Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[LKN]

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[DowJones]

If CNN only promotes one side of the story how come they had Jeffrey Lord on every night during the previous campaign to defend Trump's side ?

Both CNN and Fox News have a few people from the other side on their networks. MSNBC, otoh, does not. I think of the 3, MSNBC is easily the most extreme in terms of their political bias. I think CNN gets the most hate from conservatives because it has shifted the most over the last 4 or 5 years. It used to have a slight lean to the left and now it is essentially the left's version of Fox News.

There just isn't a reasonable place to go and get your news right now.

I think that's really only a problem for people that want to watch the news. There's still loads of legit news to read.

Even that’s tough. I mentioned earlier but the WSJ and The Economist are good. The NY Times and Washington Post are clearly catering to one segment of the country. Places like Vox, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Huffington Post, Slate, Daily Beast, etc admit they are extremely partisan. Thinking about it now I would say The Hill is pretty fair.

[DowJones]

WAsh. carried out the most stringent social distancing and we are seeing result. For any state that has not learned from this, they have to learn in case there is a rebound.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/us/seattle-washington-state-coronavirus-transmission-rate.html


Two people that need to be singled out regarding NYC's failure. Mayer Bill De Blasio, Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbo.

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Wasn't De Blasio calling for a shelter in place but Cuomo who said no to it?

Almost. De Blasio said the city was 48 hours away. This was the governor's immediate response:
"No city in the state can quarantine itself without state approval. And I have no interest whatsoever and no plan whatsoever to quarantine any city."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/bill-de-blasio-andrew-cuomo-new-york-shelter-in-place-coronavirus-cnntv/index.html

Then just two days later this was the governor's response:
"This is not life as usual. Accept it, realize it, and deal with it.”
https://ny.curbed.com/2020/3/20/21187022/coronavirus-new-york-shutdown-shelter-in-place

I just think it’s a really tough spot to be in. I don’t blame Cuomo and De Blasio the same way I don’t completely blame the leaders of Italy, Spain, UK, or the US. They made early mistakes in responding to the crisis but most of the West has done the same thing.

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[chrismikayla]

Yikes I guess this is one way to enforce shelter in place!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/

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At some point once things return to some semblance of normalcy, the new normal can't include such catering to lies. There HAS to be accountability, from complicit countries to organizations.

Apparently it wasn't just US intelligence that knew

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Sure. If NBA and HEB were getting info back in January and got at it early (ish, for the NBA though once they acted, they did so decisively), then it can't be that the government was ignorant of it. It's what each chose to do with the info.

It's frustrating that inaction continues in pockets of places and leaders, because each is a factor to exponential spread. And once it spreads, the message is the same over and over: we should have acted sooner. The nations that did are proof of its effectiveness.

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Oof not good.

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[HollowEarth]

Both CNN and Fox News have a few people from the other side on their networks. MSNBC, otoh, does not. I think of the 3, MSNBC is easily the most extreme in terms of their political bias. I think CNN gets the most hate from conservatives because it has shifted the most over the last 4 or 5 years. It used to have a slight lean to the left and now it is essentially the left's version of Fox News.

There just isn't a reasonable place to go and get your news right now.

I think that's really only a problem for people that want to watch the news. There's still loads of legit news to read.

Even that’s tough. I mentioned earlier but the WSJ and The Economist are good. The NY Times and Washington Post are clearly catering to one segment of the country. Places like Vox, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Huffington Post, Slate, Daily Beast, etc admit they are extremely partisan. Thinking about it now I would say The Hill is pretty fair.

WSJ is good. I lean more left than them, but the journalism is legit. The Hill is legit. NY Times's editorials can bother people that are more conservative, but they tend to be a legit source. For example, the article on Dr. Zelenko (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/technology/doctor-zelenko-coronavirus-drugs.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage) definitely has politics in it, but it's largely factual and informative.

What turns me off of Huffington Post is their tendency to mix editorial with news. Their top stories on hydroxychloroquine are a mix of legit news and opinion pieces. This is a bad habit that I see some sites/papers/magazines lapse into. It's still far clearer in print, than on television.

Breitbart is its own category. They'll publish straight up bogus stories.

I think some kind of hyper-neutral balance is too high of a standard for me. My standards are accuracy, honesty, verifiability, clarity, and logical explanations.

[bondom34]

IDK, CNN is generally solid. Fox is generally unreliable, I don't watch much NBC. Fox is basically state media at this point, they've been far and away the worst to a point where they've become the butt of jokes. They were claiming this whole thing was a conspiracy not long ago (and still try to downplay it). I've never met someone who liked it who didn't lean very far right. NBC tends to go left, CNN fairly middle.

[Dan Z]

When you go out to a place like the grocery store do you wear a mask? I keep hearing mixed things about masks.

[lakerz12]

IDK, CNN is generally solid. Fox is generally unreliable, I don't watch much NBC. Fox is basically state media at this point, they've been far and away the worst to a point where they've become the butt of jokes. They were claiming this whole thing was a conspiracy not long ago (and still try to downplay it). I've never met someone who liked it who didn't lean very far right. NBC tends to go left, CNN fairly middle.

The only way someone can view CNN as solid and fairly middle is if they are strongly left leaning themselves.

[LAKESHOW]

Here in LA, many people are, or have got somethin. Im doin gloves and a bandana, like a cowboy, and the trusty ball cap

[Cactus Jack]

IDK, CNN is generally solid. Fox is generally unreliable, I don't watch much NBC. Fox is basically state media at this point, they've been far and away the worst to a point where they've become the butt of jokes. They were claiming this whole thing was a conspiracy not long ago (and still try to downplay it). I've never met someone who liked it who didn't lean very far right. NBC tends to go left, CNN fairly middle.

CNN ain't fair & balanced. Far from it.

[HollowEarth]

When you go out to a place like the grocery store do you wear a mask? I keep hearing mixed things about masks.

I mostly wear one. I figure that my odds of being a carrier are pretty high (good health and retail work).

People sometimes give me crazy looks. I think it bothers them to see the impact of the virus. In Louisiana, we have a culture of hiding problems. Masks are common but not the norm yet. I've wondered if I should make a habit of thanking people for wearing masks in public, to ease the weirdness. It's hard to get surgical masks, so I see a lot people with random stuff wrapped around their head.

CDC and NIH both said that the masks greatly reduce the odds that you'll transmit the virus. If you're a carrier but healthy, you're less likely to sneeze/cough/breathe on somebody. They offer minimal protection against catching it unless we're all wearing one to protect each other.

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"You’re not wearing them to stop yourself getting infected, but to stop someone else getting infected." (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-pandemic-airborne-go-outside-masks/609235/ )

"In memos obtained by the Washington Post, the CDC began considering the cloth mask recommendation due to evidence that people without symptoms are transmitting the virus. A draft copy of the policy states that the CDC “… recommends the community use of cloth masks as an additional public health measure people can take to prevent the spread of virus to those around them.”" (https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/02/cdc-mask-guidance-cloth-face-masks/ )

[Cactus Jack]

IDK, CNN is generally solid. Fox is generally unreliable, I don't watch much NBC. Fox is basically state media at this point, they've been far and away the worst to a point where they've become the butt of jokes. They were claiming this whole thing was a conspiracy not long ago (and still try to downplay it). I've never met someone who liked it who didn't lean very far right. NBC tends to go left, CNN fairly middle.

The only way someone can view CNN as solid and fairly middle is if they are strongly left leaning themselves.

Yeah, I consider myself to be very liberal. But, CNN is anything but moderate.

[bondom34]

IDK, CNN is generally solid. Fox is generally unreliable, I don't watch much NBC. Fox is basically state media at this point, they've been far and away the worst to a point where they've become the butt of jokes. They were claiming this whole thing was a conspiracy not long ago (and still try to downplay it). I've never met someone who liked it who didn't lean very far right. NBC tends to go left, CNN fairly middle.

The only way someone can view CNN as solid and fairly middle is if they are strongly left leaning themselves.

IDK, CNN is generally solid. Fox is generally unreliable, I don't watch much NBC. Fox is basically state media at this point, they've been far and away the worst to a point where they've become the butt of jokes. They were claiming this whole thing was a conspiracy not long ago (and still try to downplay it). I've never met someone who liked it who didn't lean very far right. NBC tends to go left, CNN fairly middle.

The only way someone can view CNN as solid and fairly middle is if they are strongly left leaning themselves.

Yeah, I consider myself to be very liberal. But, CNN is anything but moderate.

It's middle relative to Fox/NBC. At least it used to be (I admit I don't watch much). I'd trust it over either of the other 2. Unless something changed recently. Fox is by far the worst still, that much I know.

I'm fairly middle (like I know a few years ago I couldn't handle either NBC or Fox, so defaulted to CNN). But IMO they're the best of the 3 news type networks. Or at least were, maybe the bar is just that low or they've changed. My parents are in their 60s and moderate, and thats their go to. I like that they're cutting the junk from these pressers too.

Edit: Honest question, have they changed a lot? My grandpap used to watch them when he was alive (this was like 10 years ago at least) and he wasn't someone I'd call liberal either.

Edit again to add and say: Also "I see what you did with fair and balanced (and they're the worst lol).

[T-d0t]

My naive American friends, CNN, Fox News & MSNBC are ALL trash. If you want unbiased, credible journalism you should watch independent media. Boomers the lot of you

[SactoKingsFan]

When you go out to a place like the grocery store do you wear a mask? I keep hearing mixed things about masks.

You should wear a mask but understand how to wear and disinfect properly. I've been wearing N95 masks when I go to the store. Found a pack in the garage. When those are used up I'll wear the surgical masks or make some cloth masks which is better than nothing.

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[madmaxmedia]

Yikes I guess this is one way to enforce shelter in place!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/

That seems to be his solution to various problems???

[bondom34]

IDK, CNN is generally solid. Fox is generally unreliable, I don't watch much NBC. Fox is basically state media at this point, they've been far and away the worst to a point where they've become the butt of jokes. They were claiming this whole thing was a conspiracy not long ago (and still try to downplay it). I've never met someone who liked it who didn't lean very far right. NBC tends to go left, CNN fairly middle.

The only way someone can view CNN as solid and fairly middle is if they are strongly left leaning themselves.

The only way someone can view CNN as solid and fairly middle is if they are strongly left leaning themselves.

Yeah, I consider myself to be very liberal. But, CNN is anything but moderate.

It's middle relative to Fox/NBC. At least it used to be (I admit I don't watch much). I'd trust it over either of the other 2. Unless something changed recently. Fox is by far the worst still, that much I know.

I'm fairly middle (like I know a few years ago I couldn't handle either NBC or Fox, so defaulted to CNN). But IMO they're the best of the 3 news type networks. Or at least were, maybe the bar is just that low or they've changed. My parents are in their 60s and moderate, and thats their go to. I like that they're cutting the junk from these pressers too.

Edit: Honest question, have they changed a lot? My grandpap used to watch them when he was alive (this was like 10 years ago at least) and he wasn't someone I'd call liberal either.

Edit again to add and say: Also "I see what you did with fair and balanced (and they're the worst lol).

Found this

https://libapps.s3.amazonaws.com/accounts/243/images/BiasChart.jpg

Which is about what I thought. It's middle relative imo to the alternative. I'd consider them somewhat reasonable, they're not wildly extreme, unless this is outdated. This seems to indicate the same. They're not pushing wild theories even if they do show opinion at times, and give credit when due. Maybe I'm missing something but I'd stand by them being middle relative to the alternative networks.