Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[j-ragg]

So denying urgent treatment isnt a crime in the USA?

It’s a pretty odd name for a clinic but I think “urgent care“ clinics typically don’t treat urgent things. More colds, coughs, UTIs. I’m sure they have self pay rates but the young man probably couldn’t afford it, out of pocket is pretty pricey.

I worked at one in my 20s, it was 130$ to get in and then any x-rays, labs, nebulizer (breathing treatment) is additional. Much cheaper than a hospital visit but I also saw a ton of people get turned away because they couldn’t pay on the spot all that money.

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Okay, that is ****ed up. Seriously, these people are on the front lines saving lives and now they have to worry about having a place to stay?

[SpreeChokeJob]

It's really tough to argue that our country should have locked everything up well before other Western countries based on what we knew at the time. Keep in mind that Trump did impose travel restrictions on China back in January and he was ripped for it. Also keep in mind that there was absolutely no call to lock things up. As a matter of fact there were many pieces from a wide range of news outlets (NY Times, Washington Post, Fox News, WSJ, Vox, etc) that downplayed the Coronavirus. There are news clips of Doctors telling us we need to be far more concerned about the flu. Heck, in January and February this country was consumed with impeachment.

The most important thing to do is learn from this. We have to understand that our countries are as connected as they have ever been. An outbreak in Wuhan should be treated as an outbreak in America moving forward. It is also important to put pressure on China and other places to get rid of these disgusting Wet Markets.

I think he did travel restrictions on China for political points. Same with the tariff trade war. And the Wall. That’s how he has been operating throughout his presidency. It has worked until now when this country is dealing with a real crisis and needs some real management and leadership. Even then the ranks of people he trusts are just his family and I think he’s been treating it like a political problem still. I think he is slowly realizing this is affecting him politically, but he still doesn’t realize this is affecting real people with his Easter comments.

That's the thing, this caught a lot of countries off guard so most didn't have an early or effective response.....

But this was at 50, 000+ cases in the US and he was STILL down playing it

Countries in Asia that experienced SARS had a plan. Even Germany who had to deal with it sooner in Europe was more competent. Disappointed that this country had more time and natural borders couldn’t or didn’t do much. This country could have ran more normally if there were more travel restrictions, if there were available tests and quarantine measures put in place.

[DowJones]

The USA should have went into isolation in February, maybe January. It's more important to test the asymptomatic than the symptomatic. The asymptomatic are spreading this virus more than the symptomatic. If we are around people and everyone is asymptomatic, what if one of them has the virus? But if someone is symptomatic is you see them cough or sneeze, than you know to distance yourself before you get too close to the person.

It's really tough to argue that our country should have locked everything up well before other Western countries based on what we knew at the time. Keep in mind that Trump did impose travel restrictions on China back in January and he was ripped for it. Also keep in mind that there was absolutely no call to lock things up. As a matter of fact there were many pieces from a wide range of news outlets (NY Times, Washington Post, Fox News, WSJ, Vox, etc) that downplayed the Coronavirus. There are news clips of Doctors telling us we need to be far more concerned about the flu. Heck, in January and February this country was consumed with impeachment.

The most important thing to do is learn from this. We have to understand that our countries are as connected as they have ever been. An outbreak in Wuhan should be treated as an outbreak in America moving forward. It is also important to put pressure on China and other places to get rid of these disgusting Wet Markets.

I think he did travel restrictions on China for political points. Same with the tariff trade war. And the Wall. That’s how he has been operating throughout his presidency. It has worked until now when this country is dealing with a real crisis and needs some real management and leadership. Even then the ranks of people he trusts are just his family and I think he’s been treating it like a political problem still. I think he is slowly realizing this is affecting him politically, but he still doesn’t realize this is affecting real people with his Easter comments.

I can agree with much of what you said. I think he views it as a political problem, but I don't think this country is treating it as one. The Easter comments are just nonsense as he doesn't have the ability to "open up the country" even if he ordered it to be done.

[EAS Law]

This is not a one off, or because of the covid19, this happens all the time in America. Sad and completely unnecessary that people are being turned away due to lack of health insurance. Think about all the people that are feeling sick but are terrified to go get medical help because they fear the bill and when they do end up getting help its too late.

Did you guys miss the part where he was transported to a public hospital and received care?

Yea we can read. He got turned down and told to go to a hospital most likely wasting precious time. And again, this stuff happens all the time here, people wait until last minute to get help because they lack health insurance and thus are afraid of the bill. This is not a corona virus issue, this is an American issue.

You realize that in some situations, even the absolute best healthcare and circumstances don’t result in someone surviving an illness or truma, right? I realize that this pandemic has turned into an opportunity to indict every aspect of American life, but while it bothers me that a 17 year old lost their life, public care was available and provided to him. It just didn’t work in his favor.

[BadMofoPimp]

Did you guys miss the part where he was transported to a public hospital and received care?

Yea we can read. He got turned down and told to go to a hospital most likely wasting precious time. And again, this stuff happens all the time here, people wait until last minute to get help because they lack health insurance and thus are afraid of the bill. This is not a corona virus issue, this is an American issue.

You realize that in some situations, even the absolute best healthcare and circumstances don’t result in someone surviving an illness or truma, right? I realize that this pandemic has turned into an opportunity to indict every aspect of American life, but while it bothers me that a 17 year old lost their lives, public care was available and provided to him. It just didn’t work in his favor.

Personally I think he was too late for help before he got in the car to be taken to any facility. But, if it fits a persons narrative of promoting anger, then go for it. We are used to it at this juncture.

[mtron929]

Psychology of fear is interesting. If coronavirus resulted in 0.5% of the population (who are infected) exploding to bits and pieces, then every **** person would be locked up in their room and practicing social distancing to the extreme degree. But there is something about viral infection that doesn't seem scary. So people are reluctant to abide by the rules.

[mademan]

more tests than China? and you believe that?? I bet wuhan city alone did at least 2 times more tests than the us.

I can buy that--but if we want to assume that China's testing numbers are not accurate then we have to assume their number of confirmed cases/deaths are not accurate either. The problem I have is when people want to pick and choose what data to believe in to fit an agenda.

I just toss everything China has reported out the window. I am not buying anything they say.

same here. I am not buying anything the MAGA state say. more tests than any nation.... this trump absurd **** is disgusting.

lol. If you cant see the difference between China and the US in reliability of numbers, i dunno what to tell you. This anti American chit is getting dragged wayy too far. MAGA doesnt control what individual states, like NY, report. MAGA doesnt control what individual people say or post online. China does.

There is some reliability in the info you have coming out of the US. There is zero reliability in the info coming out of the CCP

[Trippinskarlo]

It's obvious that we underestimated the virus. Globally.
Only the Chinese and the Koreans seemed to know how to deal with this thing. Not that they did something outstanding.

What did they do then? They did something right, no?

free treatment from testing to recovery. everything .
tracking every case. quarantine everyone.
facemasks all time.
never worry about economy or stock markets.

China cares more about the economy then its people. Part of the reason they have lied and are still lying about numbers..

[Zenzibar]

the general overall health of the US is quite poor. many people in that 40+ range are living with some condition - diabetes, hepatatis, obesity, etc. probably a higher % of pre-existing condition than many other countries in the same age group.

This is a total exposure.

A healthy nation does not raise kids on garbage fake foods like McDonalds. Allowing Monsanto to produce all kinds of dangerous GMO foods, is not a healthy nation. Poison fish farming and heavy meat consumption, is not a healthy nation. Garbage sugary cereals being fed to children causing early diabetes, is not a healthy nation. The FDA is a joke, hand in the pocket agency.
Big Pharma is BIG time guilty, pills for this, pills for that, just watch the commercials on CNN. You've seen it, pills that cure acne but damage your liver...why is that even legal?

Getting hit by something unprecedented like this, you start to realize just how unhealthy we are as a nation.
Hopefully after this, we'll wake the fk up and start demanding real quality, healthy affordable foods from all our food sources..
But there's little optimism in that, we're too much like sheep.

There is literally "real quality, healthy affordable food" at virtually every grocery store in the country.

People need more discipline and to make better decisions.

But America is no worse of a situation than any other country. You're taking a fine tooth comb to America but you can find equally terrible things everywhere.

Why aren't you blaming China?

This whole world is messed up.

My dude, I'm singling us out because I care about what goes on here mores. The majority of supermarkets are full of unhealthy foods, meanwhile have 1 or 2 isles of organic alternatives.
Instead of healthy alternatives, Doctors prescribe meds like they're candy, even though these same meds poison our system.

Don't take it out of context.

[Childs]

This is a total exposure.

A healthy nation does not raise kids on garbage fake foods like McDonalds. Allowing Monsanto to produce all kinds of dangerous GMO foods, is not a healthy nation. Poison fish farming and heavy meat consumption, is not a healthy nation. Garbage sugary cereals being fed to children causing early diabetes, is not a healthy nation. The FDA is a joke, hand in the pocket agency.
Big Pharma is BIG time guilty, pills for this, pills for that, just watch the commercials on CNN. You've seen it, pills that cure acne but damage your liver...why is that even legal?

Getting hit by something unprecedented like this, you start to realize just how unhealthy we are as a nation.
Hopefully after this, we'll wake the fk up and start demanding real quality, healthy affordable foods from all our food sources..
But there's little optimism in that, we're too much like sheep.

There is literally "real quality, healthy affordable food" at virtually every grocery store in the country.

People need more discipline and to make better decisions.

But America is no worse of a situation than any other country. You're taking a fine tooth comb to America but you can find equally terrible things everywhere.

Why aren't you blaming China?

This whole world is messed up.

My dude, I'm singling us out because I care about what goes on here mores. The majority of supermarkets are full of unhealthy foods, meanwhile have 1 or 2 isles of organic alternatives.
Instead of healthy alternatives, Doctors prescribe meds like they're candy, even though these same meds poison our system.

Don't take it out of context.

Im assuming poison our system you mean side effects? All medications have side effects. There isn't one medication on this planet that doesn't have a side effect.

Aspirin; as an antiplatelet and anti inflammatory that is needed for heart attacks and coronary artery disease can cause the side effect of GI bleeds and ulcers
Plaquenil: A mainstay for the treatment of Lupus, can affect vision
Furosemide: A needed medication for the swelling in heart failure, can cause decreased potassium in your body
Lisinopril: A needed medication for heart failure and the worsening of kidney problems in diabetics, can cause increased potassium, and rarely a potentially life threatening condition called angioedema (which can happen in a matter of weeks to decades later)
Every Antibiotics that physicians give out and is prescribed has a potential side effects.

All these meds undergo multiple trials before being given to the pubic. Without these meds, the progression of alot of these chronic diseases will get worse, and cause increased mortality potentially to these patients.

And Doctors do suggest healthy alternatives, but sometimes patients don't follow those alternatives cause they take to long sometimes to see the positive benefit and other reasons.

[MrGrim]

Did you guys miss the part where he was transported to a public hospital and received care?

Yea we can read. He got turned down and told to go to a hospital most likely wasting precious time. And again, this stuff happens all the time here, people wait until last minute to get help because they lack health insurance and thus are afraid of the bill. This is not a corona virus issue, this is an American issue.

You realize that in some situations, even the absolute best healthcare and circumstances don’t result in someone surviving an illness or truma, right? I realize that this pandemic has turned into an opportunity to indict every aspect of American life, but while it bothers me that a 17 year old lost their life, public care was available and provided to him. It just didn’t work in his favor.

In emergencies involving the heart and lungs, time is critical. That should be obvious. Deciding where to treat based on whether a person can pay rather than distance wastes precious time. Of course no health care system can prevent death 100 percent of the time. That is a red herring.

[Gomagic44]

He wasn't wealthy enough to have immediate access to "the best healthcare in the world".

That's not ok to me. It never was ok to me. With a pandemic hitting us, no one should feel this is ok.

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[BadMofoPimp]

He wasn't wealthy enough to have immediate access to "the best healthcare in the world".

That's not ok to me. It never was ok to me. With a pandemic hitting us, no one should feel this is ok.

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That is one generalization. We don't know the exact circumstances or why his family didn't act sooner than later in his situation. Is it possible that he was mildly sick and within a few hours he became terribly sick and his family didn't react until it was too late?

[Gomagic44]

Also, you can't discount people knowing how our system works for them(or doesn't) playing into their decision making.

I know of my CEO didn't call and have a mobile lab guy come and test me in my front driveway I probably wouldn't have gotten tested. If I was only a chef in a restaurant I wouldn't have the medical worker fastpass I did.

But a 17 year old didn't act quickly enough to get to the bottom rung healthcare he "deserves" and so it's that's not a horrible optic for this system? I was functionally (Please Use More Appropriate Word) when I was 17.


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[BadMofoPimp]

What did they do then? They did something right, no?

free treatment from testing to recovery. everything .
tracking every case. quarantine everyone.
facemasks all time.
never worry about economy or stock markets.

China cares more about the economy then its people. Part of the reason they have lied and are still lying about numbers..

I don't know if it is true or not, but that video of a chinese family being denied treatment at the Chinese hospital yesterday has claimed that China want's to keep their numbers low so they are denying their people hospitalization. The son of the father that was denied flipped out and fought the security guards. That was so sad to see him beaten mercilessly for tying to save his father.

[Gomagic44]

Like I said in second post. Many are resigned to their place in society or confused of their ability to receive healthcare. What if his parents were illegal?

True we do not know enough information. It's not a big reach to say the current system does not work for a whole lot of us.

He wasn't wealthy enough to have immediate access to "the best healthcare in the world".

That's not ok to me. It never was ok to me. With a pandemic hitting us, no one should feel this is ok.

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That is one generalization. We don't know the exact circumstances or why his family didn't act sooner than later in his situation. Is it possible that he was mildly sick and within a few hours he became terribly sick and his family didn't react until it was too late?

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[BadMofoPimp]

What we do know is that once he got to the correct facility that can attend his needs, he was immediately taken care of. I don't consider Urgent Care a place that is capable to treat this virus effectively or even if they have ventilators. Naturally, we are only hearing one side of the story since we are not there to verify what actually happened.

Like I said in second post. Many are resigned to their place in society or confused of their ability to receive healthcare. What if his parents were illegal?

True we do not know enough information. It's not a big reach to say the current system does not work for a whole lot of us.

He wasn't wealthy enough to have immediate access to "the best healthcare in the world".

That's not ok to me. It never was ok to me. With a pandemic hitting us, no one should feel this is ok.

Sent from my HD1900 using RealGM mobile app

That is one generalization. We don't know the exact circumstances or why his family didn't act sooner than later in his situation. Is it possible that he was mildly sick and within a few hours he became terribly sick and his family didn't react until it was too late?

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[Nuntius]

Just waiting for my test results to come back in a day or two, nervous as hell, is there anyone infected on this forum?.. Iam from Czech rep. and so far people are doing fabulous job, even the goverment. Who would have guessed that having a guy that worked for the Czech equivalent of KGB back before the revolution as a prime minister would one day honestly came in handy . He shut everything down before the abrubt rise of cases even after catching a backlash from a big part of the population, kudos to him.

If I recall correctly, your government decided to shut everything down when you had 50 confirmed cases. They did a really good job indeed.

[MrGrim]

What we do know is that once he got to the correct facility that can attend his needs, he was immediately taken care of. I don't consider Urgent Care a place that is capable to treat this virus effectively or even if they have ventilators. Naturally, we are only hearing one side of the story since we are not there to verify what actually happened.

Like I said in second post. Many are resigned to their place in society or confused of their ability to receive healthcare. What if his parents were illegal?

True we do not know enough information. It's not a big reach to say the current system does not work for a whole lot of us.

That is one generalization. We don't know the exact circumstances or why his family didn't act sooner than later in his situation. Is it possible that he was mildly sick and within a few hours he became terribly sick and his family didn't react until it was too late?

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They didn't treat him because he didn't have insurance, not because they couldn't. Didn't you read the article? You weren't there either. Why do you think you know more than people who were actually present to witness the event?