Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[Whopper_Sr]

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I never would have guessed S. Korea would be more advanced than the US when it comes to things like this but here we are. It's like we're the 3rd world country

SK has been a 1st world country for a while now. However, if their current president doesn't get the boot soon, SK may end up being absorbed by China. But what Moon really wants is to hand SK over to NK since he's a closet communist.

[madmaxmedia]

Our government's hands are tied in many ways because we the people demand privacy and freedom not just for ourselves but anyone entering the country be they tourists, students or workers entering legally or illegally. Unless there is buy in at all levels of government and by a large proportion of the population, there is no way to stop the spread no matter how much testing is done, because people who should be getting tested will refuse, people who should isolate won't, and people who should be sharing "private" information will refuse to do so.

This is an excellent post and you have many good points. But unfortunately, we didn't even get to the point where we issued such guidelines or orders to test such a response from the people. Also (trying not to make this political), there were many mixed messages coming from local, state, and national government in the last few weeks that basically assured this country had low buy-in until now. IF the government's hands were tied, they never actually tried to break those ties anyway.

Basically, we don't know what would have happened if we had taken a better, more prepared, more cohesive course of action to all of this. But that lack of organization and action at the government level is also a reflection of our system of government (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.)

Ironically, the greatest resistance might have come if we instituted say an early lockdown which was able to flatten the curve. After a few days we would have had a lot of people screaming bloody murder, hoax, etc. and people would have prematurely started breaking the rules.

[bondom34]

Might be a dumb question, but I honestly have no idea. When Italy/other countries quarantined, were you allowed outside at all for anything? Like a hike or a walk? Or just shut the door and if you need food that's it?

[madmaxmedia]

Might be a dumb question, but I honestly have no idea. When Italy/other countries quarantined, were you allowed outside at all for anything? Like a hike or a walk? Or just shut the door and if you need food that's it?

Like here, most quarantines seem to have happened in stages, both in terms of level of restriction and geographic coverage.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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Facts.

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[SF_Warriors]

You don't understand how thousands of people in a span of a few weeks needing a minimum 2 week long hospitalization can overwhelm a healthcare system? Most hospitals are not sitting empty waiting for a pandemic, they are usually running at about 70-80% capacity...

Right, no country's medical system has capacity (beds, equipment, personnel, medicine, etc.) for a widespread pandemic, it's not economically feasible. It would be like driving around with 10 spare tires in your car (bad analogy but hopefully my point is clear.)

Well good thing its a bunch of nonsense and not a real pandemic then.

We are seeing 350+ deaths a day in Italy in the past week from this. Over a thousand people in NY were tested positive in a single day, Italy with 4,000 new positive cases just in one day yesterday..What kind of ignorance is this..We have physicians dying all over the world because of this from treating infected patients..Nearly all major first world countries are treating it like a pandemic and declared it so..cmon guy, its time to take it seriously. If you had any clue how it has affected europe in just 2-3 weeks..

[AdagioPace]

Might be a dumb question, but I honestly have no idea. When Italy/other countries quarantined, were you allowed outside at all for anything? Like a hike or a walk? Or just shut the door and if you need food that's it?

In Italy we're allowed to go out for working, groceries (one person per family), health reasons, but always respecting social distancing and always bringing with a certificate stating the reasons you're out of your house. Police doesnt' allow "assembramenti" (formation of groups of people). Necessity is the common factor here: if you don't need to buy anything for survival it's recommended to stay home reducing the frequency of your outings to the bare minimum. As a result towns look ghostly but there are still people with their dogs that look suspicious......Runners and sports activity are still allowed in isolated places (always respecting social distancing) but it's still an ongoing hot topic.

[Nuntius]

Right, no country's medical system has capacity (beds, equipment, personnel, medicine, etc.) for a widespread pandemic, it's not economically feasible. It would be like driving around with 10 spare tires in your car (bad analogy but hopefully my point is clear.)

Well good thing its a bunch of nonsense and not a real pandemic then.

We are seeing 350+ deaths a day in Italy in the past week from this. Over a thousand people in NY were tested positive in a single day, Italy with 4,000 new positive cases just in one day yesterday..What kind of ignorance is this..We have physicians dying all over the world because of this from treating infected patients..Nearly all major first world countries are treating it like a pandemic and declared it so..cmon guy, its time to take it seriously. If you had any clue how it has affected europe in just 2-3 weeks..

I highly recommend ignoring that poster (not madmaxmedia, the other poster). That particular poster has been posting nothing but conspiracy theories about "hoaxes" in Covid-19 threads.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[bondom34]

Might be a dumb question, but I honestly have no idea. When Italy/other countries quarantined, were you allowed outside at all for anything? Like a hike or a walk? Or just shut the door and if you need food that's it?

In Italy we're allowed to go out for working, groceries (one person per family), health reasons, but always respecting social distancing and always bringing with a certificate stating the reasons you're out of your house. Police doesnt' allow "assembramenti" (formation of groups of people). Necessity is the common factor here: if you don't need to buy anything for survival it's recommended to stay home reducing the frequency of your outings to the bare minimum. As a result towns look ghostly but there are still people with their dogs that are trying to find excuses.......Runners and sports activity are still allowed in isolated places (always respecting social distrancing) but it's still an ongoing hot topic.

Well...if the last part is true if it happens in the US I'm glad my parents live in the middle of **** nowhere

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[Hornet Mania]

Might be a dumb question, but I honestly have no idea. When Italy/other countries quarantined, were you allowed outside at all for anything? Like a hike or a walk? Or just shut the door and if you need food that's it?

In Austria walks through the neighborhood are considered fine, with the understanding you should keep your distance from others and not run your hands over surfaces.It is also recommended that you only take walks in the area you live and with the people who live in your house, so no meeting the neighbor for a walk around the block.

It was a little awkward today when my wife and I took our typical route, everyone went out of their way to keep a good distance when passing each other. People were walking off the sidewalk and into the middle of the road (waiting for it to be clear of cars, of course) to avoid each other.

For reference all non-essential things in Austria are closed and the police are enforcing lock downs of public parks and groups larger than 10 are prohibited.

[nymets1]

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I'm in Florida so most months we are very hot with a high UV index so I'm glad in Florida. What about inside places where the Sun/ IV rays can't reach? Is there a machine/tool, etc to use that's hot and might have a high UV index to use on surfaces?

[SpreeS]

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China is very far for USA and one border with Korea

[HotRocks34]

March 19 virus task force (USA) press conference summary


- Some drugs (therapeutics) showing promise in fighting virus
- Hydroxychloroquine has been approved by the FDA to try to treat virus. Will be available immediately via prescription
- Looking at Remdesivir. Trials done soon (think early April is first trial completion)
- Carnival cruise lines CEO (Heat owner Mickey Arison) said we could use his ships as hospitals/etc if want
- Hahn (FDA): We want to give people hope, but not false hope
- Hahn: We're accelerating our (drug) approval process to help fight the virus
- Hahn: Looking at convalescent plasma treatment, also (blood transfusion of those who had/beat virus, I think)
- Birx: Data from testing coming in fast now. Still have 2-3 day backlog (so many test results about to come in)
- Birx: Positive test rate right now is like 10-11% (gone up)
- Birx: Over 50% of the case come from 3 states (think this NY, WA, CA)
- Birx: 50% of the cases come from 10 counties
- Birx: Doing fewer elective surgeries now will help us have more ventilator capacity for virus patients
- Adams: Please donate blood now. We need more blood donated now.


Question ---------> Are you going to do a total overseas travel ban?
Trump ------------> We're looking at that now, with State Department. Don't know yet.

Question ---------> How will Americans stuck in places like Morocco and Peru get home?
Trump ------------> Looking at maybe having military help out on that

[bondom34]

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China is very far for USA and one border with Korea

Yes, that's not really what this was talking about but they are.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Army corps of engineers are in NY.

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Mar 17 pm De Blasio said he would make a decision in the next 24 hours, so far no decision. Cuomo said there wouldn't be a shelter in place order. I don't think it's happening at least not this week.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/cuomo-slams-de-blasios-shelter-in-place-speculation-that-came-from-nuclear-war/

Today Cuomo said definitively that it's not going to happen

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[Ainosterhaspie]

What is going on in NYC? Their number of cases is rising rapidly and they aren't limiting contact and shutting non-essential stuff down? The numbers will explode if they don't. What are they thinking? I'm totally in the dark on it so I'd love to hear from someone who knows what's happening there.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[LKN]

Here is an interview that Devin Nunes did earlier today:

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There's no reason to panic? I'm 43 years old and this is by FAR the most disturbing and crazy thing that has ever happened in my entire life.

This makes 9-11 look like a minor incident.