Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated

[Rainwater]

Ja is way too injury prone, arguably worse shooter than Trae, and a headcase. I guess it makes sense financially if we don't to sign Trae to a max but it wouldn't change the teams trajectory at all.

I feel like Ja is just a better player especially in terms of winning. And looking at FG% just way better Trae as well. I just don't see Trae returning to the Hawks.

Ja is just a better player especially in terms of winning?

Yes he is, lol. And it’s not even close. The whole reason why Trae is being shopped is because you can’t win with him, Ja is being shopped because he is a head case.

Ja in his seven seasons with the Grizz has 4 winning seasons where two seasons the Grizz won 50 games in THE WEST. The hawks with Trae has only had two winning seasons, one where they only won 43 and the other 41 in the Covid-19 year. Other than that Trae and the hawks have been a consistent play-in team at best. Trae does not win you much games . Also count the guy is massively inefficient from the field, plays no defense, and is turnover prone I don’t understand how saying JA is better than Trae is a hot take. Ja has more MVP shares than Trae, Trae has never finished better than 3rd team, and he is only an AS if someone gets hurt. Like what are we talking about here.

[Rainwater]

Ja is way too injury prone, arguably worse shooter than Trae, and a headcase. I guess it makes sense financially if we don't to sign Trae to a max but it wouldn't change the teams trajectory at all.

I feel like Ja is just a better player especially in terms of winning. And looking at FG% just way better Trae as well. I just don't see Trae returning to the Hawks.

What are you basing this off? Ja has been horrid this year and Trae has made it further in the playoffs and doesn’t have nearly half the off the court drama….

What do you mean what I am basing this off of? Look at history lol. Trae’s best year in ATL the hawks only won 43 games lol. Outside that one fluke year, the hawks have been a consistent playin team in the weaker conference. Morant has 2 50 win seasons in Memphis. Ja has more MVP shares, JA is more efficient from the field, JA is a better defender and JA is less turnover prone. It’s pretty clear that JA is better.

[Rainwater]

Been saying for years the problem has always been the constant (Trae), it’s finally in full display. They need to trade him quick, Morant to ATL would be nice. Trae would be a huge expiring contract for Memphis as they look to rebuild.

But why would Atlanta trade him for Morant?

The Hawks are not going small score first guards after Trae. They literally built the team around him and it's built to win with or w/o him. He will get his chance to lead his team into the p/o.

The fact they haven’t signed him yet to an extension should tell you he is likely gone. He Lille be gone by midseason.

[threethehardway]

Atlanta is more interesting without him tbh.

It's really not.

It's just nothing but tall guys that gotta run a college level offense because they can't dribble in a half court situation.

If you wanna see Jalen Johnson run short pick and rolls with Dyson Daniels, then be my guest.

If you wanna see NAW pretend he is Kyrie, then be my guest.

If you wanna see OO do his best John Collins impression, then be my guest.

It's the middest of teams.

They were a mid-team with Trae and going to the ECF.

They were a mid-team with Coach Bud and the 5 All-Stars.

The always will be ran and coached like a mid-major NCAA team. Trae at least added drama and flair to the Hawks. They even took out the entertainment value of Trae and got him setting screens and popping out to the corner. It's mid all the way down.

There's nothing interesting about the Hawks.

[MessiahUjiri]

Atlanta is more interesting without him tbh.

It's really not.

It's just nothing but tall guys that gotta run a college level offense because they can't dribble in a half court situation.

If you wanna see Jalen Johnson run short pick and rolls with Dyson Daniels, then be my guest.

If you wanna see NAW pretend he is Kyrie, then be my guest.

If you wanna see OO do his best John Collins impression, then be my guest.

It's the middest of teams.

They were a mid-team with Trae and going to the ECF.

They were a mid-team with Coach Bud and the 5 All-Stars.

The always will be ran and coached like a mid-major NCAA team. Trae at least added drama and flair to the Hawks. They even took out the entertainment value of Trae and got him setting screens and popping out to the corner. It's mid all the way down.

There's nothing interesting about the Hawks.

Your whole argument falls apart because you do not account for what value Hawks can get in exchange for Young.

[threethehardway]

What do you mean what I am basing this off of? Look at history lol. Trae’s best year in ATL the hawks only won 43 games lol. Outside that one fluke year, the hawks have been a consistent playin team in the weaker conference. Morant has 2 50 win seasons in Memphis. Ja has more MVP shares, JA is more efficient from the field, JA is a better defender and JA is less turnover prone. It’s pretty clear that JA is better.

Ja played with a DPOY candidate and a sub-all star quality shooting guard.

Trae's best teammate was John Collins, who now rides the bench.

There really isn't any difference between Ja and Trae Young besides playstyle.

Neither one is going to lead a team anywhere because they aren't good enough. Ja Morant isn't even better than Donovan Mitchell, nor is Trae.

And Ja isn't a significantly better defender than Trae, Ja is a terrible defender, Trae at least tries now and can get stops on occasion. They are both bad for different reasons, Ja could be a good defender but he doesn't care to be. He isn't even a ball hawk.

And unless Ja finishing top 2, MVP shares don't mean anything.

Ja and Trae are in the same tier, anybody arguing that isn't true is just arguing to argue. They are talented lead guards that should not be the best player on a team.

[threethehardway]

Your whole argument falls apart because you do not account for what value Hawks can get in exchange for Young.

Are they gonna get an MVP caliber player?

They aren't gonna get any significant for Trae Young.

This is the problem you guys have.

You say Trae is so bad and he can't lead a team and this that, and then expect the Hawks to get any value for him that would benefit the Hawks more than keeping him. To be honest, the best thing to do instead of taking a contract with a similar caliber player would be to let him walk for nothing or use his contract to take on a bad contract for a ransom and tank to build a war-chest.

I am being realistic, with or without Trae, it doesn't change how the Hawks view teambuilding and how that organization is dedicated to being mediocre.

The Hawks don't believe in tanking because that was the solution after the ECF, should've sold every one besides Trae and Deandre Hunter and tanked. It was no different than what OKC did, but they didn't, because they are stupid at worst, and at best, they just want to butt in seats.

With Trae they threw all the weight behind a team with John Collins as the second best player and at the same time limited him by trading for Clint Capela. They didn't want to go all in with John Collins at the 5, which would've made sense.

So now they are doing the whole Masai "6'9 wings" experiment that led to nowhere and still haven't the solved problem of Trae Young being the absolute best playmaker on the team. Your absolute best playmaker can't be 6'1 170 pounds.

They are trotting Jalen Johnson out there in a point forward role which he isn't good enough of a ball handler to do. He's more like Josh Smith than Scottie Pippen. He's only good in transition and short roll situations or situations where he picks up his dribble during a drive and surveys the court. He's an All-Star caliber player, not Lebron/Luka/SGA caliber.

My point stands, there's nothing interesting about the Hawks with or without Trae. It's a mid-tier team that should be an A-tier team because it is an A-tier city for the demographic of the NBA cultivates. It should be ShowTime Lakers South, but it's not, due to the leadership being among the worst in the league. Whenever the team is on the cusp of greatness, the ownership will sabotage it for playoff money.

It is what it is.

[flytimes11]

I feel like Ja is just a better player especially in terms of winning. And looking at FG% just way better Trae as well. I just don't see Trae returning to the Hawks.

What are you basing this off? Ja has been horrid this year and Trae has made it further in the playoffs and doesn’t have nearly half the off the court drama….

What do you mean what I am basing this off of? Look at history lol. Trae’s best year in ATL the hawks only won 43 games lol. Outside that one fluke year, the hawks have been a consistent playin team in the weaker conference. Morant has 2 50 win seasons in Memphis. Ja has more MVP shares, JA is more efficient from the field, JA is a better defender and JA is less turnover prone. It’s pretty clear that JA is better.

Trae has been further in the playoffs than Ja and hasn’t had JJJ and bane on his team. He had Collins and Bogi who are 5th and 6th options for the clippers. Ja is shooting 16% from 3 this year and you say he is more efficient… do you watch basketball or you just like to pass time on realgm?

[CobraCommander]

Has he played any good defense yet? If not, he's just rightly rated-- offensive machine at times but a major liability on the other end. i can understand why Team USA won't include him in their line-up in this World Cup or any other future international competitions.

when I first read your post I thought, Trae is bad but not worse than Steph Curry or Luka...guys people say suck on defense...but damn...I was wrong..using last 5 year avg...steph and luka both post a 112 defensive rating and Trae throwing up a 120.

so to me this is telling...everyone says Luka and Steph are bad defenders but they are closer to SGA at 111.7 over the last 5 years than trae is to them. even tho SGA has dropped to 107 last year Trae hasn't improved since he came into the league.....

but to be clear...when looking at these ratings..there are some darlings on here that suck worse than trae last year...
Keyonte George 124.0


Collin Sexton 123.2

Jordan Poole 121.4

Dennis Schröder 120.9

Jaden Ivey 120.5

Bogdan Bogdanović 120.1

Cade Cunningham 120.1

Trae Young 118....


so honestly if Cade sees the Olympic team before Trae defense can't be the argument