Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected

[BelgradeNugget]

People defending either Morris or Jokic are wrong. Neither has a moral high ground. They both did something stupid. Is that really hard to admit?

Is Morris an ass? Absolutely!

Does Jokic look like an ass after this? Absolutely!

Are Jimmy and Heat players asses for "waiting" Nuggets players in the hall to start a fight - absolutely. Is Jimmy ass for calling Nuggets assistent coach to fight? Yes he is. Is Spoelstra ass for calling a cheap, dirty foul that could injure Jokic's knee, and rebs "take foul". Yes biggest ass of all. He should try to calm thinks down. And we could go on and on...

A couple things here. One, you don't know what was said or done between Jimmy and the assistant coach. Two, I'm confident in saying Spo didn't call for a player to take a cheap shot on Jokic, take fouls are normal and your boy Jokic knows a lot about those.

So if assistant coach said to Jimmy **** you, Jimmy has right to hit him? If Morris hits Jokic unnecessary hard and might injure him Jokic doesn't have right to hit back?
I'm also sure Spo didn't didn't call Morris to take a cheap shot on Jokic but Morris did it. And to call it a take foul when your team was blown out with 2 mins left, and there were 4 Heat players in front of Jokic while he was dribling the ball, would be same if I say Jokic bumped Morris a little on his way to free throw line. You know, love tap.

[FinnTheHuman]

Using violence on another player during dead balls, because you took offense to a foul : 1 game suspension

Precedent set.

Nah, the precedent is: Using violence on another player during dead balls, because you took offense to a foul : more than 1 game suspension, unless it's a flagrant done by one of the Morris twins, Pachulia, Grayson Allen etc. It's like you've never heard of track record being a factor when passing judgement.

[Wooderson]

Guys, relax, it's one of the Morris Brothers, it's not like Jokic did it to a decent human being.

That's not how rules and laws work.

You don't get to do whatever you want because your victim is unpopular.

it sets bad precedent and is unjust.


What Jokic did has NO PLACE in sports and I cannot believe he only got 1 game.

Players now have the green light to HIT each other violently during dead balls, and they better not be given more than 1 game.

Players now have the green light to send their 12th man in when the game is for all intents and purposes over, and send a cheap shot to an opponents star player. Remember Beverly taking out Westbrook knee? The league should just allow dirty plays plays because it's between the whistle?

What would you have thought if Jokic had waited until the ball was in bounded an shoved Morris from behind the same exact way? Somehow that makes it better? Nah, it'd be worse since it wasn't in the heat of the moment.

Punish the dirty, pre-meditated instigator and you won't have the reaction to begin with. This isn't rocket science. The NBA is punishing the symptom, not the cause.

[BelgradeNugget]

Morris should do Jokic like Portis did Mirotic

He would if he was not little bitch. If you hit somebody act like a man don't try to pretend nothing happened.

[BelgradeNugget]

Guys, relax, it's one of the Morris Brothers, it's not like Jokic did it to a decent human being.

That's not how rules and laws work.

You don't get to do whatever you want because your victim is unpopular.

it sets bad precedent and is unjust.


What Jokic did has NO PLACE in sports and I cannot believe he only got 1 game.

Players now have the green light to HIT each other violently during dead balls, and they better not be given more than 1 game.

Players now have the green light to send their 12th man in when the game is for all intents and purposes over, and send a cheap shot to an opponents star player. Remember Beverly taking out Westbrook knee? The league should just allow dirty plays plays because it's between the whistle?

What would you have thought if Jokic had waited until the ball was in bounded an shoved Morris from behind the same exact way? Somehow that makes it better? Nah, it'd be worse since it wasn't in the heat of the moment.

Punish the dirty, pre-meditated instigator and you won't have the reaction to begin with. This isn't rocket science. The NBA is punishing the symptom, not the cause.

Or what if Malone sent 12th player off the bench to hit Jimmy hard?

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Players now have the green light to send their 12th man in when the game is for all intents and purposes over, and send a cheap shot to an opponents star player. Remember Beverly taking out Westbrook knee? The league should just allow dirty plays plays because it's between the whistle?

You're exaggerating what Morris did. Why didn't the refs do anything to Morris then? Jokic was not in any danger of injury and the refs didn't call any flagrant to eject Morris.

What would you have thought if Jokic had waited until the ball was in bounded an shoved Morris from behind the same exact way? Somehow that makes it better?

That's how it's always been done. You get hard fouled, so you hard foul back. It's within the spirit of the game, and it allows the referees to deal with it within the confines of the game.


But violently hitting another player during dead ball, because you took offense to a foul? That has no place in sports and you know this. Men with integrity do not put their logic on pause simply because the victim is unpopular.

[Richard Miller]

Jokic was not in any danger of injury

What

[Wooderson]

Players now have the green light to send their 12th man in when the game is for all intents and purposes over, and send a cheap shot to an opponents star player. Remember Beverly taking out Westbrook knee? The league should just allow dirty plays plays because it's between the whistle?

You're exaggerating what Morris did. Why didn't the refs do anything to Morris then? Jokic was not in any danger of injury and the refs didn't call any flagrant to eject Morris.

What would you have thought if Jokic had waited until the ball was in bounded an shoved Morris from behind the same exact way? Somehow that makes it better?

That's how it's always been done. You get hard fouled, so you hard foul back. It's within the spirit of the game, and it allows the referees to deal with it within the confines of the game.


But violently hitting another player during dead ball, because you took offense to a foul? That has no place in sports and you know this. Men with integrity do not put their logic on pause simply because the victim is unpopular.

Uh Morris checked Jokic rib and his knee where he already had injuries. Jokic was clearly at an injury risk, any objective party can see that.

The way the NBA responds doesn't make it right. The league only cares about optics, not actually regulating it as a preventative measure. The reactor gets punished more harshly because they turn it into an incident that then gets talked about by media. There's no way it's better to have it linger one by having players respond with cheap shots later in the game. All they're doing now is encouraging instigators which makes it a longer term problem. Rinse, repeat.

[hisairness]

First a Heat player made an ass of himself, then the entire Heat team decided to embarrass themselves after the game and now Heat realgm fan base follows suit with their takes.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I think this has a place in sports. Personally I enjoy watching bad blood. If Morris was a player without a reputation, of course Jokic isn't going to react that way. Morris is in the league to do stuff like that to guys like Jokic, otherwise he'd be making his more talented twin brother toast in the morning as he gets ready to leave for work.

The Heat want this kind of team. They want to play on the edge and have photographers take pictures of them looking to beat up Jokic after the game. They have to accept that not everyone is going to cower and if it ends with Markieff getting whiplash, then so be it. You mess with the bull...

This was a Heat check, literally. The league is laughing at them now for their reaction.

[twozeroMM]

Are Jimmy and Heat players asses for "waiting" Nuggets players in the hall to start a fight - absolutely. Is Jimmy ass for calling Nuggets assistent coach to fight? Yes he is. Is Spoelstra ass for calling a cheap, dirty foul that could injure Jokic's knee, and rebs "take foul". Yes biggest ass of all. He should try to calm thinks down. And we could go on and on...

A couple things here. One, you don't know what was said or done between Jimmy and the assistant coach. Two, I'm confident in saying Spo didn't call for a player to take a cheap shot on Jokic, take fouls are normal and your boy Jokic knows a lot about those.

So if assistant coach said to Jimmy **** you, Jimmy has right to hit him? If Morris hits Jokic unnecessary hard and might injure him Jokic doesn't have right to hit back?
I'm also sure Spo didn't didn't call Morris to take a cheap shot on Jokic but Morris did it. And to call it a take foul when your team was blown out with 2 mins left, and there were 4 Heat players in front of Jokic while he was dribling the ball, would be same if I say Jokic bumped Morris a little on his way to free throw line. You know, love tap.

I'm not saying what Jokic did was bad or unnecessary, I understand and agree with what he did. And like many have said and are aware of, we know what kind of person Morris is based on the past and he's a dump*** for fouling like that.

[nikster]

Players now have the green light to send their 12th man in when the game is for all intents and purposes over, and send a cheap shot to an opponents star player. Remember Beverly taking out Westbrook knee? The league should just allow dirty plays plays because it's between the whistle?

You're exaggerating what Morris did. Why didn't the refs do anything to Morris then? Jokic was not in any danger of injury and the refs didn't call any flagrant to eject Morris.

What would you have thought if Jokic had waited until the ball was in bounded an shoved Morris from behind the same exact way? Somehow that makes it better?

That's how it's always been done. You get hard fouled, so you hard foul back. It's within the spirit of the game, and it allows the referees to deal with it within the confines of the game.


But violently hitting another player during dead ball, because you took offense to a foul? That has no place in sports and you know this. Men with integrity do not put their logic on pause simply because the victim is unpopular.

Uh Morris checked Jokic rib and his knee where he already had injuries. Jokic was clearly at an injury risk, any objective party can see that.

The way the NBA responds doesn't make it right. The league only cares about optics, not actually regulating it as a preventative measure. The reactor gets punished more harshly because they turn it into an incident that then gets talked about by media. There's no way it's better to have it linger one by having players respond with cheap shots later in the game. All they're doing now is encouraging instigators which makes it a longer term problem. Rinse, repeat.

yeah you have to be delusional to think Jokic wasnt in danger of injury. He could have easily injured on landing as he landed on one leg, and the force from that hit was definitely enough to put a grown man on the floor.

Morris play has no place in sports

[Boardbreaker]

I'm not a Heat fan or a Nuggets fan and Jokic absolutely looks like a clod here.
Maybe it's because I'm not in denial about his history of lowbrow play either.

Neither guy is spotless.

You're in the 'barely anyone else but Heat fans' camp. You're like one of like 3-4 non-Heat fans in this thread who are not siding with Jokic, and it's a 52 page thread with hundreds of different posters. So take a hint.

If Morris' foul was so bad, why didn't any ref call a flagrant to eject him?

Either way, Morris was a BASKETBALL PLAY WITHIN THE GAME.

Jokic HIT A DEFENSELESS PLAYER DURING DEAD BALL.


How can the NBA set the precedent it's okay for players to hit other players during dead balls for plays they don't like? You're not supposed to fight.


This is the entire point. Jokic reaction was specifically VIOLENCE during a dead ball.


He should be out 30 games AT THE MINIMUM and required to go to counseling.

Morris was given a flagrant 2 and ejected as well

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

You're exaggerating what Morris did. Why didn't the refs do anything to Morris then? Jokic was not in any danger of injury and the refs didn't call any flagrant to eject Morris.




That's how it's always been done. You get hard fouled, so you hard foul back. It's within the spirit of the game, and it allows the referees to deal with it within the confines of the game.


But violently hitting another player during dead ball, because you took offense to a foul? That has no place in sports and you know this. Men with integrity do not put their logic on pause simply because the victim is unpopular.

Uh Morris checked Jokic rib and his knee where he already had injuries. Jokic was clearly at an injury risk, any objective party can see that.

The way the NBA responds doesn't make it right. The league only cares about optics, not actually regulating it as a preventative measure. The reactor gets punished more harshly because they turn it into an incident that then gets talked about by media. There's no way it's better to have it linger one by having players respond with cheap shots later in the game. All they're doing now is encouraging instigators which makes it a longer term problem. Rinse, repeat.

yeah you have to be delusional to think Jokic wasnt in danger of injury. He could have easily injured on landing as he landed on one leg, and the force from that hit was definitely enough to put a grown man on the floor.

Morris play has no place in sports

Okay, I won't even argue with you, because then the correct response to that would be the referees giving him a flagrant to eject him.

But they didn't at the time. ..... ( they handed him a Flagrant 2 upon video review after this whole thing blew up)

And even if you disagree, then the correct response after that, is to send official complaint to the League Office for them to review it, etc....

but in no way shape or form, is the response to become violent and hit another player during a dead ball. You know this and I know this.

Everyone in this thread knows this. But they are letting their dislike of Morris get in the way.

A 1 game suspension for getting violent during a dead ball is a joke. You know it. Jokic should have been hit with a hefty suspension AND required counseling for rage control.

[Stribor]

1 game suspension is a JOKE. He was hit with a hard-ish foul on a legit basketball play. He didn't fall to the ground, or anything.

And his response is to slam into a defenseless players back when they aren't looking?

This is emotional rage that has NO place in the game. One was a basketball play, and one was not.


Jokic should be suspended AT LEAST 30 games, ON TOP OF the condition that he gets counseling for rage control.

Legit basketball play? A legit basketball play would have been Morris wrapping Jokic up with his arms like nearly every other take foul in history. Instead Morris wanted to give a dirty cheap shot in garbage time when the game was over. He tried to get away with it disguising it as a basketball play.

Please explain why Morris didn't just grab Jokic to stop the break when that accomplishes the same thing as a body check, while being much less dangerous.

Morris should have been suspended longer than Jokic for initiating the whole thing. At least Jokic was doing it in the heat of the moment instead of pre-meditated bull that Morris pulled.

then complain to the refs and the NBA about Morris hard foul. Like it or not, Morris' foul was a basketball play.


what Jokic did was hit a defenseless player after the whistle blew and dead ball. THAT HAS NO PLACE IN SPORTS

I dont get how Jokic is only hit with 1 game. This is bs.

You dont get to hit defenseless players when you don't like a basketball play.

So all would have been ok if Jokic just srugged that of, and next time close to Morris hit him as strong as ha can with leg in his nuts, while "attacking the basket"? That would be a pure basketball play ...

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Morris was given a flagrant 2 and ejected as well

Only upon video review, AFTER the incident blew up.

Which, as you can see, the system works if you follow the correct procedures.


All Jokic had to do was complain to the refs, and the Nuggets ask the League Office for a review, etc.. and Morris would have been hit with whatever they saw fit.


But you cannot defend what Jokic did.

1 game is not enough. This is a very very bad precedent and he's being treated with baby gloves.

[BelgradeNugget]

First a Heat player made an ass of himself, then the entire Heat team decided to embarrass themselves after the game and now Heat realgm fan base follows suit with their takes.

Absolutely agree, Jimmy is no Morris, nether is Lowry, Spo, Haslem or any of the Heat players. I even don't have nothing against Morris. But what he did was dirty, people don't like bullies and like when they get some of their own medicine. So Heat players, fans should just let this go they look really bad now.

[Kordic27]

Morris was given a flagrant 2 and ejected as well

Only upon video review, AFTER the incident blew up.

Which, as you can see, the system works if you follow the correct procedures.


All Jokic had to do was complain to the refs, and the Nuggets ask the League Office for a review, etc.. and Morris would have been hit with whatever they saw fit.


But you cannot defend what Jokic did.

1 game is not enough. This is a very very bad precedent and he's being treated with baby gloves.

Do you think Morris has a reputation as a dirty player?

[Richard Miller]

All Jokic had to do was complain to the refs, and the Nuggets ask the League Office for a review, etc.. and Morris would have been hit with whatever they saw fit.

All Morris had to do was not to make a flagrant 2 and none of this would've happened

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Morris was given a flagrant 2 and ejected as well

Only upon video review, AFTER the incident blew up.

Which, as you can see, the system works if you follow the correct procedures.


All Jokic had to do was complain to the refs, and the Nuggets ask the League Office for a review, etc.. and Morris would have been hit with whatever they saw fit.


But you cannot defend what Jokic did.

1 game is not enough. This is a very very bad precedent and he's being treated with baby gloves.

Do you think Morris has a reputation as a dirty player?

You don't get to ignore rules just because you dislike the victim.