Eastern Conference Finals: (3) Bucks vs. (5) Hawks, Part 3 | Bucks win 4-2

[BigO]

hawks need to consolidate some talent.

having lots of nice solid players but no real stars that can take over on both sides is going to make what happened in this series an annual thing if they dont

This is what I was talking about in my previous post. People who don't even know anything about the Hawks with comments like this. Our second best player didn't even play in the series. Deandre Hunter was extremely good on both ends of the court this season. We have him and Cam healthy in this series we are going to the Finals regardless of the injuries to Giannis and Trae.

All we need is to be healthy for the playoffs and bring back Collins.

I don't buy into the "well look at the Hawks, that's a moral victory". That's not how sports works. You either win a championship or you are a loser. That's it. You either win the ring or you get nothing. The Hawks had a chance to get the ring and lost. Regardless of whoever wins the Finals the team that doesn't win is still a loser just like the Hawks are now. They had a chance despite the injuries and horrible officiating and blew it. There's no moral victory champions in sports.

Saying Hunter was your second best player doesn't make it so.

Clearly Collins was better, Capela led the league in rebounding and Bogdanovich was probably more valuable than Hunter. I like Hunter's game and he has shown improvement every year in college and pros. But he is not the second best Hawk this year and it's not close.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

trae is not a superstar imo. hes a unique guy and can win you some games but honestly in the long run i think he'll do more harm then good.

collins is a stat machine youre gonna have to pay alot for the stats but doesnt really help you win representatively. hes a tough situation. if you pay him you lose alot of flexibility. if he walks you regress and on a max you regress. tough situation. we had a similar one when we had jabari

heurter is a nice 4th- 5th starter but will lose alot of value once he gets paid

bogdonovich is a nice player but runs hot and cold and cant defend a chair which is going to be an issue in the playoffs for years to come.

capella is eventually gone for the rookie. you wont be able to afford a center above that level. pretty average dudes the both of them.

gallinari is on his way out.

williams is on his way out.

this all comes down to reddish who up until the last couple weeks has looked like a bum.... and hunter who may be the best player on your roster.

to me i think you put a package together with some picks/reddish/heurter or bogs..... and maybe go get a guy. a real guy.

if you dont this may be the peak of your team. thats what it feels like to me. next year you arent going to beat a better team like you did in philly. i think the ceiling here is 2nd round year after year

Yeah Trae is kind of an enigma. He puts up superstar stats, and takes the same superstar shots Damian Lillard and Steph Curry take. But you look at his numbers and he’s actually not a very good shooter. He shot 34% from 3 this year which is pretty wild to think about. Also his defense is bad and he turns the ball over a ton. But he’s also a phenomenal leader and the team around him is well built for his game. Either way he is great for the city of Atlanta, even if a deep dive into his numbers show he is overrated by them.

i think if he was surrounded by hardnosed vets who can throw a punch on defense theyd be better off. hunters the right type to slide in that mix but the rest of the roster is really a bad fit. its like theyre using the portland model

[Sothron]

hawks need to consolidate some talent.

having lots of nice solid players but no real stars that can take over on both sides is going to make what happened in this series an annual thing if they dont

This is what I was talking about in my previous post. People who don't even know anything about the Hawks with comments like this. Our second best player didn't even play in the series. Deandre Hunter was extremely good on both ends of the court this season. We have him and Cam healthy in this series we are going to the Finals regardless of the injuries to Giannis and Trae.

All we need is to be healthy for the playoffs and bring back Collins.

I don't buy into the "well look at the Hawks, that's a moral victory". That's not how sports works. You either win a championship or you are a loser. That's it. You either win the ring or you get nothing. The Hawks had a chance to get the ring and lost. Regardless of whoever wins the Finals the team that doesn't win is still a loser just like the Hawks are now. They had a chance despite the injuries and horrible officiating and blew it. There's no moral victory champions in sports.

Saying Hunter was your second best player doesn't make it so.

Clearly Collins was better, Capela led the league in rebounding and Bogdanovich was probably more valuable than Hunter. I like Hunter's game and he has shown improvement every year in college and pros. But he is not the second best Hawk this year and it's not close.

Actually, yes, it does. I watch the Hawks every game. You don't. When Hunter was healthy this season he was easily our second best player after Trae. He was a lock down defender who could dribble, drive and hit 3's as well as pass and hit mid range shots. He is easily our best complete player. He was our second best player. I like Collins and Capela but they aren't on Hunter's level as complete two way players.

[skones]

let me educate YOU. You guys were losing game three until that ref intentionally didn't move out of Trae's way and got him hurt. We win that game easy if that doesn't happen. Trae lit your defense up like a Christmas tree when he wasn't hurt. So don't give me the Lopez excuse. Jrue couldn't do anything with Trae neither could your team. It literally took someone injuring Trae to knock him out of the end of game three, keep him out of game 4 and 5 and he came back at not even 50% of himself in game six.

That's without Hunter playing A SECOND in the series. I've watched the Hawks since 1979. We don't need to consolidate talent. We already HAVE the talent. Go back and watch what Deandre Hunter did in the regular season this year, only his second year in the league, and get back to me. If he's healthy we put him on Middleton and he doesn't do anything. There's a reason Hunter carried his team to a NCAA championship. He's an excellent two way player that unfortunately got hurt in the playoffs.

You put a truly healthy Hawks team on the court versus a truly healthy Bucks team on the court and we beat you guys in five games. Hell, I'd honestly call it a sweep because there's no one on your team that can guard Trae let alone Hunter or Reddish. Your team got lucky as hell that the Nets star players got hurt except for Durant. Then your team got lucky as hell that a Hawks team missing its two best players for either the whole series or 3 games in the series.

The only reason you got by us was luck and horrible officiating. The Hawks had the best record in the NBA once Nate took over as coach. That means they had a better record than YOUR TEAM. So no, we don't need to do anything except bring back Collins and stay healthy in the playoffs.

This is truly truly hilarious. I'm really enjoying these tears. Imagine believing a ref put a hit on Trae Young. That's next level delusion. But hey, I guess since the Bucks had the best record in the league for the last two years, we're now trying to three peat. That's what wins championships you guys, regular season records.

The Hawks are so good that they got punched in the gut twice with each team missing their best player while needing a 26% three point shooter to go 6/7 from distance to avoid a total blowout.

Your excuses are embarrassing. It seems many on Hawks Squawk agree.

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[Galloisdaman]

trae is not a superstar imo. hes a unique guy and can win you some games but honestly in the long run i think he'll do more harm then good.

collins is a stat machine youre gonna have to pay alot for the stats but doesnt really help you win representatively. hes a tough situation. if you pay him you lose alot of flexibility. if he walks you regress and on a max you regress. tough situation. we had a similar one when we had jabari

heurter is a nice 4th- 5th starter but will lose alot of value once he gets paid

bogdonovich is a nice player but runs hot and cold and cant defend a chair which is going to be an issue in the playoffs for years to come.

capella is eventually gone for the rookie. you wont be able to afford a center above that level. pretty average dudes the both of them.

gallinari is on his way out.

williams is on his way out.

this all comes down to reddish who up until the last couple weeks has looked like a bum.... and hunter who may be the best player on your roster.

to me i think you put a package together with some picks/reddish/heurter or bogs..... and maybe go get a guy. a real guy.

if you dont this may be the peak of your team. thats what it feels like to me. next year you arent going to beat a better team like you did in philly. i think the ceiling here is 2nd round year after year

Yeah Trae is kind of an enigma. He puts up superstar stats, and takes the same superstar shots Damian Lillard and Steph Curry take. But you look at his numbers and he’s actually not a very good shooter. He shot 34% from 3 this year which is pretty wild to think about. Also his defense is bad and he turns the ball over a ton. But he’s also a phenomenal leader and the team around him is well built for his game. Either way he is great for the city of Atlanta, even if a deep dive into his numbers show he is overrated by them.

I think Trae may come to a fork in the road. He can go down the Curry way or the Iverson way. Both are Hall Of Fame type scorers but I'm hoping Trae goes the Curry way. I felt for much of this regular season Trae played more team oriented ball so that is a good sign. I'd like him to stop the 30 foot shots that lead to fast breaks the other way and if he misses to run back on defense.

I really like Collins a lot. I wish that the contract decision was 2 years from now. Collins seems like a real team guy. He could have been calling his own number more but he really seemed to buy in to the team first way of thinking. He should have been used inside more in my opinion. He has a nice turnaround J from 10-15 feet out.

Both Capela and Okongwu are battlers who I really respect. Capella put together an all star level season based on his work ethic. The problem is against Embiid and Lopez he was just having significant trouble with bigger guys. That is to be expected. I can not blame him for that. Okongwu showed some real promise but at 6-8 I do not know if it is fair to have him at center full time.

Huerter and Bog are both solid. Bog is more of a natural scorer. Huerter is better defensively.

Gallo and Lou are great to have on the bench but obviously age plays a role with them.

[th87]

let me educate YOU. You guys were losing game three until that ref intentionally didn't move out of Trae's way and got him hurt. We win that game easy if that doesn't happen. Trae lit your defense up like a Christmas tree when he wasn't hurt. So don't give me the Lopez excuse. Jrue couldn't do anything with Trae neither could your team. It literally took someone injuring Trae to knock him out of the end of game three, keep him out of game 4 and 5 and he came back at not even 50% of himself in game six.

That's without Hunter playing A SECOND in the series. I've watched the Hawks since 1979. We don't need to consolidate talent. We already HAVE the talent. Go back and watch what Deandre Hunter did in the regular season this year, only his second year in the league, and get back to me. If he's healthy we put him on Middleton and he doesn't do anything. There's a reason Hunter carried his team to a NCAA championship. He's an excellent two way player that unfortunately got hurt in the playoffs.

You put a truly healthy Hawks team on the court versus a truly healthy Bucks team on the court and we beat you guys in five games. Hell, I'd honestly call it a sweep because there's no one on your team that can guard Trae let alone Hunter or Reddish. Your team got lucky as hell that the Nets star players got hurt except for Durant. Then your team got lucky as hell that a Hawks team missing its two best players for either the whole series or 3 games in the series.

The only reason you got by us was luck and horrible officiating. The Hawks had the best record in the NBA once Nate took over as coach. That means they had a better record than YOUR TEAM. So no, we don't need to do anything except bring back Collins and stay healthy in the playoffs.

atlanta was down 20 in 4 out of the last 5 games. the reason we got by you is because despite not even having giannis youre just not all that good.

you need a couple 3-1 deals to bring some stars in around that fugazi star you already have. you also need to tighten up that buttercup defense you all play and then maybe youll have something.

Are you not capable of reading? The Hawks had the BEST RECORD in the NBA since Nate took over as coach. We beat a higher seed every round of the playoffs until injuries and refs finally derailed the season. Saying the Hawks are "just not all that good" is laughable. You need to go watch another sport for 40 years if you think a team that made it to the conference finals in their first season with their young core is "not all that good."

Most of these wins were against non-playoff teams in tank mode. Like 6 or so wins against lower playoff teams.

Every time your team faced a playoff contender, they lost (except once against Phoenix). And the Lakers without Lebron.