Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

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maybe some younger people will start paying closer attention to it now that they have something to lose...
Sad but true

This is one of the areas that the media got wrong in their reporting. Maybe it's because I'm more cynical and throughly knowledgeable of what the media does, but there seemed to be a generational wedge that was being pushed.

When looking at the actual numbers from multiple countries/states it's clear that it seriously impacts those under 50, however it was always reported as "Not a senior or suffering from serious health ailments? You're fine". A couple of days ago for NY state I saw something to the effect that the population of the age group of 20-45 (something in that range) were actually overrepresented in hospitalizations vs their normal demographics.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Might not be contributing to this topic but i find it incredibly fascinating the evolution of how people reacted to this virus. For example a guy at my work when this virus was starting to get traction was going around pissed of calling people idiots for freaking out about a virus being compared to the Flu. Fast forward to this week and he basically goes around talking about Covid-19 nonstop. Asking about where he can get a mask and telling people to pray. I wonder how many of those guys there are around the world. Who went around dismissing the virus only to get a big shaft in the end. I'll never understand that kind of mentality.

They would always say things like -


"it'll be just like SARs, zika, ebola, bird flu remember them? Nothing to worry about"


People are stupid, they'd point to all the viruses that never became Pandemics as a means to say not to worry about covid-19. When in actuality the more time that went without an outbreak just meant it was more likely that one of them would finally punch through, and that's where we are today.


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maybe some younger people will start paying closer attention to it now that they have something to lose...
Sad but true

This is one of the areas that the media got wrong in their reporting. Maybe it's because I'm more cynical and throughly knowledgeable of what the media does, but there seemed to be a generational wedge that was being pushed.

When looking at the actual numbers from multiple countries/states it's clear that it seriously impacts those under 50, however it was always reported as "Not a senior or suffering from serious health ailments? You're fine". A couple of days ago for NY state I saw something to the effect that the population of the age group of 20-45 (something in that range) were actually overrepresented in hospitalizations vs their normal demographics.

the general overall health of the US is quite poor. many people in that 40+ range are living with some condition - diabetes, hepatatis, obesity, etc. probably a higher % of pre-existing condition than many other countries in the same age group.

[DowJones]

i said this earlier but these are blind numbers. increased positives just means more testing is going on, that's it. these aren't new cases growing - these are just more tests happening of the public. i think this virus has had a free run throughout the US for at least 2 months. millions and millions have it. and then of course you have some states that refused to shut down at all. the arrogance on display by the US is just so damn mindboggling. look at italy right now. look at spain. some of the bigger cities may be able to somewhat handle the soon to be influx of emergency patients (but most likely not) - what about the smaller cities and towns? no way they are ready for this. and the administration is entertaining ideas of opening up soon? i'm just in a state of shock over this.

the #'s that matter the most in this whole thing is finding out how many people have it in total (symptomatic and asymptomatic) and how many people had it (anti body testing). that gives a definitive indicator on how widespread and dangerous this really is. i am hoping for the best but all signs/factors/everything are pointing to sh t hitting the fan in 2-3 weeks.

Arrogance? No, it's confidence. We have a **** robot on Mars and we crush the Olympics every time. The entire world listens to our music, watches our movies, wears our clothes, and follows our NBA.

If anyone can beat this thing, it's us.

u may not realize it, now, and possibly after either. but this is the exact type of thinking that has rendered the States to be fighting an uphill battle. Its the very epitome of it. Good ol classic American made Hubris.

ill quote yesterdays atlantic article and implore u to read that . u can use that as my retort for whatever u have to say next. im sure u have lots.

Aspects of America’s identity may need rethinking after COVID-19. Many of the country’s values have seemed to work against it during the pandemic. Its individualism, exceptionalism, and tendency to equate doing whatever you want with an act of resistance meant that when it came time to save lives and stay indoors, some people flocked to bars and clubs. Having internalized years of anti-terrorism messaging following 9/11, Americans resolved to not live in fear. But SARS-CoV-2 has no interest in their terror, only their cells.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/

Why don't we let the virus bring America to her knees before we start talking about it changing our "individualism, exceptionalism, and refusal to live in fear"?

[Lazy Faizy]

Might not be contributing to this topic but i find it incredibly fascinating the evolution of how people reacted to this virus. For example a guy at my work when this virus was starting to get traction was going around pissed of calling people idiots for freaking out about a virus being compared to the Flu. Fast forward to this week and he basically goes around talking about Covid-19 nonstop. Asking about where he can get a mask and telling people to pray. I wonder how many of those guys there are around the world. Who went around dismissing the virus only to get a big shaft in the end. I'll never understand that kind of mentality.

There's some on this site, in this thread even. You'll see their attitude and mindsets have made a 180 from the things they were saying a few weeks ago to what they're saying now. It's definitely weird.

[Lazy Faizy]

I went to the gas station to buy some milk because I didn't want to drive too far to the grocery store. There was this doofus in line in front of me just coughing all over the place. I wanted to give him a piece of my mind, but I decided to just ignore it. You should always be coughing into your elbow, whether there was a virus going around or not. Even my 5 year old niece knows this. It's sad that you would have to explain that to a grown adult. I was wearing gloves but from now on I'll be wearing a mask also. Just ridiculous.

[MotownMadness]

i said this earlier but these are blind numbers. increased positives just means more testing is going on, that's it. these aren't new cases growing - these are just more tests happening of the public. i think this virus has had a free run throughout the US for at least 2 months. millions and millions have it. and then of course you have some states that refused to shut down at all. the arrogance on display by the US is just so damn mindboggling. look at italy right now. look at spain. some of the bigger cities may be able to somewhat handle the soon to be influx of emergency patients (but most likely not) - what about the smaller cities and towns? no way they are ready for this. and the administration is entertaining ideas of opening up soon? i'm just in a state of shock over this.

the #'s that matter the most in this whole thing is finding out how many people have it in total (symptomatic and asymptomatic) and how many people had it (anti body testing). that gives a definitive indicator on how widespread and dangerous this really is. i am hoping for the best but all signs/factors/everything are pointing to sh t hitting the fan in 2-3 weeks.

Arrogance? No, it's confidence. We have a **** robot on Mars and we crush the Olympics every time. The entire world listens to our music, watches our movies, wears our clothes, and follows our NBA.

If anyone can beat this thing, it's us.

Your economy is collapsing and your health care system is on its way.

Despite all of its resources, ingenuity, and military might America is being exposed for the naked god emperor that they are.

You sound like your enjoying seeing this a bit too much there guy.

[Nacho Bidness]

Might not be contributing to this topic but i find it incredibly fascinating the evolution of how people reacted to this virus. For example a guy at my work when this virus was starting to get traction was going around pissed of calling people idiots for freaking out about a virus being compared to the Flu. Fast forward to this week and he basically goes around talking about Covid-19 nonstop. Asking about where he can get a mask and telling people to pray. I wonder how many of those guys there are around the world. Who went around dismissing the virus only to get a big shaft in the end. I'll never understand that kind of mentality.

There's some on this site, in this thread even. You'll see their attitude and mindsets have made a 180 from the things they were saying a few weeks ago to what they're saying now. It's definitely weird.

There's nothing weird about it.

What would be weird is being wrong, seeing the facts and then to continue acting like it's not a big deal.

Three weeks ago I wasn't concerned. I was all... It will suck but we'll be fine.

Now I'm thinking all the numbers from Asia are overly rosy compared to what we're going to see.

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[bwgood77]

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It sucks that she is saying that and then you hear the talk about people "going back to work because certain parts of the country are not affected." and mentions Texas of course...luckily the big cities have shelter in place orders.

What sucks though is that all the time people are putting in doing shelter in place in a lot of cities, won't matter too much if neighboring states and cities don't do it too. Then you just have this massively infected area next door that will likely make it's way to you later when you try to go back to normal.

Here is an interactive map that shows you which states have the orders...if you click on one it gives details. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html

Not sure what's up with Nevada, AZ, Arkansas and some of the other ones that are doing nothing.

[LKN]

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It sucks that she is saying that and then you hear the talk about people "going back to work because certain parts of the country are not affected." and mentions Texas of course...luckily the big cities have shelter in place orders.

What sucks though is that all the time people are putting in doing shelter in place in a lot of cities, won't matter too much if neighboring states and cities don't do it too. Then you just have this massively infected area next door that will likely make it's way to you later when you try to go back to normal.

Here is an interactive map that shows you which states have the orders...if you click on one it gives details. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html

Not sure what's up with Nevada, AZ, Arkansas and some of the other ones that are doing nothing.

OMG and AZ has is testing like 60% positive! (Albeit with a tiny number of tests so far)

[G R E Y]

It's interesting and insightful how businesses that were proactive in preparation and action are not overwhelmed and can ride out the rising peaks.

Ramona said in a recent interview that the NBA brass were getting daily info from their employees in China from late January. That info was then sent on to the teams - so they were all at the ready for when they needed to be.

And here's how HEB has been able to stay organized and service increasing demand - notably, also getting info back in January and putting plans in place that they're executing now:

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Inside the Story of How H-E-B Planned for the Pandemic
The grocer started communicating with Chinese counterparts in January and was running tabletop simulations a few weeks later. (But nothing prepared it for the rush on toilet paper.)

Justen Noakes, director of emergency preparedness, H-E-B: Just a little bit of history: we have been working on our pandemic and influenza plan for quite a while now, since 2005, when we had the threat of H5N1 overseas in China. That’s when we first developed what our plan looked like, [as well as] some of our requirements and business implications. In 2009, we actually used that plan in response to H1N1, when the swine flu came to fruition in Cibolo, and refined it, made it more of an influenza plan. We’ve continued to revise it, and it’s been a part of our preparedness plan at H-E-B ever since.

As this has started to emerge, we’ve been in close contact with retailers in China, starting with what happened in Wuhan in the early couple of months, and what kind of lessons they learned. Over the last couple of months, [we’ve been] in close contact with some of our Italian retailers and suppliers, understanding how things have evolved in Italy and now in Spain, talking to those countries that are ahead of us in the curve. We’ve been in daily contact, understanding the pace and the change and the need for product, and how things have progressed in each of those countries.

We have a number of Texas companies that are pitching in and doing great work. I can give you a few examples: Labatt is a food distributor here in Texas. Their primary customers are schools, institutions, and restaurants. Obviously those businesses are under real pressure, and many of them are shutting down. So we have been partnering with Labatt to deliver rotisserie chickens, deli lunch meats, and a variety of products.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/food/heb-prepared-coronavirus-pandemic/

[Zenzibar]

maybe some younger people will start paying closer attention to it now that they have something to lose...
Sad but true

This is one of the areas that the media got wrong in their reporting. Maybe it's because I'm more cynical and throughly knowledgeable of what the media does, but there seemed to be a generational wedge that was being pushed.

When looking at the actual numbers from multiple countries/states it's clear that it seriously impacts those under 50, however it was always reported as "Not a senior or suffering from serious health ailments? You're fine". A couple of days ago for NY state I saw something to the effect that the population of the age group of 20-45 (something in that range) were actually overrepresented in hospitalizations vs their normal demographics.

the general overall health of the US is quite poor. many people in that 40+ range are living with some condition - diabetes, hepatatis, obesity, etc. probably a higher % of pre-existing condition than many other countries in the same age group.

This is a total exposure.

A healthy nation does not raise kids on garbage fake foods like McDonalds. Allowing Monsanto to produce all kinds of dangerous GMO foods, is not a healthy nation. Poison fish farming and heavy meat consumption, is not a healthy nation. Garbage sugary cereals being fed to children causing early diabetes, is not a healthy nation. The FDA is a joke, hand in the pocket agency.
Big Pharma is BIG time guilty, pills for this, pills for that, just watch the commercials on CNN. You've seen it, pills that cure acne but damage your liver...why is that even legal?

Getting hit by something unprecedented like this, you start to realize just how unhealthy we are as a nation.
Hopefully after this, we'll wake the fk up and start demanding real quality, healthy affordable foods from all our food sources..
But there's little optimism in that, we're too much like sheep.

[Stillwater]

I went to the gas station to buy some milk because I didn't want to drive too far to the grocery store. There was this doofus in line in front of me just coughing all over the place. I wanted to give him a piece of my mind, but I decided to just ignore it. You should always be coughing into your elbow, whether there was a virus going around or not. Even my 5 year old niece knows this. It's sad that you would have to explain that to a grown adult. I was wearing gloves but from now on I'll be wearing a mask also. Just ridiculous.

There is a severe disconnect in our society that literally is in fact so self absorbed they don't care if they get other sick meanwhile probably delusional to the point of thinking they couldn't possibly have COVID-19 because "their fine it's just a cold"
I have a memory of a person who is now locked up but was just like that guy you describe. Although this person wasnt right in the head.seemed like the nicest person to talk to highly intelligent and just overall a high character guy except he always was getting sick never covered his mouth and never changed no matter how much he learned from friends giving him **** about it. Turned out to be a sociopath.

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What a piece of ****.

Cody Lee Pfister posted a video of himself licking deodorants at the Warrenton store on March 11, according to court documents. As he wiped his tongue across the packages, he asked, "Who's scared of coronavirus?" according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Pfister was arrested Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/missouri-man-arrested-licking-items-walmart-mock-coronavirus-fears-n1168901

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It sucks that she is saying that and then you hear the talk about people "going back to work because certain parts of the country are not affected." and mentions Texas of course...luckily the big cities have shelter in place orders.

What sucks though is that all the time people are putting in doing shelter in place in a lot of cities, won't matter too much if neighboring states and cities don't do it too. Then you just have this massively infected area next door that will likely make it's way to you later when you try to go back to normal.

Here is an interactive map that shows you which states have the orders...if you click on one it gives details. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html

Not sure what's up with Nevada, AZ, Arkansas and some of the other ones that are doing nothing.

SA has been doing really well for a long while, but as we've seen in other places, all it takes is a couple of spreaders to make the virus expand quickly (caveats of more tests for more people leading to more accurate results):

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[lakerz12]

This is one of the areas that the media got wrong in their reporting. Maybe it's because I'm more cynical and throughly knowledgeable of what the media does, but there seemed to be a generational wedge that was being pushed.

When looking at the actual numbers from multiple countries/states it's clear that it seriously impacts those under 50, however it was always reported as "Not a senior or suffering from serious health ailments? You're fine". A couple of days ago for NY state I saw something to the effect that the population of the age group of 20-45 (something in that range) were actually overrepresented in hospitalizations vs their normal demographics.

the general overall health of the US is quite poor. many people in that 40+ range are living with some condition - diabetes, hepatatis, obesity, etc. probably a higher % of pre-existing condition than many other countries in the same age group.

This is a total exposure.

A healthy nation does not raise kids on garbage fake foods like McDonalds. Allowing Monsanto to produce all kinds of dangerous GMO foods, is not a healthy nation. Poison fish farming and heavy meat consumption, is not a healthy nation. Garbage sugary cereals being fed to children causing early diabetes, is not a healthy nation. The FDA is a joke, hand in the pocket agency.
Big Pharma is BIG time guilty, pills for this, pills for that, just watch the commercials on CNN. You've seen it, pills that cure acne but damage your liver...why is that even legal?

Getting hit by something unprecedented like this, you start to realize just how unhealthy we are as a nation.
Hopefully after this, we'll wake the fk up and start demanding real quality, healthy affordable foods from all our food sources..
But there's little optimism in that, we're too much like sheep.

There is literally "real quality, healthy affordable food" at virtually every grocery store in the country.

People need more discipline and to make better decisions.

But America is no worse of a situation than any other country. You're taking a fine tooth comb to America but you can find equally terrible things everywhere.

Why aren't you blaming China?

This whole world is messed up.

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