NBA protocols/Covid/Vaccine - Discussion thread

[nikster]

1. Im not anti-vax. Ive taken plenty of vaccines.

2. Less than 4 percent of people who catch covid are hospitalized. 4 out of 5 of those hospitalized are obese.

Antivax is a spectrum. When you spread antivax misinformation and talking points and refuse a vaccine with obvious risk/benefit profile you are antivax.

How many vaccines have a better risk/benefit than the Pfizer or modernas vaccine?

Every other vaccine in history was researched for many years and actually gives you immunity from catching the virus.

This was rushed out in 7 months and doesnt give immunity. it's still in experimental phase.

yeah so absolutely nothing just like i thought

[ZB9]

Antivax is a spectrum. When you spread antivax misinformation and talking points and refuse a vaccine with obvious risk/benefit profile you are antivax.

How many vaccines have a better risk/benefit than the Pfizer or modernas vaccine?

Every other vaccine in history was researched for many years and actually gives you immunity from catching the virus.

This was rushed out in 7 months and doesnt give immunity. it's still in experimental phase.

yeah so absolutely nothing just like i thought

Are there any covid "vaccines" that provide immunity from covid? yes or no

Are there any covid "vaccines" available to the public that do not have liability shields?

[76ciology]

Michaelm,

Im not here for a debate because i admittedly am not an expert on this matter, so I may or may not reply to this because im not THAT knowledgeable on this matter. But I do share the (passion?) in learning about this pandemic like others.

Again, im not anti-vax. Im just anti-vax mandates. Whereas my household have some people I encouraged to take the vax because i find that they need it to protect themselves.

What can you say about what’s happening in Singapore?

With 80% of population fully vaxxed with first world mass testing (they can even test at home) and first world tracing. And all the necessary precautions. All of which should be among the best in the world.

But despite all that there’s a surge in cases and hospitalization among vaxxed.

This also kind of also happened in Israel.

I also would like to know your opinion on this recent studies about how MRNA vaccines only lasts for around 6-7 months. This also coincides with how some countries are open to mass booster shots.

Are you OK with taking booster shots every 6-7 months? That’s like around 40 booster shots in the next 20 years. Personally, I find that the risk of the vax in getting double dosed is low. But getting boosters after boosters could increase your risk exponentially.

And wouldnt the factors of waning vax efficacy, limited vax supply, vax hesitancy and slow vax rollouts just creates pockets of unvaxed population that factoring the vax and this situation, this almost guarantees a perpetual and speeds up the mutation of the virus rather than just taking the natural herd immunity approach?

The delta variant actually arose in India where there was very little vaccination and few other measures, the latter very difficult in any case because of their demographics of course, and the original virus spread unchecked.

Singapore still has only 130 deaths in total from the whole pandemic, so hardly constitutes a case study in mismanagement of the pandemic. The Pfizer vaccine may well be imperfect due to longevity issues as FNQ has already conceded, but there seems to be quite a body of opinion that at worst this recurrence is likely to give the infected vaccinated patients high levels of immunity, probably better than herd immunity from actual infection with the virus according to the same papers that people cite in regard to immunity from actual viral infection, without people dying or getting sick much at all from the virus itself. Israel which was earlier in original vaccination and earlier to revaccinate the elderly and health workers are down to 761 cases daily on the most recent figures I can find, and have had a much lower death rate with this wave than with the initial wave. One reason the delta variant is problematic is that children both get infected with the virus and transmit the virus at a much higher rate than the original variant, and they weren't vaccinated originally. Israel also has a significant orthodox Jewish contingent who were anti-vaccination and didn't get vaccinated originally and were over represented in both infections and deaths with the recent delta variant wave. Singapore has a significant migrant worker population living in high density/dormitory accommodation whom they didn't even count with the first wave, and they are also over represented in the current wave, comprising about a third of the cases on recent daily figures I saw.

Thanks a lot for your response, definitely give me more context on what the numbers tell me

[ZB9]

These "vaccines" were rushed out very fast and they are still in the experimental phase...none available to the public are even FDA approved (the pfizer vax that was FDA approved is not the one that is available to the public, a typical Pfizer slight of hand tactic).

Many people are experimenting extreme symptoms from the "vaccines', such as heart problems and even death. However, none of the manufacturers have any liability for the product that people are injecting. They were all given liability shields by governments.

Much more research is needed. It seems that many people are just fine BEING the research.

[nikster]

Every other vaccine in history was researched for many years and actually gives you immunity from catching the virus.

This was rushed out in 7 months and doesnt give immunity. it's still in experimental phase.

yeah so absolutely nothing just like i thought

Are there any covid "vaccines" that provide immunity from covid? yes or no

Are there any covid "vaccines" available to the public that do not have liability shields?

where do you get your definition of "vaccines" and why is that in quotations?

[xdrta+]

These "vaccines" were rushed out very fast and they are still in the experimental phase...none available to the public are even FDA approved (the pfizer vax that was FDA approved is not the one that is available to the public, a typical Pfizer slight of hand tactic).

Who do you think it is available to?

[nikster]

These "vaccines" were rushed out very fast and they are still in the experimental phase...none available to the public are even FDA approved (the pfizer vax that was FDA approved is not the one that is available to the public, a typical Pfizer slight of hand tactic).

Many people are experimenting extreme symptoms from the "vaccines', such as heart problems and even death. However, none of the manufacturers have any liability for the product that people are injecting. They were all given liability shields by governments. Much more research is needed. It seems that many people are just fine BEING the research.

which pfizer product is FDA approved and which pfizer product is being offered to the public, and whats the difference?

[michaelm]

Enough already, I have probably put my own position more than sufficiently on this thread. I am fine with Covid 19 fizzling out/ becoming a low grade endemic pathogen without vaccination as well, just not sure how anyone can be confident this will occur.

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Sure, this post contains interesting data and I have no issue with you at all concerning same. I was aware that the delta variant wave had waned in both India and Indonesia without a high vaccination rate which is very encouraging, and as I said in another post before I read this one of yours the thing pretty obviously waxes and wanes independent of vaccination and other human endeavours. When delta hit here in Australia it was running rampant in both those countries with no end in sight, which is what made our state governments go hard. Here where I live in Australia the wave seemed to start receding when we hit 50% 'full' vaccination, but sure coincidence is not causation as I have said previously. In those 2 countries with large and widespread populations while I am sure that the disease is generally receding I think it is hard to know how much damage it caused prior to receding, and not through subterfuge, I suspect they just don't have reliable data for deaths and morbidity. I can tell you people of Indian extraction in Sydney had a very high uptake of vaccination because of what had happened in/what they had heard from relatives and friends in India.

[ZB9]

yeah so absolutely nothing just like i thought

Are there any covid "vaccines" that provide immunity from covid? yes or no

Are there any covid "vaccines" available to the public that do not have liability shields?

where do you get your definition of "vaccines" and why is that in quotations?

You asked this on page 52 and i answered you with the definition of vaccines.

[ZB9]

These "vaccines" were rushed out very fast and they are still in the experimental phase...none available to the public are even FDA approved (the pfizer vax that was FDA approved is not the one that is available to the public, a typical Pfizer slight of hand tactic).

Who do you think it is available to?

The one that was FDA approved is not available to anyone yet.

[ZB9]

These "vaccines" were rushed out very fast and they are still in the experimental phase...none available to the public are even FDA approved (the pfizer vax that was FDA approved is not the one that is available to the public, a typical Pfizer slight of hand tactic).

Many people are experimenting extreme symptoms from the "vaccines', such as heart problems and even death. However, none of the manufacturers have any liability for the product that people are injecting. They were all given liability shields by governments. Much more research is needed. It seems that many people are just fine BEING the research.

which pfizer product is FDA approved and which pfizer product is being offered to the public, and whats the difference?

The one available to the public has not been FDA approved.

The main difference is that the one that was FDA approved will not have a liability shield.

[garrick]

These "vaccines" were rushed out very fast and they are still in the experimental phase...none available to the public are even FDA approved (the pfizer vax that was FDA approved is not the one that is available to the public, a typical Pfizer slight of hand tactic).

Many people are experimenting extreme symptoms from the "vaccines', such as heart problems and even death. However, none of the manufacturers have any liability for the product that people are injecting. They were all given liability shields by governments.

Much more research is needed. It seems that many people are just fine BEING the research.

https://youtu.be/pp-nPZETLTo?t=7716

The reason the vaccines were able to be tested and produced in record time was that all the steps to produce the vaccines were started all at once, factories and equipment were being built at the same time the phase 1 & 2 trials were just starting.

Normally you would do testing first and then start building machinery and factories as the last step to mass produce the vaccine, with Covid all the steps and preparation were done at the start so that by the time the vaccine testing and approval was given they were able to start mass production.

Also mRNA vaccine development has been going on for decades so it's not like they just developed it overnight, it's been in development for over 3 decades.

[nikster]

These "vaccines" were rushed out very fast and they are still in the experimental phase...none available to the public are even FDA approved (the pfizer vax that was FDA approved is not the one that is available to the public, a typical Pfizer slight of hand tactic).

Many people are experimenting extreme symptoms from the "vaccines', such as heart problems and even death. However, none of the manufacturers have any liability for the product that people are injecting. They were all given liability shields by governments. Much more research is needed. It seems that many people are just fine BEING the research.

which pfizer product is FDA approved and which pfizer product is being offered to the public, and whats the difference?

The one available to the public has not been FDA approved.

The main difference is that the one that was FDA approved will not have a liability shield.

okay but are they different product, different formulations? Are you suggesting FDA approved an identical product to protect Pfizer?

[nikster]

Are there any covid "vaccines" that provide immunity from covid? yes or no

Are there any covid "vaccines" available to the public that do not have liability shields?

where do you get your definition of "vaccines" and why is that in quotations?

You asked this on page 52 and i answered you with the definition of vaccines.

ah, so you seem to think immunity means it needs to be 100% effective

[ItsDanger]

Prove it works, then you have to go through all of the clinical trials, phase 1, phase 2, phase 3 and then show this particular product is going to be good over a period of years. That alone, if it works perfectly, is going to take a decade.

- Tony Fauci 2019

Watch on YouTube

He's lamenting that we need something to accelerate this process. Enter mRNA.

[ZB9]

These "vaccines" were rushed out very fast and they are still in the experimental phase...none available to the public are even FDA approved (the pfizer vax that was FDA approved is not the one that is available to the public, a typical Pfizer slight of hand tactic).

Many people are experimenting extreme symptoms from the "vaccines', such as heart problems and even death. However, none of the manufacturers have any liability for the product that people are injecting. They were all given liability shields by governments.

Much more research is needed. It seems that many people are just fine BEING the research.

https://youtu.be/pp-nPZETLTo?t=7716

The reason the vaccines were able to be tested and produced in record time was that all the steps to produce the vaccines were started all at once, factories and equipment were being built at the same time the phase 1 & 2 trials were just starting.

Normally you would do testing first and then start building machinery and factories as the last step to mass produce the vaccine, with Covid all the steps and preparation were done at the start so that by the time the vaccine testing and approval was given they were able to start mass production.

Also mRNA vaccine development has been going on for decades so it's not like they just developed it overnight, it's been in development for over 3 decades.

yea and the human trials are going on right now.

[xdrta+]

These "vaccines" were rushed out very fast and they are still in the experimental phase...none available to the public are even FDA approved (the pfizer vax that was FDA approved is not the one that is available to the public, a typical Pfizer slight of hand tactic).

Who do you think it is available to?

The one that was FDA approved is not available to anyone yet.

You could read the FDA announcement and learn that is false.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

Or the letter from the FDA to Pfizer that the agency had "approved the biologics license application" from Pfizer for its coronavirus vaccine "in individuals 16 years of age and older."
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

You really need better sources of information.

[ZB9]

which pfizer product is FDA approved and which pfizer product is being offered to the public, and whats the difference?

The one available to the public has not been FDA approved.

The main difference is that the one that was FDA approved will not have a liability shield.

okay but are they different product, different formulations? Are you suggesting FDA approved an identical product to protect Pfizer?

It sounds like you need to research this.

When you discover that im right and that Pfizer and much of the media has been misleading people about what was FDA approved, will you still shill for them?

[xdrta+]

The one available to the public has not been FDA approved.

The main difference is that the one that was FDA approved will not have a liability shield.

okay but are they different product, different formulations? Are you suggesting FDA approved an identical product to protect Pfizer?

It sounds like you need to research this.

When you discover that im right and that Pfizer and much of the media has been misleading people about what was FDA approved, will you still shill for them?

Right out of the playbook. Make an outrageous (and obviously false) claim and, when asked for sources, tell you to research it yourself. It gets tiresome.

[ZB9]

where do you get your definition of "vaccines" and why is that in quotations?

You asked this on page 52 and i answered you with the definition of vaccines.

ah, so you seem to think immunity means it needs to be 100% effective

nope