2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?)

[guynumber45]

If Jokic loses in the first round and SGA has a dominant playoff run capped off with a ring+FMVP, I doubt many will keep ranking Jokic over him. Now of course, logically speaking, that doesn't necessarily mean he would be better than Jokic because a lot of that is circumstantial but that is how people rank players let's be honest.

SGA will never be better than Jokic or Giannis. He's a great scorer, but only an okay-ish playmaker, which limits his ceiling. It works fine on this Thunder team that is littered with players who can dribble/drive/shoot, but on a team with lesser role players, Shai playmaking flaws would be magnified.

[MrPainfulTruth]

1. It doesnt matter who wins the title when discussing the best player in the world. Winning a title didnt make Tatum the best and it wont make SGA the best.
2. Acting like of all MVP candidates, Jokic doesnt have by far the least help is either casual / uninformed or its malicious. Doesnt matter if he loses in the first round when the club just fired GM and coach and surrounded him with either G league youth or overpaid garbage. Put Joker on Celtics for tatum, OKC for SGA, Bucks for Giannis and guess the result...if he had only one reliable shooter helping him he'd already be favorite to win it all, but neither Murray nor MPJ do carry their weight, and when 43 y/o Russell westbrook is your best #2 you know you're in trouble.

[Mrakar]

Yeah best player in the world can't go out like that 2 years in a row if they lose in first round.

Sorry, but there was a time when LeBron was the best player in the world, and it automatically meant a finals appearance at the very least. If Jokic is who they say he is and he can't win a playoff series or two this year when OKC is really the only standout team in the conference, he won't be the unquestioned best guy.

Post your stats all you want, I don't care. Thats how I feel.

u feel like a hater, but im ready to beat your posts with facts every time u write some stupidass **** like you did there.
Lebron played decade against teams in the east that wouldnt make playoffs in the west... He had Dwayne wade and chris bosh next to him, then Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love, and competition was far worse. There is no chance Lebron is beating that last years Minny team with Cavs team after Kyrie left for example. But luckly he had baby celtics, Oladipo Pacers and Lowry/Derozan Raptors on the way to the finals... those teams wouldnt make playoffs in the west today...

Oh yeah that vaunted Minnesota team last year that Luka destroyed a week later. Yeah prime LeBron wouldn't beat them lol don't overrate them just because Jokic couldn't (and still can't apparently) beat them.

The fact is, Jokic hasn't done enough in the playoffs to be the unquestioned best guy if he keeps falling short. Giannis was the guy then he suffered some bad luck, bad losses in the playoffs and Jokic took it from him. Same thing will happen to Jokic if this year's playoff run ends in similarly disappointing fashion as last year.

That team was constructed to beat the Nuggets, they had former nuggets GM, 3 center just to stop Jokic. Mavs matchup wasnt that great for them.
What is disappointig fashion for you? if they lose to OKC where they have like 7 all-nba defense players, while Nuggets have to play Picket/Westbrook/Jordan off the bench? I guess u will use whatever u want against him...its been though half of a decade for Jokic hater, i feel u man.

[RB34]

I think the title of best player in the league is up for grabs if Jokic suffers another embarrassing early playoff exit.

Who is going to take it?

SGA who lost in less games than Joker last year while being the 1 seed.

Or Giannis who has had a couple of rough playoffs runs in a row?

Luka, when the Lakers beat the Celtics in the NBA finals

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Nah, he would have to follow it up with an MVP caliber seasons next season. This season was too uo and down for him to take it like that.

We all know Bron would find a way to grift himself the fmvp too.

[canada_dry]

SGA's about to put up the highest WS/48 season since 2016 Steph (and higher than any Jokic season), while being #1 in EPM, and some people are still just gonna roll out the tired "his team just has more wins" narrative. As someone who voted Jokic each of the last 4 seasons, it's honestly embarrassing seeing how the discourse around him from his ardent, dare I say biased supporters completely changes when he no longer has a stranglehold on the "advanced" stats and rate/lineup metrics.

I would have thought this obsession with triple-doubles would have subsided a bit now that we've been firmly entrenched in the heliocentrism era of NBA offense for years now. Like yeah, obviously SGA is always gonna be at a disadvantage with box aggregate numbers because his BPM/DBPM isn't getting juiced by nature of being a 7-foot Center who gobbles up rebounds underneath the rim. It's just a shame to see an all-time, MVP level season get denigrated and belittled to this extent. Shai 100% deserves it and there's no shame in Jokic finishing 2nd even with how historically great he's also been, just like it was vice versa last year.

Bingo.

The jokic stans heel turn has been a wonder to see this season.

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[Castle Black]

[Asianiac_24]

Jokic this year IMO had arguably the best regular season ever by a player, playoffs TBD

[Exp0sed]

Jokic this year IMO had arguably the best regular season ever by a player, playoffs TBD

If he would have played 75 games like SGA and not 69, he'd be my MVP

He might have had the best rs season ever per game, but 69 games isn't enough when ur competitor plays 75+ on a 68 wins team

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[SpurNani]

Jokic this year IMO had arguably the best regular season ever by a player, playoffs TBD

Offensively sure

Defense is still a thing. And he was one of the main culprits in why their defense took a dive this year and got the coach fired.

[SpurNani]

Thought experiment: when will this happen again, versus when will what SGA has done happen again?

2nd in rebounds
2nd in assists
3rd in points
1st in TS% added
2nd in steals

SGA is doing an MJ/Curry. Jokic's season is a one of one.

Yes Jokic is better than MJ, brilliant post

Lmao right.

SGA is just doing an interpretation of the greatest player of all time. No biggie.

[SpurNani]

Man just has to open your profile and see ur posts, to explain this horrible statement.

Best player on the planet, by far, just had his best season and not only his, had one of the best seasons in NBA history, and for sure the best season out of all players in last 5 years. Will not win MVP because its not individual award apparently.

Nuggets can get swept in first round and he is not losing his tittle as best player in the NBA, only in some dumb ESPN hot-take shows for couple of days maybe.

And the fact that you throw in that "another embarrassing early playoff exit" in that sentence for a guy who won a chip 2 years ago, and lost last year in semis in game 7 while his 2nd best player played on pulled hammy and gave whopping 18ppg on 40% FG% and 3rd best player had whopping 10ppg on 37% FG%...

This is not the first time you are calling him out for "emberrassing early playoff exit". You included the series against Finalist Suns where his starting backcourt was Facundo Campazzo and Austin Rivers. And he even won a series with those 2 starting vs the Blazzers delivering 33/10.5/4.5. And 2nd "embarrassing early playoff exit" u had against him was against champs Warriors where Nuggets starting lineup was Monte Morris/Will Barton/Jeff Green/Aaron Gordon and himself. Jokic had 33/13/6 on 64 TS% in that series.

You have to get your **** together man. Stop embarassing yourself, i know you hate the guy but cmn lets try to be at least semi-serious.

Yeah best player in the world can't go out like that 2 years in a row if they lose in first round.

Sorry, but there was a time when LeBron was the best player in the world, and it automatically meant a finals appearance at the very least. If Jokic is who they say he is and he can't win a playoff series or two this year when OKC is really the only standout team in the conference, he won't be the unquestioned best guy.

Post your stats all you want, I don't care. Thats how I feel.

Jokic would have made the Finals every year in that awful east easily.

Jokic had trouble with the Damian Lillard/CJ McCullum led Blazers. What's he running through?

The only year he ran through anything was the 2023 when he beat the play-in Lakers and Heat to win the easiest ring in recent memory. Other than that, dude hasn't proven to be the type of player to blindly place faith that he'll find a way to win a series because he's the best player. When has playoff Jokic ever defied the odds, uplifted his team and beat a team he wasn’t supposed to because he was the best player outside of the series vs mentally weak Bubble Clippers?

Jokic fans are already copping pleas for if they lose to this version of the Clippers. "Oh they have the best players 2-8"

[Mrakar]

Yeah best player in the world can't go out like that 2 years in a row if they lose in first round.

Sorry, but there was a time when LeBron was the best player in the world, and it automatically meant a finals appearance at the very least. If Jokic is who they say he is and he can't win a playoff series or two this year when OKC is really the only standout team in the conference, he won't be the unquestioned best guy.

Post your stats all you want, I don't care. Thats how I feel.

Jokic would have made the Finals every year in that awful east easily.

Jokic had trouble with the Damian Lillard/CJ McCullum led Blazers. What's he running through?

The only year he ran through anything was the 2023 when he beat the play-in Lakers and Heat to win the easiest ring in recent memory. Other than that, dude hasn't proven to be the type of player to blindly place faith that he'll find a way to win a series because he's the best player. When has playoff Jokic ever defied the odds, uplifted his team and beat a team he wasn’t supposed to because he was the best player outside of the series vs mentally weak Bubble Clippers?

Jokic fans are already copping pleas for if they lose to this version of the Clippers. "Oh they have the best players 2-8"

You are embarassing yourself once again. So everytime he wins as underdog other team was "mentally weak" or something? He won vs Blazers with Campazzo/Rivers starting backcourt, do you see how (Please Use More Appropriate Word) your post is?

RealGM poll has Clippers as favourites, 3 podcasts i listen to today (simmons/russillo, nate/duncan, and a german one, not espn idiots) have clippers as favourites. And then SpurNani will go and say, yea nuggets were huge favourites, jokic couldnt carry if they lose or Jokic had easy opponent again if they win... i will not comment on your posts anymore, you are either bad troll or, i better not say...

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[RRR3]

It's over, stop embarrassing yourself.

[Castle Black]

It's over, stop embarrassing yourself.

"Quit embarrassing yourself by talking about the MVP Award in the MVP thread."

How about you quit obsessing over me and responding to everything I post. Sound good?

[SpurNani]

Jokic would have made the Finals every year in that awful east easily.

Jokic had trouble with the Damian Lillard/CJ McCullum led Blazers. What's he running through?

The only year he ran through anything was the 2023 when he beat the play-in Lakers and Heat to win the easiest ring in recent memory. Other than that, dude hasn't proven to be the type of player to blindly place faith that he'll find a way to win a series because he's the best player. When has playoff Jokic ever defied the odds, uplifted his team and beat a team he wasn’t supposed to because he was the best player outside of the series vs mentally weak Bubble Clippers?

Jokic fans are already copping pleas for if they lose to this version of the Clippers. "Oh they have the best players 2-8"

You are embarassing yourself once again. So everytime he wins as underdog other team was "mentally weak" or something? He won vs Blazers with Campazzo/Rivers starting backcourt, do you see how (Please Use More Appropriate Word) your post is?

RealGM poll has Clippers as favourites, 3 podcasts i listen to today (simmons/russillo, nate/duncan, and a german one, not espn idiots) have clippers as favourites. And then SpurNani will go and say, yea nuggets were huge favourites, jokic couldnt carry if they lose or Jokic had easy opponent again if they win... i will not comment on your posts anymore, you are either bad troll or, i better not say...

There are numerous stories out there how the Bubble Clippers basically quit and didn’t want to be there, i mean it’s basically common knowledge at this point. Thats Jokic’s most memorable series in the playoffs. Nobody talks about 2023 because they rightfully took advantage of a weak field. He won a very forgettable ring in an odd year with lots of injuries and upsets. Outside of that year, Jokic hasn’t run through anything.


I listen to Simmons/Russilo as well, even though they are both Jokic can do no wrong guys like yourself . Basically the series is a pick em but Denver has HCA and the guy who has the greatest peak in NBA history right? No excuses for them to lose. I picked Nuggets in 6.


Thank you for choosing not to respond anymore. Ill do the same to you.

[Kurtz]

Surprisingly, the vote might be a lot closer than people think. There are 9 voters who've revealed their MVP picks so far, and 5 of them have it for Joker.

[Jamaaliver]

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[falcolombardi]

If Jokic loses in the first round and SGA has a dominant playoff run capped off with a ring+FMVP, I doubt many will keep ranking Jokic over him. Now of course, logically speaking, that doesn't necessarily mean he would be better than Jokic because a lot of that is circumstantial but that is how people rank players let's be honest.

SGA will never be better than Jokic or Giannis. He's a great scorer, but only an okay-ish playmaker, which limits his ceiling. It works fine on this Thunder team that is littered with players who can dribble/drive/shoot, but on a team with lesser role players, Shai playmaking flaws would be magnified.

Jordan will never be better than lebron or magic. He's a great scorer, but only a okay-ish playmaker, which limits his ceiling. It works fine on this bulls team that is littered with players who can dribble/drive/shot, but on a team with lesser role players, jordan playmaking flaws would be magnified

[scrabbarista]

Jokic this year IMO had arguably the best regular season ever by a player, playoffs TBD

Offensively sure

Defense is still a thing. And he was one of the main culprits in why their defense took a dive this year and got the coach fired.

I agree with this. To me, his defense means I'd be extremely reluctant to consider this the best regular season ever.

But he had the best regular season this year, and he should be MVP, imo.