Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[bargnanimvp]

Yup. It's a joke. He doesn't want to play with lebron anymore because lebron just like cp3 doesn't tolerate nonsense. Same reason Blake got tired playing with cp3. They want to win finals not have fun collecting millions of dollars partying with the enemy. Old school vs new school. If you agree with that or not is a different question.

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It's pretty clear that he doesn't have any qualms playing with Lebron on the court. Everything seems to be about the lack of control he has in the franchise decisions, the fact that the Cavs bend their ass backwards for Lebron, have put him in trade talk for Lebron's sake and Lebron's future being uncertain brings a dark cloud over the franchise despite wielding all that power.

I think most of us would hate working in that environment. And if you can go somewhere else and collect your check, then why shouldn't you?

Not once was it ever the Cavs putting Kyrie in trade talks. It was always Lebron/Irving and everyone else is tradeable.

Also Lebrons future being uncertain should be a benefit for him. But another issue is that he knows without Lebron this Cavs team wouldn't even make the playoffs and he doesn't want to be stuck here with a maxed out team and no Lebron.

Its little brother scared his big bros leaving and wants the attention from mom and dad now.

this totally ignores the fact he nearly left in his last free agency over the cavs not commiting to building around him, and then he was upset they got lebron after signing him too. You just have a lebron bias narrative going here

[Dan Z]

this deal makes the most sense to me.
Bledsoe, Bender, Miami 2018 first-MAYBE 2021 Miami 1st for Irving

Clev saves a bunch of $, and still makes the FInals with Bledsoe. Bender gives them their first rebuild piece to build around post LBJ, and they add a pick.

Suns have a great offensive backcourt, and a great defensive front court

Dude they are gonna demand Jackson and the PHX front office has all but said he's off limits. No offense to Bender im sure he will have a solid career however Watson didnt exactly do him any favors last season by burying him behind guys like Alan Williams all year ..definilty got the Hezonja treatment

A Suns fan can answer this better than I can, but I think Bender dealt with injuries last year that's why his play was sporadic.

[Hello Brooklyn]

So I heard that Jackson could not be included until Aug 2nd correct?

I wonder IF that could be an indication as to why this deal is not done if it's starting to creep more and more and more towards there being a deal from CLE and PHX.

Honestly I think PHX would be silly to not do the deal if Cavs insist on Jackson. Yes he has some good potential, but Kyrie is already a proven all-star who is only 25 and may not even have peaked yet. Kyrie isn't a leader to me, but his game offensively is extraordinary.

It's a lot riskier to count on a rookie being great than it is to take the sure thing, Kyrie is proven. I was hesitant at first to let Wiggins go for Love bc of the what if factor, but the more I thought about it, Love was a beast, an all-star, Wiggins was unproven.I do not regret that trade one single bit.

Why would Phoenix make that trade when Kyrie doesn't want to be there?

Giving up Bledsoe is fine but Jackson is a big part of their future.

If Kyrie leaves in 2 years then there is no way thats worth it.

And there is no forseeable way for them to become contenders in the meantime and convince Kyrie to stay.

Who says Kyrie doesn't want to be there? Yes they weren't on his list, but things can change. Phoenix is an awesome place, and he is a 1hr flt from LA and Vegas. Plus Booker is a great young player to pair with without making Kyrie 2nd fiddle.

If Kyrie cared about winning a lot he wouldn't have demanded a trade. Nor would he want to go to the Knicks who are awful and have no great outlook on their future.

Not to mention Kyrie and his cryptic post today seeming pretty excited about a good chance at going to the Suns.

The Suns were about to throw tons of money at Blake Griffin so obviously they would enjoy having a marquee player to put in the seats

Kyrie said there are 4 teams he wants to play for.

Why would Kyrie stay on the Suns when they have no chance of contending in the short term? Even if he doesn't care about winning hes going to at least want to make the Playoffs.

Does anyone believe the Suns are a Playoff team with Kyrie/Booker.

If hes gonna lose he might as well go play for the Knicks in NYC.

You're going to give up Josh Jackson for the hope that Kyrie stays long term?

Seems foolish to me.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If I were another team I'd prefer Warren over Chriss, Bender.

He can turn into an effecient 20-6 guy as a preferred scoring option.

[NBARocks]

the Cavs should absolutely trade Kyrie for defensive players. They need a wing defender and a shot blocker. Brogdon, Middleton, Maker and a 1st for Kyrie could actually work. The Bucks would have their star in Kyrie since I think Giannis would be ok playing as the 2nd option and the Cavs would have the defensive players they need to bother GSW. altho the Cavs may regret this trade as the Bucks might actually give them the business.

[andyhop]

the Cavs should absolutely trade Kyrie for defensive players. They need a wing defender and a shot blocker. Brogdon, Middleton, Maker and a 1st for Kyrie could actually work. The Bucks would have their star in Kyrie since I think Giannis would be ok playing as the 2nd option and the Cavs would have the defensive players they need to bother GSW. altho the Cavs may regret this trade as the Bucks might actually give them the business.

I hope Giannis would have the balls to demand a trade if the Bucks did this no need for him to waste his career on a team that incompetent

[timdunkit]

Not once was it ever the Cavs putting Kyrie in trade talks. It was always Lebron/Irving and everyone else is tradeable.

Also Lebrons future being uncertain should be a benefit for him. But another issue is that he knows without Lebron this Cavs team wouldn't even make the playoffs and he doesn't want to be stuck here with a maxed out team and no Lebron.

Its little brother scared his big bros leaving and wants the attention from mom and dad now.

But that's not true.

There was a report that Lebron wanted him traded for CP3 2 years ago. There was a report that Griffin had a 3-way deal that would send Kyrie the Suns, PG to the Cavs and the 4th+rebuilding package to the Pacers. You can't deny these things. Like I said, the Cavs didn't put him out on the market to test what was out there, but he was tradeable in specific instances.

And there's nothing wrong with wanting to control your future. In fact, that's literally been Lebron's motto since his move to Miami. If you listen to RJ's podcast, he said himself that Lebron's uncertainty, doesn't just make Kyrie uncomfortable but other people as well. Why would Kyrie want his future in someone else's hand when he can, to a certain extent, control it himself? Why would you want to stay with an organization that's not loyal to you but more loyal to a player who might leave in a year?

It's crazy to me that some players get bashed for using their choice but others are praised for doing the same because it aligns with what we want to happen. Some people may be okay working in a toxic environment, as long as the rewards are worth it (i.e. championship). But even final runs/ championship wasn't enough to keep Kobe/Shaq together. Some people would rather go to a place where they feel more valued/happy but don't necessarily reach the same level of success (though can be more financially lucrative). Some people are like Durant and manage to get the best of both worlds (for now though he did take a financial hit on his contract).

[BeatDaCavs420]

Why is it that SAS is basically the only one coming out with info with how Irving feels?

I feel like hes just spewing BS

[bon]

Why is it that SAS is basically the only one coming out with info with how Irving feels?

I feel like hes just spewing BS

Isn't he always?

[RCM88x]

Why is it that SAS is basically the only one coming out with info with how Irving feels?

I feel like hes just spewing BS

Probably because he's the only one confident in releasing information that had only been confirmed by one source. He basically can do anything and not change his credibility or standing, so he basically comes out with any information he gets his hands on. Unlike real reporters who need to get confirmation from multiple sources to avoid embarrassment or losing their jobs.

[Tave]

This whole "uncertainty" nonsense is just coded language for Kyrie simply not liking Lebron.

It is virtually certain that remaining w the Cavs guarantees at least one more Finals appearance.

It is also virtually certain that nowhere Kyrie is traded to this year would give him the same opportunity.

And it is an absolute certainty that Irving would enjoy far more leverage in a forced trade after this season, being that much closer to unrestricted free agency.

This isn't about Kyrie wanting to put himself in the best, most stable situation. Unless he really wants that but is plauged by sheer incompetence. Which is possible. The guy actually believes the earth is flat.

[Mylie10]

I'm blown away by the wiretap article on what supposedly someone close to Kyrie said. I'm proud of him for saying it if true. But man that is amazing to read.

It's about time someone let everyone in to how difficult it can be having to deal with the day in day out life of LeBron James.

But I hope he can fully admit that hes not on the same level, and that it's probably the last time he'll sniff a Finals.

I now forgive him for the Flat Earthing

[BeatDaCavs420]

I'm blown away by the wiretap article on what supposedly someone close to Kyrie said. I'm proud of him for saying it if true. But man that is amazing to read.

It's about time someone let everyone in to how difficult it can be having to deal with the day in day out life of LeBron James.

But I hope he can fully admit that hes not on the same level, and that it's probably the last time he'll sniff a Finals.

I now forgive him for the Flat Earthing

All find and dandy an then I see the source and Im just like Ughhhh lol

[LightTheBeam]

Not once was it ever the Cavs putting Kyrie in trade talks. It was always Lebron/Irving and everyone else is tradeable.

Also Lebrons future being uncertain should be a benefit for him. But another issue is that he knows without Lebron this Cavs team wouldn't even make the playoffs and he doesn't want to be stuck here with a maxed out team and no Lebron.

Its little brother scared his big bros leaving and wants the attention from mom and dad now.

But that's not true.

There was a report that Lebron wanted him traded for CP3 2 years ago. There was a report that Griffin had a 3-way deal that would send Kyrie the Suns, PG to the Cavs and the 4th+rebuilding package to the Pacers. You can't deny these things. Like I said, the Cavs didn't put him out on the market to test what was out there, but he was tradeable in specific instances.

And there's nothing wrong with wanting to control your future. In fact, that's literally been Lebron's motto since his move to Miami. If you listen to RJ's podcast, he said himself that Lebron's uncertainty, doesn't just make Kyrie uncomfortable but other people as well. Why would Kyrie want his future in someone else's hand when he can, to a certain extent, control it himself? Why would you want to stay with an organization that's not loyal to you but more loyal to a player who might leave in a year?

It's crazy to me that some players get bashed for using their choice but others are praised for doing the same because it aligns with what we want to happen. Some people may be okay working in a toxic environment, as long as the rewards are worth it (i.e. championship). But even final runs/ championship wasn't enough to keep Kobe/Shaq together. Some people would rather go to a place where they feel more valued/happy but don't necessarily reach the same level of success (though can be more financially lucrative). Some people are like Durant and manage to get the best of both worlds (for now though he did take a financial hit on his contract).

Please show me the report of cp3 for kyrie that's bogus. It was literally fan speculation after the lost in the finals never did lebron ever say that.

The pacers trade you reference was Kevin love not kyrie Irving so again you're mistaken.

Kyrie says he doesn't want to play with lebron so I don't see the issue with lebron leaving. Kyrie wants to be the guy this would be his team if lebron left but that's not what he wants. He's just looking to move out of the situation because he's not mentally tough imo. 90% of the league would love to learn from arguably the best player of all time.

People can disagree you see it one way I see it another. It's okay to not have the same opinion I don't know why everyone is coming at me like I'm wrong since u have no evidence either way this is just my opinion

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[RCM88x]

I'm blown away by the wiretap article on what supposedly someone close to Kyrie said. I'm proud of him for saying it if true. But man that is amazing to read.

It's about time someone let everyone in to how difficult it can be having to deal with the day in day out life of LeBron James.

But I hope he can fully admit that hes not on the same level, and that it's probably the last time he'll sniff a Finals.

I now forgive him for the Flat Earthing

Amazing to read one sentence that says he's tired of being the #2 to LeBron, which we already knew? Or am I missing this article?

[LivingLegend]

I'm blown away by the wiretap article on what supposedly someone close to Kyrie said. I'm proud of him for saying it if true. But man that is amazing to read.

It's about time someone let everyone in to how difficult it can be having to deal with the day in day out life of LeBron James.

But I hope he can fully admit that hes not on the same level, and that it's probably the last time he'll sniff a Finals.

I now forgive him for the Flat Earthing

Amazing to read one sentence that says he's tired of being the #2 to LeBron, which we already knew? Or am I missing this article?

The article basically said someone close to Kyrie says that hes tired of being the 'son' to LeBron and not being treated like a equally big star. Also something about Kyrie disliked that LeBron came out and said the Cavs need to add a few more pieces as if what they have is not enough. Kyrie felt like LeBron saying that was a shot at him when LeBron asked the FO to get them a backup PG and C to replace Delly/Mozgov mid season last year.

So yea, same old stuff basically. Kyries feeling are hurt because his brand is not the biggest in town and he isnt getting the national love or coverage because of LeBrons shadow.

[Mylie10]

I'm blown away by the wiretap article on what supposedly someone close to Kyrie said. I'm proud of him for saying it if true. But man that is amazing to read.

It's about time someone let everyone in to how difficult it can be having to deal with the day in day out life of LeBron James.

But I hope he can fully admit that hes not on the same level, and that it's probably the last time he'll sniff a Finals.

I now forgive him for the Flat Earthing

All find and dandy an then I see the source and Im just like Ughhhh lol

Steven A isn't always wrong. And it sounds like Kyrie. He is an independent thinker. It's definitely plausible, and delicious at the same time.

However, as I said yesterday, my prediction is that Kyrie stays and things are fine next season between them.

[NBAFan93]

I'm blown away by the wiretap article on what supposedly someone close to Kyrie said. I'm proud of him for saying it if true. But man that is amazing to read.

It's about time someone let everyone in to how difficult it can be having to deal with the day in day out life of LeBron James.

But I hope he can fully admit that hes not on the same level, and that it's probably the last time he'll sniff a Finals.

I now forgive him for the Flat Earthing

Amazing to read one sentence that says he's tired of being the #2 to LeBron, which we already knew? Or am I missing this article?

Think he means this article - https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247063/Kyrie-Irving-Tired-Of-Hearing-About-What-LeBron-Needs

It's SAS, so you got to consider that, bit if true it is some amazing stuff. The part about him not caring for LeBron to come back is what shocks me the most.

[RCM88x]

I'm blown away by the wiretap article on what supposedly someone close to Kyrie said. I'm proud of him for saying it if true. But man that is amazing to read.

It's about time someone let everyone in to how difficult it can be having to deal with the day in day out life of LeBron James.

But I hope he can fully admit that hes not on the same level, and that it's probably the last time he'll sniff a Finals.

I now forgive him for the Flat Earthing

Amazing to read one sentence that says he's tired of being the #2 to LeBron, which we already knew? Or am I missing this article?

Think he means this article - https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247063/Kyrie-Irving-Tired-Of-Hearing-About-What-LeBron-Needs

It's SAS, so you got to consider that, bit if true it is some amazing stuff. The part about him not caring for LeBron to come back is what shocks me the most.

Didn't most people already know that part about not caring LeBron came back in '14? I thought that was common knowledge.

[Mylie10]

I'm blown away by the wiretap article on what supposedly someone close to Kyrie said. I'm proud of him for saying it if true. But man that is amazing to read.

It's about time someone let everyone in to how difficult it can be having to deal with the day in day out life of LeBron James.

But I hope he can fully admit that hes not on the same level, and that it's probably the last time he'll sniff a Finals.

I now forgive him for the Flat Earthing

Amazing to read one sentence that says he's tired of being the #2 to LeBron, which we already knew? Or am I missing this article?

"Kyrie Irving agreed upon a five-year, $90 million max extension with the Cleveland Cavaliers 10 days before LeBron James returned to the franchise.

At that time in 2014, Irving reportedly "didn't particularly care for James to return to Cleveland."

After three straight trips to The Finals, Irving no longer wants to play alongside James.

“Kyrie isn’t saying he’s better than LeBron and should be seen that way,” a close confidant of Irving’s told ESPN. “He’s saying he’s not about to let LeBron ‘SON’ him … treating him like he’s the child and LeBron’s the father or big brother he’s supposed to look up to.

“Kyrie knows he’s a franchise-caliber talent. He wants to be treated like it. And he’s tired of hearing about what LeBron needs, and he’s damn sure tired of hearing LeBron sound like he always needs more. As if the crew they have isn’t enough.”

If the above is true that's saying a lot. And I'd bet there are others who have played with him who feel the same way, but don't have the guts to say it.