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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1021 » by 316Hornets » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:22 am

Who would win in a 1 vs 1 at the same age that Flagg is now? Lebron or Flagg? I feel like Flagg would be able to get Lebron into a lot of tough shots.
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Post#1022 » by The-Power » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:26 am

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316Hornets wrote:Image

Teams already jockeying for the top 3 spot and best odds at landing Flagg. It's pretty obvious there's a lot of potential and might be the best all around prospect since Lebron.

Stop it.

He's not even a better prospect than Pablo lol.

How you skip over AD/Zion/KD?

I agree that AD and Zion were better prospects (though for me personally it's fairly close with Zion – but I also wasn't his biggest fan). KD is very debatable (as are a couple others not mentioned here*), and I have Flagg as a solidly better prospect than Banchero. Don't be distracted by their NBA careers, we're talking about them as prospects.

*I'm also only talking about college; if we include international players then Victor is definitely ahead of him and I personally would prefer Luka, too, though that would be far from a consensus opinion
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Post#1023 » by jokeboy86 » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:26 am

HotRocks34 wrote:I honestly wasn't super high on his offensive potential but I'm starting to change my mind.

His shot looked very good against SMU and his handle also looked better than I thought it was.

He could be the real deal. We'll find out. I'm still not sure how tall he actually is barefoot and I want to see his wingspan and standing reach combine stats when they're done.



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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1024 » by 316Hornets » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:33 am

Flagg and Lebron have basically the same build. At his age right now, the dude has MUSCLES for a player at that height. If he gets drafted by a team like Washington, might average 30 ppg rookie year.
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Post#1025 » by turnaroundJ » Mon Jan 6, 2025 4:22 am

he's an 18 year old highly athletic bruiser wing with elite D and potentially a decent shot. i don't get how you would consider poor man's jalen williams over him.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1026 » by Rainwater » Mon Jan 6, 2025 7:07 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
316Hornets wrote:Image

Teams already jockeying for the top 3 spot and best odds at landing Flagg. It's pretty obvious there's a lot of potential and might be the best all around prospect since Lebron.

Stop it.

He's not even a better prospect than Pablo lol.

How you skip over AD/Zion/KD?


I think you meant Paolo, lol. I love Paolo but most people didn’t have him going #1. Most had Jabari Smith lol. Cooper is definitely the better prospect don’t know if he will be the better player though.
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Post#1027 » by FarBeyondDriven » Mon Jan 6, 2025 7:20 am

pcbothwel wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
Himothy Duncan wrote:There’s nothing generational about this guy at all. He will be a solid pro, make a few all stars maybe, but that’s it.


Do you know how rare a generational prospect is? People don’t seem to understand the difference between generational and consensus number 1. He’s the latter. Generational is so rare that the 2010’s didn’t even produce one.

Generational prospects:
Wembanyama
LeBron
Shaq
Magic
KAJ
Wilt

Consensus number 1’s:
Flagg
Zion
Simmons
AD
Griffin
Oden
Duncan
Ewing

This is off the top of my head, probably missing a few consensus number 1s, but you get roughly three per decade whereas generational is more like once every one to two decades.

lol
Man. The revisionist history for Zion is astounding.
When Shaq was 20 he was dominating 6’8 college centers.
When Zion was 20 has was an NBA All-Star averaging a per36 of 30/8/4 on a TS of 65% and BPM of 5.8.


but as a prospect he had injury, motor, weight concerns and he couldn't shoot. Sure, we had never seen anyone quite like him but he had major red flags which prevented him from being "generational" I think Flagg is in the Zion category of prospects that are clear #1 and would go #1 most drafts but aren't quite generational.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1028 » by RingoKid » Mon Jan 6, 2025 7:30 am

Which team is most taking it in the pooper for cooper ?
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Post#1029 » by Onlytimewilltel » Mon Jan 6, 2025 7:40 am

316Hornets wrote:Who would win in a 1 vs 1 at the same age that Flagg is now? Lebron or Flagg? I feel like Flagg would be able to get Lebron into a lot of tough shots.


Lebron lol. Common man, they’re not the same tier player.
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Post#1030 » by Los_29 » Mon Jan 6, 2025 7:47 am

316Hornets wrote:Flagg and Lebron have basically the same build. At his age right now, the dude has MUSCLES for a player at that height. If he gets drafted by a team like Washington, might average 30 ppg rookie year.


With maybe a TS% of 35%.
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Post#1031 » by wegotthabeet » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:25 pm

nate33 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
Himothy Duncan wrote:There’s nothing generational about this guy at all. He will be a solid pro, make a few all stars maybe, but that’s it.


Do you know how rare a generational prospect is? People don’t seem to understand the difference between generational and consensus number 1. He’s the latter. Generational is so rare that the 2010’s didn’t even produce one.

Generational prospects:
Wembanyama
LeBron
Shaq
Magic
KAJ
Wilt

Consensus number 1’s:
Flagg
Zion
Simmons
AD
Griffin
Oden
Duncan
Ewing

This is off the top of my head, probably missing a few consensus number 1s, but you get roughly three per decade whereas generational is more like once every one to two decades.

I think this is fair. My only point of contention is I think many believed that Ewing was a generational prospect.


You're 100% right. Ewing should definitely be considered a generational prospect as well.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1032 » by Karate Diop » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:27 pm

Onlytimewilltel wrote:
316Hornets wrote:Who would win in a 1 vs 1 at the same age that Flagg is now? Lebron or Flagg? I feel like Flagg would be able to get Lebron into a lot of tough shots.


Lebron lol. Common man, they’re not the same tier player.


Seriously +100. This is an insult to Bron. Young Bron would eat Cooper and probably cause him to quit.
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Post#1033 » by MMyhre » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:32 pm

316Hornets wrote:Flagg and Lebron have basically the same build. At his age right now, the dude has MUSCLES for a player at that height. If he gets drafted by a team like Washington, might average 30 ppg rookie year.

You don`t actually believe this, right? Buttcrack insane take
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Post#1034 » by jasonxxx102 » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:37 pm

316Hornets wrote:Flagg and Lebron have basically the same build. At his age right now, the dude has MUSCLES for a player at that height. If he gets drafted by a team like Washington, might average 30 ppg rookie year.


stop it right now with this insanity, this is the most outrageous thing I have ever read on these boards and that's saying something
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Post#1035 » by wegotthabeet » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:44 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Yeah, I don't get why people forget just how massive Zion was at the draft, we thought he could be next LeBron, easily the most hyped up number one pick since LeBron and definitely a generational talent. It is ok to admit we were wrong, we were all wrong, most people feared he could be injury prone and they were right on that, but we didn't know he would get fat, forget that he averaged 4 stocks in college and just be Zach Randolph with ball handling...


You don't understand what generational is.


So what is? Zion was one of the best prospects we have seen in many decades, he supposed to be best player in the world going forward, if you just put every draft prospect ever at the day ofvthe draft, he gets drafted in the top 10. It didn't work, but he was so highly touted.


To be truly generational as a prospect you'd have to go 1st overall in any draft in the decade you were drafted and I'm not sure he goes ahead of Anthony Davis.

Maybe Zion could be considered a generational prospect. I don't personally consider him one. I feel like you need to be viewed as a consensus number 1 for multiple years leading up to when you're drafted at the very least and he wasn't even the top prospect coming out of high school the year before he was drafted.

To me he was more like Charles Barkley in a weak draft class with the benefit of social media. I don't think he goes top 10 in an all-time draft as a prospect and I definitely think he would not have been drafted over anyone I listed as generational. The hype was huge though I'll give you that, but he's the perfect example of why the term generational is used to loosely.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1036 » by TheSuzerain » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:54 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
Do you know how rare a generational prospect is? People don’t seem to understand the difference between generational and consensus number 1. He’s the latter. Generational is so rare that the 2010’s didn’t even produce one.

Generational prospects:
Wembanyama
LeBron
Shaq
Magic
KAJ
Wilt

Consensus number 1’s:
Flagg
Zion
Simmons
AD
Griffin
Oden
Duncan
Ewing

This is off the top of my head, probably missing a few consensus number 1s, but you get roughly three per decade whereas generational is more like once every one to two decades.

lol
Man. The revisionist history for Zion is astounding.
When Shaq was 20 he was dominating 6’8 college centers.
When Zion was 20 has was an NBA All-Star averaging a per36 of 30/8/4 on a TS of 65% and BPM of 5.8.


but as a prospect he had injury, motor, weight concerns and he couldn't shoot. Sure, we had never seen anyone quite like him but he had major red flags which prevented him from being "generational" I think Flagg is in the Zion category of prospects that are clear #1 and would go #1 most drafts but aren't quite generational.

Saying prospect Zion had motor concerns is big time revisionist history. He was the most productive freshman of all time.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1037 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jan 7, 2025 6:04 pm

jasonxxx102 wrote:
316Hornets wrote:Flagg and Lebron have basically the same build. At his age right now, the dude has MUSCLES for a player at that height. If he gets drafted by a team like Washington, might average 30 ppg rookie year.


stop it right now with this insanity, this is the most outrageous thing I have ever read on these boards and that's saying something

Stuff like that does make me understand the obsession with tanking - people are just really bad at understanding how prospects usually pan out
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1038 » by sikma42 » Wed Jan 8, 2025 1:40 am

Cooper Flagg just posterized this kid on Pittsburgh!!! He is a monster athlete.

Hope he goes to a good organization


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Post#1039 » by HotRocks34 » Wed Jan 8, 2025 2:11 am

Looks like he's really starting to figure it out on offense.

Not sure how many minutes he played because he was in foul trouble early.

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Post#1040 » by Tor_Raps » Wed Jan 8, 2025 2:18 am

Hope the Raptors get Flagg and then hold him as Ransom until the US joins Canada to become our 11th province lol

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