ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion

[Drygon]

LeBron James fans right now

[KGtabake]

Great show overall but one point has deeply disturbed me: how much Kukoc's importance on the second three peat has been almost totally undervalued.
Hell, watching This show, you would believe Steve Kerr or Scott Burrell were more important than Toni Kukoc in that team.
Take that crucial game 7 against Indiana, not even one word for Toni's great and absolutely crucial contribution to that win.
Really disgusted for this guy who deserved way better than that.

Édit: i see i'm not the only one to have been completely bemused by Kukoc's treatment during this show.

This and Krause.
Curse the guy all you want, he had issues but he knew his job better than anyone.
He built these teams. He picked all the players minus MJ. He hired Jackson.
He insisted for Kukoc.
It would have been nice if they had one guy/gal of Krause's family/circle talk.

[The Rodzilla]

Typically 28 pts 8 assists and 9 rebounds in a game 7 speaks for itself

shooting 9 from 25 and missing 5 free throws, the pacers would have been excited if you told them pre game about it

kukoc scored 21 on 11 shots so it should have been mentioned that the guy Krause found halfway around the world that Jordan didnt want ended up saving the Jordan finally proving that the organisation wins titles

Reggie Miller talked about that jump ball.
Not Bulls players.

reggie miller wants to be part of the basketball media so he knows to obey the Jordan industrial complex, he is no dummy

he goes on late night talk shows to tell stories about Michael Jordan and how great he was, so he is now an MJ spokesman

Larry Bird also talked about it, so what are the chances they both specifically brought up a play that happened with 7 minutes to go as something that was critical? 0.08%? like I said they missed an opportunity to clear up the Jordan brick immediately after it so that should automatically become the thing that upsets them

they were obviously told by the makers that they were going to talk about the jumpball so they needed some quotes about how critical it was

[KGtabake]

shooting 9 from 25 and missing 5 free throws, the pacers would have been excited if you told them pre game about it

kukoc scored 21 on 11 shots so it should have been mentioned that the guy Krause found halfway around the world that Jordan didnt want ended up saving the Jordan finally proving that the organisation wins titles

Reggie Miller talked about that jump ball.
Not Bulls players.

reggie miller wants to be part of the basketball media so he knows to obey the Jordan industrial complex, he is no dummy

he goes on late night talk shows to tell stories about Michael Jordan and how great he was, so he is now an MJ spokesman

Larry Bird also talked about it, so what are the chances they both specifically brought up a play that happened with 7 minutes to go as something that was critical? 0.08%? like I said they missed an opportunity to clear up the Jordan brick immediately after it so that should automatically become the thing that upsets them

they were obviously told by the makers that they were going to talk about the jumpball so they needed some quotes about how critical it was

And Larry the Legend was in need of good publicity and all this and that's why he did it.
He is the type of guy who will do what they'll tell him.
Cmon man lol

[J___Av]

shooting 9 from 25 and missing 5 free throws, the pacers would have been excited if you told them pre game about it

kukoc scored 21 on 11 shots so it should have been mentioned that the guy Krause found halfway around the world that Jordan didnt want ended up saving the Jordan finally proving that the organisation wins titles

Reggie Miller talked about that jump ball.
Not Bulls players.

reggie miller wants to be part of the basketball media so he knows to obey the Jordan industrial complex, he is no dummy

he goes on late night talk shows to tell stories about Michael Jordan and how great he was, so he is now an MJ spokesman

Larry Bird also talked about it, so what are the chances they both specifically brought up a play that happened with 7 minutes to go as something that was critical? 0.08%? like I said they missed an opportunity to clear up the Jordan brick immediately after it so that should automatically become the thing that upsets them

they were obviously told by the makers that they were going to talk about the jumpball so they needed some quotes about how critical it was

Why are you even in this thread if all you are going to do is bitch?

[Petergrifindor]

Reading the forum these past weeks reminds me constantly of that Marlo Stanfield scene of The Wire:

"You want it to be one way... you want it to be one way.... you want it to be one way... but it's the other way"

[The Rodzilla]

Reggie Miller talked about that jump ball.
Not Bulls players.

reggie miller wants to be part of the basketball media so he knows to obey the Jordan industrial complex, he is no dummy

he goes on late night talk shows to tell stories about Michael Jordan and how great he was, so he is now an MJ spokesman

Larry Bird also talked about it, so what are the chances they both specifically brought up a play that happened with 7 minutes to go as something that was critical? 0.08%? like I said they missed an opportunity to clear up the Jordan brick immediately after it so that should automatically become the thing that upsets them

they were obviously told by the makers that they were going to talk about the jumpball so they needed some quotes about how critical it was

And Larry the Legend was in need of good publicity and all this and that's why he did it.
He is the type of guy who will do what they'll tell him.
Cmon man lol

well why else would both of them talk about a jumpball with 7 minutes to go?

they let a rebound get away from them in the next play and they also regained the lead so these things should alleviate the pain of the lost jumpball

I guarantee they were either directed to talk about the jumpball or they did a rundown of all the important 50/50 incidents and the documentary makers picked out the jumpball

whatever the case this is straight up Jordan industrial complex propaganda and ESPN then chose this moment for a comprehensive Jeremy schaap fan poll presentation to finally settle the debate once and for all

don't fall for it

[Lakers In 5]

reggie miller wants to be part of the basketball media so he knows to obey the Jordan industrial complex, he is no dummy

he goes on late night talk shows to tell stories about Michael Jordan and how great he was, so he is now an MJ spokesman

Larry Bird also talked about it, so what are the chances they both specifically brought up a play that happened with 7 minutes to go as something that was critical? 0.08%? like I said they missed an opportunity to clear up the Jordan brick immediately after it so that should automatically become the thing that upsets them

they were obviously told by the makers that they were going to talk about the jumpball so they needed some quotes about how critical it was

And Larry the Legend was in need of good publicity and all this and that's why he did it.
He is the type of guy who will do what they'll tell him.
Cmon man lol

well why else would both of them talk about a jumpball with 7 minutes to go?

they let a rebound get away from them in the next play and they also regained the lead so these things should alleviate the pain of the lost jumpball

I guarantee they were either directed to talk about the jumpball or they did a rundown of all the important 50/50 incidents and the documentary makers picked out the jumpball

whatever the case this is straight up Jordan industrial complex propaganda and ESPN then chose this moment for a comprehensive Jeremy schaap fan poll presentation to finally settle the debate once and for all

don't fall for it

I didn't know it was possible for someone to come out worse of this documentary series than Krause and Reinsdorf, but here we are. It's all a conspiracy between the media, who are doing everything within their power to make sure Jordan was and remains seen as the #1 guy in the NBA. How dare they include a pivotal play in the series by Jordan in a documentary series about Jordan!?

[The Rebel]

Andrea Kremer is right...

It's amazing how ridiculous Jordan's celebrity still far exceed's any other athlete's celebrity while not having the aid of the 24-hour news cycle and social media to constantly promote him. As worldwide famous as Kobe and LeBron are, they still never quite reached the levels of global fame and celebrity as MJ.

That's because everyone was at home watching nba games together has a family on the big old t.v vs now where there is so many outlets of entertainment I would say it was like a 8 yr span of the last dance every other day aka soap opera

You obviously have no idea what life was like in the 90s. People watch more TV now than they did back then, most of us were working and playing sports. hours spent in front of a TV have went way up according to research today.

[The Rodzilla]

Why are you even in this thread if all you are going to do is bitch?

don't worry about the Rodzilla, you should be more worried about the Jordan propaganda channel ESPN

[-TheDocOfDenial]

Why are you even in this thread if all you are going to do is bitch?

don't worry about the Rodzilla, you should be more worried about the Jordan propaganda channel ESPN

Thats funny when ESPN hypes up what LeBron ate for breakfast and turns into a stat to prop him up. The LeBron fanbase melting down like Chernobyl has been the best part about this documantry.

[mccluskey]

reggie miller wants to be part of the basketball media so he knows to obey the Jordan industrial complex, he is no dummy

he goes on late night talk shows to tell stories about Michael Jordan and how great he was, so he is now an MJ spokesman

Larry Bird also talked about it, so what are the chances they both specifically brought up a play that happened with 7 minutes to go as something that was critical? 0.08%? like I said they missed an opportunity to clear up the Jordan brick immediately after it so that should automatically become the thing that upsets them

they were obviously told by the makers that they were going to talk about the jumpball so they needed some quotes about how critical it was

And Larry the Legend was in need of good publicity and all this and that's why he did it.
He is the type of guy who will do what they'll tell him.
Cmon man lol

well why else would both of them talk about a jumpball with 7 minutes to go?

they let a rebound get away from them in the next play and they also regained the lead so these things should alleviate the pain of the lost jumpball

I guarantee they were either directed to talk about the jumpball or they did a rundown of all the important 50/50 incidents and the documentary makers picked out the jumpball

whatever the case this is straight up Jordan industrial complex propaganda and ESPN then chose this moment for a comprehensive Jeremy schaap fan poll presentation to finally settle the debate once and for all

don't fall for it

[The Rodzilla]

Why are you even in this thread if all you are going to do is bitch?

don't worry about the Rodzilla, you should be more worried about the Jordan propaganda channel ESPN

Thats funny when ESPN hypes up what LeBron ate for breakfast and turns into a stat to prop him up. The LeBron fanbase melting down like Chernobyl has been the best part about this documantry.

ESPN is the worldwide leader in LeBron hate even after skip bayless left

btw I hate how people claim that opposition having a meltdown means something, like Nazi germany probably claimed that the decent people in the country at the time were having a meltdown about all the propaganda and government policies but of course they were correct to have a meltdown

LeBron fans are correct to have a meltdown about ESPN, the jordan industrial complex media outlet with talking heads to rival fox news

[trueballer7]

And Larry the Legend was in need of good publicity and all this and that's why he did it.
He is the type of guy who will do what they'll tell him.
Cmon man lol

well why else would both of them talk about a jumpball with 7 minutes to go?

they let a rebound get away from them in the next play and they also regained the lead so these things should alleviate the pain of the lost jumpball

I guarantee they were either directed to talk about the jumpball or they did a rundown of all the important 50/50 incidents and the documentary makers picked out the jumpball

whatever the case this is straight up Jordan industrial complex propaganda and ESPN then chose this moment for a comprehensive Jeremy schaap fan poll presentation to finally settle the debate once and for all

don't fall for it

If only Lebron rode one of these and charged head on with a spear at Jason Terry, maybe there wouldnt be so much crying today

[jc23]

*And The Bulls begin to rebuild*


Still in 2020...

lol yep, it was a unique gift to be able to relive moments from my youth but reality came back in the room with that final scene.

[-TheDocOfDenial]

don't worry about the Rodzilla, you should be more worried about the Jordan propaganda channel ESPN

Thats funny when ESPN hypes up what LeBron ate for breakfast and turns into a stat to prop him up. The LeBron fanbase melting down like Chernobyl has been the best part about this documantry.

ESPN is the worldwide leader in LeBron hate even after skip bayless left

btw I hate how people claim that opposition having a meltdown means something, like Nazi germany probably claimed that the decent people in the country at the time were having a meltdown about all the propaganda and government policies but of course they were correct to have a meltdown

LeBron fans are correct to have a meltdown about ESPN, the jordan industrial complex media outlet with talking heads to rival fox news

ESPN is the worldwide hate for LeBron yet they just had him #2 all time over Magic and Kareem, two players who had a lot more career success while having all time peaks themselves.

ESPN the same company that has had multiple LeBron trackers and employ writers who put out hit pieces from LeBron.

The meltdown is due to the fact that this series has elevated Jordan even higher than LeBron and his fans can't handle that a new generation of kids will think what the majority of NBA fans already knew and thought, LeBron is not the GOAT.

[jc23]

Great show overall but one point has deeply disturbed me: how much Kukoc's importance on the second three peat has been almost totally undervalued.
Hell, watching This show, you would believe Steve Kerr or Scott Burrell were more important than Toni Kukoc in that team.
Take that crucial game 7 against Indiana, not even one word for Toni's great and absolutely crucial contribution to that win.
Really disgusted for this guy who deserved way better than that.

Édit: i see i'm not the only one to have been completely bemused by Kukoc's treatment during this show.

Bill Simmons and Ryan Russillo have been dogging him on their podcast recently, not saying he was a bad player just that in the bulls games they have rewatched he mostly was a non factor. Obviously not so in that game 7 vs indy.

[jc23]

The lebron trolls in this thread did more harm then good in his defense imo. It was the equivalent of having a couple of flies in your home while your trying to watch TV, just annoying and out of place.

[The Rodzilla]

ESPN is the worldwide hate for LeBron yet they just had him #2 all time over Magic and Kareem, two players who had a lot more career success while having all time peaks themselves.

ESPN the same company that has had multiple LeBron trackers and employ writers who put out hit pieces from LeBron.

The meltdown is due to the fact that this series has elevated Jordan even higher than LeBron and his fans can't handle that a new generation of kids will think what the majority of NBA fans already knew and thought, LeBron is not the GOAT.

they track LeBron so they can hate on him, they want all the dirt they can get

"Lebron had corn flakes for breakfast which means that he doesn't have the killer instinct like Jordan did"

[Sgt Major]

Lol he didn't find Kukoc in a forest or a desert. Toni played for Yugoslavia and, later, Croatia and Yugoslavian team that won three Euroleague titles in a row, so he wasn't really a hidden gem. The Balkans gave a lot of excellent players that left their mark in the NBA and Toni is still the best among them.

every other nba team didn't pick him

Ignorance is harmful.