Metta World Peace elbow to Harden

carlosey · Post #1041 » by **carlosey** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:49 am

It doesnt matter wether his intent was to brush him off or stand his ground or air his armpit. He threw a wild swing that with a few inches difference could have severely injured Harden forever. Its extremely dangerous and irresponsible.

Artest has a history of doing crap like this and will have a severe penalty coming his way. The league wont have the balls to perma ban him cause Stu Jackson is a severe pansy when it comes to this, but to think hell get only 3 games is silly. At the very least 10 games or a playoff series. The most reasonable: out for the year. More severe: until 10-20 games next season.

Voice_of_Reason · Post #1042 » by **Voice_of_Reason** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:49 am

Bynum got 5 agmes for hit on Barea. I'd think 10 for Artest. You can't blatantly elbow a guy in the head.

EvilSperm · Post #1043 » by **EvilSperm** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:50 am

harden got too close tried to flop and bang artest knocks him out..from a flop to a concussion.. Artest shouldn't have did what he did but it happened.

theokie · Post #1044 » by **theokie** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:50 am

AllzGudInDaHood wrote:
theokie wrote:
Kobe2ndFiddle wrote:Probably a false report. It was announced after the game that he had a concussion. I think its pretty obvious that they wouldnt have cleared him 20 minutes after suffering a concussion. He probably won't even be cleared for next game

It's not like they have anything to play for at this point. Seeding is basically locked up at the top of the conference.

Why would that matter? If Drs won't medically clear someone to play because of head injuries, he won't play.

clockwork247 · Post #1045 » by **clockwork247** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:51 am

this is one of those time where the result is worst than the intention.

I have no doubt artest was trying to throw an elbow, that's how he plays, he looks real clumsy but a lot of his stuff is intentional when you tangle up with him, i can't imagine an NBA player like him being "clumsy", it just doesn't add up.

I also believe he was trying to hit the person he bump into, but definitely not to the temple area like that... but he also didn't see where he swung that elbow lol.

I think 2-3 game suspension is warranted, but definitely not the 15-20 that these guys are talking about.

this is one of those time that if you're a Laker fan you probably say it's unintentional, well it's unintentional on the location where he hit, but it's definitely intentional that he wanted to swing that elbow and hit something/someone. If the NBA go hard, then he might miss the 1st round of the play off.

DCsportsallday · Post #1046 » by **DCsportsallday** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:51 am

and for anyone who thinks that concussions aren't terrifying, horrible things that should be punished severely:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 09388.html

kblo247 · Post #1047 » by **kblo247** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:52 am

pross wrote:I'm having a hard time trying to figure out if kblo247 is a master troll or the ultimate homer. I mean ARE YOU Fing SERIOUS? Just STOP and think about what you are trying to say. Seriously. Take a moment sit back and think if this was Ibaka doing it to Kobe Bryant. I guarantee you'd be singing a different tune. GUARANTEE! Seriously are you mentally stable?

Now, I don't believe in a life time banning like some people, but to try put this on Harden and say a 2-3 game suspension is all that's warranted is ridiculous. This is a 10 game minimum suspension and I truly believe it will be closer to 15-20 games. Sig it, book mark it, do whatever you want.

Point blank

Kobe isn't stupid enough to be the offensive player and go down in a defensive position against someone with their back turned, get up under them to the headis at the arm pit level and lean in. That is what Harden did.

Harden wasn't receiving an inbounds, he wasn't even in the dunk contest as he was the last of the 5 Thunder back defensively. He chose to walk up, crouch under Ron who was beating his chest looking at the crowd, and lean in to take a flop and swing the momentum. People who have watched him play this year have seen Harden fake an elbow to the head versus Dallas in the same scenario, right down to faking he was hurting and then getting up when he got the call.

My problem is with the act Harden did as that isn't a basketball play. Taking a dive isn't cool, as that was what he intended to do. Just name dropping Kobe is silly because Kobe doesn't have a history of putting his head in a spot to be hit and taking a dive to get a guy tossed or a flagrant/t to swing momentum. Harden however has a past history of doing the act, just like Ron has a past.

3 games is more than enough because 2 are playoff games. Rama got 1 for a blatant clothesline he didn't apologize for. Horry got two for a hip check. Dwight got one for a elbow intentionally to the head of a sixer. He league values them more. Missing 2 of those games is like 4 regular season games.

Suspend Ron, fine him on tip of it. Don't excuse Harden though like you people are doing and trying to act like this is the first time he has put his elf Ina. Position to take a dive that looked like an elbow to the head. He just got hit and hit hard because he was slow flopping, nothing more and nothing less as Harden initiated the scenario happening

gino_giode · Post #1048 » by **gino_giode** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:52 am

I just want to say that players have to stop getting into an opponent's grill after a big play in order to start **** up to draw a technical. Harden intentionally got into MWP's side. And not just him, so many players do it. Perkins does it ALL the time (picked up from the Celts and no doubt passed on to OKC). The Heat do this way too often as well.

Not trying to deflect from MWP's intentional elbow, but players have been doing this too often knowing that there won't be consequences in order to mess with an emotionally charged player and draw a retaliation shove and subsequent technical.

It's a puss move but the reality is it's smart. Sorta like flopping. It's shameful, but the Heat and Clips do it because it works and throws the other team off their game.

MastaStrategist · Post #1049 » by **MastaStrategist** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:52 am

Biohazard · Post #1050 » by **Biohazard** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:53 am

Harden was playing with fire and got burned from trash talk in previous games building up to this. It's not like there was no fault on his part.

kblo247 · Post #1051 » by **kblo247** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:54 am

Voice_of_Reason wrote:Bynum got 5 agmes for hit on Barea. I'd think 10 for Artest. You can't blatantly elbow a guy in the head.

That was the third guy Bynum hit out the air. He collapsed Gerald Wallace lung and gave Beasley a hip flexor before the hit. That isn't helping your case

Neutral 123 · Post #1052 » by **Neutral 123** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:54 am

MastaStrategist wrote:
Neutral 123 wrote:
MastaStrategist wrote:
The point I don't think you get is that what happened with Dallas wasn't done to get a competitive advantage, which is your main argument for why it's so deplorable. What happened against Dallas was done during the last game in a sweep out of pure frustration.

Was it wrong? Yes

Was it done to get a competitive advantage? No

It wasn't just at the end of the series. The Artest clothesline was early in the series. Also, I didn't say it was only used to get a competitive advantage, it also serves to sabotage the team that beat you. You know that if they respond to your cheap shots that they will face playoff suspensions and possibly cost themselves a title. Had key players responded to the crap they pulled last year, Dallas possibly loses to OKC. The league has to recognize and punish teams that take advantage of the fact that championship caliber teams cannot respond to cheap shots because they actually have a title to compete for. They did it to Dallas last year, and they just did it to OKC today. It's disgusting.

You're trying way too hard bro. Players don't sit and think about how or to what extent they will sabotage a team. You don't think you'd get more of an uproar from other team's coaches/owners/players? Give me a break

Sure, and I don't blame them. That's so reprehensible it's hard to imagine, and I wouldn't believe it either unless I saw it repeatedly from the same team with my own eyes. Like I said earlier though, I don't believe the league should act on the franchise as yet. But another display like that during these playoffs and they really have to do something. Sorry, but team's lose. The Lakers don't have a right to start taking cheap shots at teams. The Lakers have done plenty of winning and will likely do plenty more sometime in the future, so this would ultimately benefit them. The idea of a team losing a player to injury or suspension to this type of stuff is awful. It needs to be cleaned up.

C-izMe · Post #1053 » by **C-izMe** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:54 am

Bynum only got 5 for the Barea play so I say three for Ron. He seemed sincerely sorry and I don't think he thought he would hit him that hard.

On the other hand I think Harden deserved some type of hit (not the one that he got). Quit trying to get a foul so hard and don't bump Artest. He's an emotionally unstable man-child. Harden knew he was going to be bumped/hit and decided to be sneaky.

Palmeirense · Post #1054 » by **Palmeirense** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:55 am

I'm just in awe at some of the posts of the first 20 pages, tons of keyboard warriors here claiming this is ''hard basketball'' and that ''they would dish it out and take one like this''.

CollegeToPros · Post #1055 » by **CollegeToPros** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:55 am

pross wrote:I'm having a hard time trying to figure out if kblo247 is a master troll or the ultimate homer. I mean ARE YOU Fing SERIOUS? Just STOP and think about what you are trying to say. Seriously. Take a moment sit back and think if this was Ibaka doing it to Kobe Bryant. I guarantee you'd be singing a different tune. GUARANTEE! Seriously are you mentally stable?

Now, I don't believe in a life time banning like some people, but to try put this on Harden and say a 2-3 game suspension is all that's warranted is ridiculous. This is a 10 game minimum suspension and I truly believe it will be closer to 15-20 games. Sig it, book mark it, do whatever you want.

finally someone said it. just replace ibaka with perkins elbow to kobes head and see the reaction from lakers fans.

AllzGudInDaHood · Post #1056 » by **AllzGudInDaHood** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:55 am

theokie wrote:
AllzGudInDaHood wrote:
theokie wrote:It's not like they have anything to play for at this point. Seeding is basically locked up at the top of the conference.

Why would that matter? If Drs won't medically clear someone to play because of head injuries, he won't play.

I'm just saying that the fact that he might not play the next game is sort of misleading, because they might just be extra precautious in a game with no ramifications, while if it was a game of any sort of importance he could potentially play.

Neutral 123 · Post #1057 » by **Neutral 123** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:57 am

gino_giode wrote:I just want to say that players have to stop getting into an opponent's grill after a big play in order to start **** up to draw a technical. Harden intentionally got into MWP's side. And not just him, so many players do it. Perkins does it ALL the time (picked up from the Celts and no doubt passed on to OKC). The Heat do this way too often as well.

Not trying to deflect from MWP's intentional elbow, but players have been doing this too often knowing that there won't be consequences in order to mess with an emotionally charged player and draw a retaliation shove and subsequent technical.

It's a puss move but the reality is it's smart. Sorta like flopping. It's shameful, but the Heat and Clips do it because it works and throws the other team off their game.

Artest had just dunked on two guys. That seems like an odd time for Harden to gloat or try to stir sh*t up. It was Artest who had reason to talk trash. Weird, weird stuff from some of you guys.

kblo247 · Post #1058 » by **kblo247** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:57 am

CollegeToPros wrote:
pross wrote:I'm having a hard time trying to figure out if kblo247 is a master troll or the ultimate homer. I mean ARE YOU Fing SERIOUS? Just STOP and think about what you are trying to say. Seriously. Take a moment sit back and think if this was Ibaka doing it to Kobe Bryant. I guarantee you'd be singing a different tune. GUARANTEE! Seriously are you mentally stable?

Now, I don't believe in a life time banning like some people, but to try put this on Harden and say a 2-3 game suspension is all that's warranted is ridiculous. This is a 10 game minimum suspension and I truly believe it will be closer to 15-20 games. Sig it, book mark it, do whatever you want.

finally someone said it. just replace ibaka with perkins elbow to kobes head and see the reaction from lakers fans.

Sure tell kobe to go up behind a guy for no reason and duck downtown their arm pit level and lean I while they are beating their chest. People obviously don't watch the games all year to know what Hrden did was not a basketball play, it was a cheap stunt, a cheap stunt he had pulled off versus Dallas where he flopped and act like he got hit with an elbow to the head to turn the momentum of a game

C-izMe · Post #1059 » by **C-izMe** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:58 am

The play should have him out for 5-10 games. Seeing how Bynum only got 5 I can't see how this hit was worse.

theokie · Post #1060 » by **theokie** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:58 am

AllzGudInDaHood wrote:
theokie wrote:
Why would that matter? If Drs won't medically clear someone to play because of head injuries, he won't play.

I'm just saying that the fact that he might not play the next game is sort of misleading, because they might just be extra precautious in a game with no ramifications, while if it was a game of any sort of importance he could potentially play.

Please go read something on head injuries and concussions in sports. If he has a concussion, and its game 7 of the finals, he wouldnt play and thats the truth.