The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

JojoSlimbiid · Post #1041 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:45 am

Andy123 wrote:Embiid could , just notice everytime embiid sits sixer's get blown off the court.
They're not even competitive with no embiid.
For anyone arguing Simmons for all star game take off your bias lens and see the truth ..He has potential but is not quite all star level yet.

This didn't age well.

QPR · Post #1042 » by **QPR** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:45 am

PhilBlackson wrote:Can there be a separate thread made to debate Simmons vs Mitchell?!

For the award or just in general?

There's no debate for the award.

nurseryc · Post #1043 » by **nurseryc** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:00 am

Simmons with another triple double. Man this guy is incredible!!!

GM Wotsup · Post #1044 » by **GM Wotsup** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:01 am

Watch out if your team is one that had some reason for Big Ben being overlooked. He's coming after you. :lol:

deflated · Post #1045 » by **deflated** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:02 am

Serious question: does Simmons have any shot at the All-Defence teams? His stats are outstanding and look like he should get a spot based on that and his play, it's hard to tell how much rep and past performance play into the voter's choices. Couldn't see if any rookies had previously made the teams.

HotelVitale · Post #1046 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:17 am

People keep talking about how dangerous Simmons would be with a jumper but to me the far more easily acquired thing that'll make him a serious weapon is learning how to draw fouls. He can create separation from just about anyone but now he's still often either avoiding contact or else only looking to pass once he gets into the paint (if he doens't have a clear lane all the way to the cup). It should be a pretty easy adjustment and I'd expect it to be the next step he takes towards becoming an all-NBA level guy.

jangles86 · Post #1047 » by **jangles86** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:18 am

If Ben Simmons is not the best first year player then I’ll throw up.
Absolute freak.

Alex DeLarge · Post #1048 » by **Alex DeLarge** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:21 am

I happen to be of the opinion that both Simmons and Mitchell are monsters.

They are interesting cases. Mitchell appears certain to be a superstar for years to come. Simmons, however, has the greater upside, because he can do already everything at an elite level with the exception of shooting from the perimeter. If he develops into a reliable shooter, he has MVP potential. However, if shooting continues to be an achilles heel, he dramatically lowers his team's championship potential due to being easily defendable come playoff time.

jangles86 · Post #1049 » by **jangles86** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:21 am

Andy123 wrote:Embiid could , just notice everytime embiid sits sixer's get blown off the court.
They're not even competitive with no embiid.
For anyone arguing Simmons for all star game take off your bias lens and see the truth ..He has potential but is not quite all star level yet.

Ben Simmons is comfortably playing at an all star level.
He is already an elite defender.

Alex DeLarge · Post #1050 » by **Alex DeLarge** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:22 am

HotelVitale wrote:People keep talking about how dangerous Simmons would be with a jumper but to me the far more easily acquired thing that'll make him a serious weapon is learning how to draw fouls. He can create separation from just about anyone but now he's still often either avoiding contact or else only looking to pass once he gets into the paint (if he doens't have a clear lane all the way to the cup). It should be a pretty easy adjustment and I'd expect it to be the next step he takes towards becoming an all-NBA level guy.

That will come as he develops more consistency in his shot.

Bad free throw shooters don't enjoy going to the line.

Post #1051 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:34 am

deflated wrote:Serious question: does Simmons have any shot at the All-Defence teams? His stats are outstanding and look like he should get a spot based on that and his play, it's hard to tell how much rep and past performance play into the voter's choices. Couldn't see if any rookies had previously made the teams.

Rookies don’t get that kind of respect.

Stoked · Post #1052 » by **Stoked** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:42 am

Mitchell set a 2nd all time NBA record tonight.

#1 most 3 pointers made by a rookie at this point in the season. Ever

#2. First rookie to lead his team in scoring during an 11 game win streak. Ever.

Post #1053 » by **jazzfan1971** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:44 am

#2 is pretty damn impressive.

leaguegod692 · Post #1054 » by **leaguegod692** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:53 am

mitchell is the best ROY runner up since 2004, great year by both players

HotelVitale · Post #1055 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:55 am

Alex DeLarge wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:People keep talking about how dangerous Simmons would be with a jumper but to me the far more easily acquired thing that'll make him a serious weapon is learning how to draw fouls. He can create separation from just about anyone but now he's still often either avoiding contact or else only looking to pass once he gets into the paint (if he doens't have a clear lane all the way to the cup). It should be a pretty easy adjustment and I'd expect it to be the next step he takes towards becoming an all-NBA level guy.
That will come as he develops more consistency in his shot. Bad free throw shooters don't enjoy going to the line.

No, it's a different skill that he just doesn't have down pat yet. In part because he's constantly driving in order to pass and hasn't developed an instinct for when to look to pass and when he can draw contact.

Also he's a nearly 60% FT shooter (and was nearly 70% in college), so getting to the line on average is going to get him 1.2ppp. That's as good as the best scorers in the league.

mediocrityrules · Post #1056 » by **mediocrityrules** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:56 am

These two just keep delivering night in, night out. What a race to be watching.

Simmons with his 6th triple double on the season and willing the 76'ers back from about a 23 point deficit at one stage, and Mitchell leading his team in scoring yet again, to yet another win (11 in a row now).

It's a privilege to watch this rookie class.

Stoked · Post #1057 » by **Stoked** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:57 am

mediocrityrules wrote:These two just keep delivering night in, night out. What a race to be watching.

Simmons with his 6th triple double on the season and willing the 76'ers back from about a 23 point deficit at one stage, and Mitchell leading his team in scoring yet again, to yet another win (11 in a row now).

It's a privilege to watch this rookie class.

Right!?

Either way, what an amazing right. Amazing to be here to watch both these men establish their stars in half a season.

vossy_3 · Post #1058 » by **vossy_3** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:08 am

Stoked wrote:Mitchell set a 2nd all time NBA record tonight.

#1 most 3 pointers made by a rookie at this point in the season. Ever

#2. First rookie to lead his team in scoring during an 11 game win streak. Ever.

And probably number 1 for most 3 pointers taken.

He is a chucker...

HotelVitale · Post #1059 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:09 am

Stoked wrote:Mitchell set a 2nd all time NBA record tonight.
#2. First rookie to lead his team in scoring during an 11 game win streak. Ever.

I love Mitchell but I hate these type of stats. He's shooting like 37% during the win streak and many of those games someone else led the team in scoring. (Plus some of those games he was playing badly in, and one he missed altogether).

The stat is really just pointing out that a team is rarely good enough to win 11 straight without having a primary scorer--leaving a rare opportunity for a rookie scoring 19ppg to lead the team. That stat is way more about the weirdness of the Jazz than anything historic that Mitchell himself is doing.

Stoked · Post #1060 » by **Stoked** » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:13 am

vossy_3 wrote:
Stoked wrote:Mitchell set a 2nd all time NBA record tonight.

#1 most 3 pointers made by a rookie at this point in the season. Ever

#2. First rookie to lead his team in scoring during an 11 game win streak. Ever.

And probably number 1 for most 3 pointers taken.

He is a chucker...

And still dominating while starting to increase his assist numbers.

Have fun with your take.

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