ECQF | P2 (2) Toronto Raptors vs (7) Orlando Magic

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #1021 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:32 am

Shock Defeat wrote:
Childs wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hmmmmmmmm

excuse making in order to keep kawhi happy

A coach protecting his player even if it's not true.

That's a good coach . Not these casual fans who think Nurse has to call him out after 1 game of mediocrity/poor play.

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Patsfan1081 · Post #1022 » by **Patsfan1081** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:32 am

It might only end up being a five game series but Orlando is taking a lot out of Toronto. Another 42 minute night for Siakam, Lowry with 40. Philly/Toronto looks like its will be a grueling series.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #1023 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:38 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:It might only end up being a five game series but Orlando is taking a lot out of Toronto. Another 42 minute night for Siakam, Lowry with 40. Philly/Toronto looks like its will be a grueling series.

Siakam always plays 40 minutes a night.

Lowry with a rare 40 minutes.

Na not that grueling

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Hero · Post #1024 » by **Hero** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:39 am

They'll have what 4-5 days of rest if it's a 5 game series. They should be okay

Patsfan1081 wrote:It might only end up being a five game series but Orlando is taking a lot out of Toronto. Another 42 minute night for Siakam, Lowry with 40. Philly/Toronto looks like its will be a grueling series.

Ballerhogger · Post #1025 » by **Ballerhogger** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:42 am

props magic keeping it close.

Agimat · Post #1026 » by **Agimat** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:44 am

SOUL wrote:I'd like an unbiased opinion from Raps fans, since we have a small minority blaming Isaac's defense on Siakam this series for these losses.. keep in mind there is a very small minority that do not like Isaac for whatever reason so I take it with a grain of salt, but I want to make sure I'm not crazy.

I'm under the impression that Isaac is making Siakam work VERY hard for his points (particularly game 1) when he's guarding him. Definitely had some blow bys and some mid-range shots that have gone in over him, some contested threes, but a lot of times, Siakam is doing work on switches and transition dunks/layups where Isaac has nothing to do with that at all. Otherwise, Isaac is making Siakam use a lot of energy/pump fakes/aggressive drives to score if he's on him. Am I crazy?

I actually did think that Isaac can at least slow down Siakam at first prior start of the series but as the game goes on I'm really surprised on Siakam's maturity. Whenever Isaac was on Paskal his not forcing his game to score on him if the opportunity doesn't show he pass it instead. It also helps that Siakam can play offball so Isaac wasn't always on Paskal.

Raptors wouldn't be the same without the immense improvement of Paskal Siakam even with Kawhi on the roster. That said, you guys have a solid core. Players we game plan are Ross and Vucevic but Magic's future absolutely depends on the development on Isaac. I can't even tell you how dumb your GM was for trading multiple talent in the past who are now currently prospering in the league. Hope this doesn't happen again to you guys!

mowcrowbar · Post #1027 » by **mowcrowbar** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:51 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Patsfan1081 wrote:It might only end up being a five game series but Orlando is taking a lot out of Toronto. Another 42 minute night for Siakam, Lowry with 40. Philly/Toronto looks like its will be a grueling series.

Siakam always plays 40 minutes a night.

Lowry with a rare 40 minutes.

Na not that grueling

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You dont think the sixers raps matchup wouldnt least go 6 games? It most likely will be competitive if Embiid comes back healthy.

Useyourhead · Post #1028 » by **Useyourhead** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:58 am

VanWest82 wrote:For a really good team the Raptors sure do play like crap a lot. Nice that they're winning the series again, I guess.

Well they also have the REFS being biased against the raptors "over the course of the full game". They especially call bs fouls or make lack of fouls in the first three quarters and then attempt to call the game a bit more fair in the last quarter.

HangTime · Post #1029 » by **HangTime** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:42 am

Isn't it weird that Kyle gets no continuation when he's fouled on a jump shot?

Even when he gets fouled in mid-air, they can it on the floor.

While others aren't even attempting a shot, when the foul occurs, they get to the line on a continuation.

SwaggyB · Post #1030 » by **SwaggyB** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:49 am

HangTime wrote:Isn't it weird that Kyle gets no continuation when he's fouled on a jump shot?

Even when he gets fouled in mid-air, they can it on the floor.

While others aren't even attempting a shot, when the foul occurs, they get to the line on a continuation.

It is absolutely mind boggling.

CptCanada · Post #1031 » by **CptCanada** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:11 am

Lets just have zero surprised responses when the refs suck off the Raptors hard next game in order to reconcile this. Its unreal how the league plays out like this but it is predictable.

SFour · Post #1032 » by **SFour** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:36 am

HangTime wrote:Isn't it weird that Kyle gets no continuation when he's fouled on a jump shot?

Even when he gets fouled in mid-air, they can it on the floor.

While others aren't even attempting a shot, when the foul occurs, they get to the line on a continuation.

I don't even understand how continuation works anymore

DonMega · Post #1033 » by **DonMega** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:57 am

I feel bad for kawhi. On every single drive he gets hacked, grabbed etc and no calls. A superstar not getting any respect because as always raptors are screwed by the obvious rig by tony **** brothers. How this guy hasn’t been fired yet is beyond me.

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VancouverRaps · Post #1034 » by **VancouverRaps** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:22 am

that non-continuation on Lowry...

Kawhi getting fouled just once on his 40+ drives in this series so far...

Magic having a large FT advantage in this series so far despite attempting the least amount of FT's during the regular season....

prototype · Post #1035 » by **prototype** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:31 am

Anyone denying that was not 8 vs 5 needs to get their eyes checked. Pascal with 30 points with only one free throw attempt. That dude is feasting on the Magic without the refs help
He really took it personally that everyone was saying be was going to be stopped by Issac.

We won with a non existent Kawhi and bench.

Chandan · Post #1036 » by **Chandan** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:50 am

what would happen if magic started putting Aaron Gordon on Siakam and Issac on Kawhi. obviously hindsight is 20/20 but i feel siakam would have more trouble dealing with strength (keep him from getting to his spot) and Kawhi more against length.

At the very least this option should be explored.

p0peye · Post #1037 » by **p0peye** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:26 am

This series has been fun so far. Congrats to Raps fans, you guys deserved the win last night!

Hope that our guys will shoot a lot better next game, with not so many possessions having Ross and Fournier on Siakam. It would be good to have 6 games.

Post #1038 » by **SOUL** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:52 am

Chandan wrote:what would happen if magic started putting Aaron Gordon on Siakam and Issac on Kawhi. obviously hindsight is 20/20 but i feel siakam would have more trouble dealing with strength (keep him from getting to his spot) and Kawhi more against length.

At the very least this option should be explored.

that's not the issue. i just looked at the points and siakam scored 9 of his 30 on isaac. 2 were cases of poor defense, the others were pretty nicely contested shots that went in. i think we'd rather let siakam beat us in general than kawhi, but i think that defense is interchangeable and i'll take my chance with siakam.. the thing we CAN'T have is him matched up against ross/fournier/smaller players to just get backed down and scored on

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #1039 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:15 pm

SOUL wrote:I'd like an unbiased opinion from Raps fans, since we have a small minority blaming Isaac's defense on Siakam this series for these losses.. keep in mind there is a very small minority that do not like Isaac for whatever reason so I take it with a grain of salt, but I want to make sure I'm not crazy.

I'm under the impression that Isaac is making Siakam work VERY hard for his points (particularly game 1) when he's guarding him. Definitely had some blow bys and some mid-range shots that have gone in over him, some contested threes, but a lot of times, Siakam is doing work on switches and transition dunks/layups where Isaac has nothing to do with that at all. Otherwise, Isaac is making Siakam use a lot of energy/pump fakes/aggressive drives to score if he's on him. Am I crazy?

No you’re not crazy. The negative with Issac is his poor shooting. It’s why you guys went small in the final minutes with Ross in for Issac. The alternative is watching Siakam do that short hook over Iwundu/Fournier over and over again because they aren’t long enough to contest it well.

Swapping Gordon to guard Siakam was also suggested, but that just means Kawhi gets to overpower Issac on drives over and over to get to the rim (that two handed dunk in the 1st Q last game as an example). You guys are pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #1040 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:31 pm

Fun fact. Siakam has 4FTA this entire series. 4. He has taken 44 shots in the paint

Jonathan Issac has double the amount of FT attempts while only attempting 7 shots in the paint the entire series (while playing a total of 29 fewer minutes than Siakam).

In fact, every single Magic starter (save for Fournier, who is tied with Siakam with 4FTA this series) has attempted more FTs than Siakam and none of them have attempted even close to as many shots in the paint (the closest is Vuc at 18 shots in the paint this series).

The Magic shouldn't have lost many of their reg season games if they found the secret way to never foul anyone according to these refs

Who wins the series?