud b included....Westbrook, Harden, KD, DeRozan

The cavs are 20-6, so of course LeBron is in the race.

You remove LeBron from the Cavs, they are in the big trouble, you take KD out of the Warriors and the Warriors are still a big contender in this league.

My choice is Harden at the moment.

[miman15]

Harden is the clear leader at this moment...

But I would argue that Lebron and Durant are close 2d and 3rd (interchangeable). Lebrons the clear leader of the 1st team of the east and putting up 25, 9 and 8.

[Patches Perry]

I feel like Leonard is not getting enough credit. People do know the Spurs are on pace to win 67 games again, and they are only 1.5 games back of the Warriors? 2nd best team in the league? Leonard is clearly the best player on both ends for them, and he doesn't have another top 5 player by his side helping him (not even mentioning 2 additional top 15 players to go with it).

Harden is the clear favorite as long as Houston is slated to win 55+ or so. If they fall below the threshold, I think it's Leonard or LeBron. Both leaders, having good statistical seasons (both top 10 in PER), and their teams are elite. That's a good recipe for a typical MVP winner.

[ReasonablySober]

I don't think a lot of people realize what KD is doing on defense. Harden's been incredible, but I don't think it's close between him and KD.

[Patches Perry]

KD is killing it this yr....FG%, 3 PT% and efficiency....defense is better and still avgng 25+ on that team....LB not even close in the MVP race IMO...u want 2 win MVP play games when ur not hurt early in the yr

KD's FG% is about 3% higher than his prime usual, which is to be expected playing with so many other scorers/shooters and by extension more space, but other than that, he is having a standard KD season. He has shot better from the 3 in seasons past and shot better from FT in seasons past. His PER is currently the 4th best of his career. Nothing we haven't seen before from him. I think the whole Warriors/stacked team/not the leader angle will hurt him with voters as well, but I could be wrong about that.

[HeartBreakKid]

KD is killing it this yr....FG%, 3 PT% and efficiency....defense is better and still avgng 25+ on that team....LB not even close in the MVP race IMO...u want 2 win MVP play games when ur not hurt early in the yr

KD's FG% is about 3% higher than his prime usual, which is to be expected playing with so many other scorers/shooters and by extension more space, but other than that, he is having a standard KD season. He has shot better from the 3 in seasons past and shot better from FT in seasons past. His PER is currently the 4th best of his career. Nothing we haven't seen before from him. I think the whole Warriors/stacked team/not the leader angle will hurt him with voters as well, but I could be wrong about that.

Defense?


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