Victor Wembanyama Mega-Thread - For all your Wembanyama needs!

[UcanUwill]

Coulibaly and Victor statpadding in garbage time. after third q, French lottery talents had 6 points total (2-11 FG), getting smoked by 34 points. Yeah, guys were cushed on a team that doesnt have to face top Euro competition whole season playing 1 game a day. A little bit...

[Castle Black]

Yea awful game for Mets92. It’s impressive how bad their roster is outside of Wemby. Watching these games really makes you appreciate NBA players and how great they are at this game.

But yea Monaco is clearly the much more talented team, and everyone knew that coming in. They have former NBA players starting for them, while the Mets have Wemby who’s surrounded by some guys that look like they belong nowhere near a basketball court. Even Coulibaly has only had one good game that I’ve seen (last game against ASVEL). He’s been essentially a non-factor otherwise.

Monaco basically doubled Wemby anytime he touched the ball in the first half. He kicked it out to wide open teammates but they couldn’t throw it in the ocean today. Literally. They bricked every single wide open shot I saw them take. It was hard to watch. They even missed a couple open layups. Then Monaco couldn’t miss on the other end or had wide open layups themselves when Wemby wasn’t on the floor. Just heads above Mets in every aspect of the game as a team. This series will be over in 3.

[UcanUwill]

Yea awful game for Mets92. It’s impressive how bad their roster is outside of Wemby. Watching these games really makes you appreciate NBA players and how great they are at this game.

But yea Monaco is clearly the much more talented team, and everyone knew that coming in. They have former NBA players starting for them, while the Mets have Wemby who’s surrounded by some guys that look like they belong nowhere near a basketball court. Even Coulibaly has only had one good game that I’ve seen (last game against ASVEL). He’s been essentially a non-factor otherwise.

Monaco basically doubled Wemby anytime he touched the ball in the first half. He kicked it out to wide open teammates but they couldn’t throw it in the ocean today. Literally. They bricked every single wide open shot I saw them take. It was hard to watch. They even missed a couple open layups. Then Monaco couldn’t miss on the other end or had wide open layups themselves when Wemby wasn’t on the floor. Just heads above Mets in every aspect of the game as a team. This series will be over in 3.

Mike freaking James still not being NBA player is always a good reminder how much talented league got, and how much of a headcase Mike James himself is. Crazy, dude would have easily had minutes to have at least average of 15 points in some previous decades.

[Mirotic12]

Obviously most Europeans are watching one other sporting event now, but I have Metro boxscore in the background, and I think the dream is over, Monaco is destroying Paris so far, 52-21 ouch.

Yeah it's a 32-point lead right now with under 1 minute left in the 3RD.

It's now a matter of how Mets 92 will adjust in the upcoming games, but it's certainly a couple of tiers above what they've faced. Asvel was supposed to be far better than Mets 92 but I don't think they'd have made it that much more competitive.

ASVEL was only a much better opponent in theory. They are the worst team in the EuroLeague, and they played the series without their two of their best players, in Joffrey Lauvern and Nando de Colo, who despite being well past his prime, is still their best player by leaps and bounds.

So the worst team in EuroLeague, minus two key players and their best player, actually meant ASVEL wasn't that different of a team. Maybe just slight favorites, if that. If ASVEL would have had De Colo, they would have 100% swept the series against the Mets, but they didn't have him.

Monaco is an entirely different situation. It's got its key players available, and it also isn't the worst team in EuroLeague like ASVEL is. It's actually a good EuroLeague team. So we are talking way higher competition than a injury ASVEL team.

The reality is Wemby probably would have averaged something like 8 and 5, or in that general type of numbers range, if he played in EuroLeague this season. That's why it's obvious that him and his agents knew they could pad his stats on a team like Metropolitan, and that was also just playing in the Pro A. The obvious reality is that the vast majority of NBA teams and scouts still don't seem to understand the differences in different European leagues and teams - it was very clear from how they talked about Luka before the draft, that they still don't seem to understand the differences in levels of competition between the NCAA versus some European national league, like France's Pro A, versus some second tier European league, like the EuroCup, versus the actual EuroLeague.

So why stay in EuroLeague, if all the NBA will just do is actually penalize you for it? Since they look at it as no different than any random European national league, or even NCAA DI, in terms of the level of the competition. Wemby might be going number 3 in the draft like Luka did, if he stayed in EuroLeague. That's how ridiculous the NBA scouting of Europe is. It really was a good move by Wemby to leave ASVEL and go play just in Pro A, on a team that would just left him do whatever he wants for the most part. If he was having games like this in EuroLeague, the NBA "talent experts" would be questioning him, since "he didn't play against the vastly superior NCAA athletes", just like the nonsense they said about Luka.

[_jin]

The game went pretty much as expected, Monaco is just on a different level, even their second unit was stomping Mets' starting 5. Wemby didnt have a great game, offensively he was marked out of the game and wasnt able to find opportunities by himself and his teammates are not good enough to get him the ball. Defensively Monaco spammed pick and rolls and moved the ball far enough away from him to have a real impact. Next two games should be fairly similar, it's hard to see Mets taking a game but still it'll be valuable experience for him anyway.

[Mirotic12]

The game went pretty much as expected, Monaco is just on a different level, even their second unit was stomping Mets' starting 5. Wemby didnt have a great game, offensively he was marked out of the game and wasnt able to find opportunities by himself and his teammates are not good enough to get him the ball. Defensively Monaco spammed pick and rolls and moved the ball far enough away from him to have a real impact. Next two games should be fairly similar, it's hard to see Mets taking a game but still it'll be valuable experience for him anyway.

We need to emphasize again here that this type of defensive pressure would never be seen by any player in the NBA. No NBA player ever sees anything close to that level of defense, because it's not allowed at all by the NBA's rules and refs.

It's something that people that only follow the NBA are always arguing about, how the defense in the NBA is so much better than in European leagues, even though it isn't. It's actually worse because of the rules and reffing that basically outlaw physical play and the defensive 3 seconds rule.

It's funny seeing the NBA "experts" talk about these NBA finals, and how if someone stayed in the lane more than 3 seconds on defense, and/or if the other team played zone for like a full quarter, then how in the world could an NBA team be expected to actually be able to score points in a game against that.

They act like it's incredibly egregious for a coach to even attempt that during a game and how it's basically not playing fair and blah, blah, blah. It's just standard play for any good European club. So this type of thing is good experience for Wemby. It's tighter defense than anything Jokic sees for example. It will just make things seem that much easier and wide open in the NBA, when he gets there, like how Giannis said it's just so much less defense in the NBA.

So I agree that it's good for Wemby to at least get in a series against that type of a team and defense (good EuroLeague team), before the NBA. It will make him appreciate and attack all the wide open space and open lanes that you don't have against a Euro team like Monaco, in the NBA that much more.

[Pachinko_]

How is Monaco guarding Wemby? Are they trapping and doubling?

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[lambchop]

Obviously most Europeans are watching one other sporting event now, but I have Metro boxscore in the background, and I think the dream is over, Monaco is destroying Paris so far, 52-21 ouch.

Yeah it's a 32-point lead right now with under 1 minute left in the 3RD.

It's now a matter of how Mets 92 will adjust in the upcoming games, but it's certainly a couple of tiers above what they've faced. Asvel was supposed to be far better than Mets 92 but I don't think they'd have made it that much more competitive.

ASVEL was only a much better opponent in theory. They are the worst team in the EuroLeague, and they played the series without their two of their best players, in Joffrey Lauvern and Nando de Colo, who despite being well past his prime, is still their best player by leaps and bounds.

So the worst team in EuroLeague, minus two key players and their best player, actually meant ASVEL wasn't that different of a team. Maybe just slight favorites, if that. If ASVEL would have had De Colo, they would have 100% swept the series against the Mets, but they didn't have him.

Monaco is an entirely different situation. It's got its key players available, and it also isn't the worst team in EuroLeague like ASVEL is. It's actually a good EuroLeague team. So we are talking way higher competition than a injury ASVEL team.

The reality is Wemby probably would have averaged something like 8 and 5, or in that general type of numbers range, if he played in EuroLeague this season. That's why it's obvious that him and his agents knew they could pad his stats on a team like Metropolitan, and that was also just playing in the Pro A. The obvious reality is that the vast majority of NBA teams and scouts still don't seem to understand the differences in different European leagues and teams - it was very clear from how they talked about Luka before the draft, that they still don't seem to understand the differences in levels of competition between the NCAA versus some European national league, like France's Pro A, versus some second tier European league, like the EuroCup, versus the actual EuroLeague.

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Yea ASVEL wasn't even supposed to be in the Euroleague this season, but cause the Russian teams aren't allowed to participate they ended up staying. The French league is generally not very good, but Monaco put together a nice cohesive team after having a great team on paper for a while now.

In the Euroleague Wemby definitely wouldn't have dominated, but that's also cause his role would have been way different. In the Euroleague he would primarily be used as a defensive big and roll man on offense. No Euroleague team would allow him to randomly shoot those step back threes.

Playing in France gave him the chance to pad his stats AND expand his game.

[KdoubleDees23]

How many 7 ft 4 bean poles have we seen stay healthy in the NBA?

I am calling wemby not being the best player from this draft

[Bornstellar]

How many 7 ft 4 bean poles have we seen stay healthy in the NBA?

I am calling wemby not being the best player from this draft

Wow man, what a totally unique and original take!

[KdoubleDees23]

How many 7 ft 4 bean poles have we seen stay healthy in the NBA?

I am calling wemby not being the best player from this draft

Wow man, what a totally unique and original take!

Just giving my honest opinion

[Pachinko_]

How many 7 ft 4 bean poles have we seen stay healthy in the NBA?

I am calling wemby not being the best player from this draft

Sample size insufficient

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[manou]

Mike freaking James still not being NBA player is always a good reminder how much talented league got, and how much of a headcase Mike James himself is. Crazy, dude would have easily had minutes to have at least average of 15 points in some previous decades.

Makes no sense to me either, Mike James would easily be a serviceable NBA player.
Now, he's a huge euro star, he must enjoy his life, who wouldn't ?

[UcanUwill]

Mike freaking James still not being NBA player is always a good reminder how much talented league got, and how much of a headcase Mike James himself is. Crazy, dude would have easily had minutes to have at least average of 15 points in some previous decades.

Makes no sense to me either, Mike James would easily be a serviceable NBA player.
Now, he's a huge euro star, he must enjoy his life, who wouldn't ?

Some of these Euro star types wouldnt make it, like Scottie Wilbekin or Jordan Loyd and others, because they, like MIke James, excel as ball dominant first option guys, and in the NBA, they simply wouldnt have that role. But Mike James I feel is the one exception where he really has skill and athleticism to be a good gunner of the bench at least. Like Jordan Clarkson type.

[lambchop]

Mike freaking James still not being NBA player is always a good reminder how much talented league got, and how much of a headcase Mike James himself is. Crazy, dude would have easily had minutes to have at least average of 15 points in some previous decades.

Makes no sense to me either, Mike James would easily be a serviceable NBA player.
Now, he's a huge euro star, he must enjoy his life, who wouldn't ?

Some of these Euro star types wouldnt make it, like Scottie Wilbekin or Jordan Loyd and others, because they, like MIke James, excel as ball dominant first option guys, and in the NBA, they simply wouldnt have that role. But Mike James I feel is the one exception where he really has skill and athleticism to be a good gunner of the bench at least. Like Jordan Clarkson type.

Yea those types of guys aren't really needed in the NBA. They're basically poor man's versions of Lou Williams who wouldn't be nearly as consistent and still have the same defensive limitations. I think someone like Will Clyburn could be in the NBA, if he were stronger physically which would allow him to defend more positions. I feel as though he would just get pushed around in the league on defense.

[UcanUwill]

Makes no sense to me either, Mike James would easily be a serviceable NBA player.
Now, he's a huge euro star, he must enjoy his life, who wouldn't ?

Some of these Euro star types wouldnt make it, like Scottie Wilbekin or Jordan Loyd and others, because they, like MIke James, excel as ball dominant first option guys, and in the NBA, they simply wouldnt have that role. But Mike James I feel is the one exception where he really has skill and athleticism to be a good gunner of the bench at least. Like Jordan Clarkson type.

Yea those types of guys aren't really needed in the NBA. They're basically poor man's versions of Lou Williams who wouldn't be nearly as consistent and still have the same defensive limitations. I think someone like Will Clyburn could be in the NBA, if he were stronger physically which would allow him to defend more positions. I feel as though he would just get pushed around in the league on defense.

Said this many times, but what a blunder that no one signed Kyle Kuric in his prime. Yes, hes just a role player, but that mavement without the ball and catch & shoot ability just translates, guy was best at what he does in Europe at least for sure, but I think he was on level with Korvers of the world.

[_jin]

Mike freaking James still not being NBA player is always a good reminder how much talented league got, and how much of a headcase Mike James himself is. Crazy, dude would have easily had minutes to have at least average of 15 points in some previous decades.

Makes no sense to me either, Mike James would easily be a serviceable NBA player.
Now, he's a huge euro star, he must enjoy his life, who wouldn't ?

Some of these Euro star types wouldnt make it, like Scottie Wilbekin or Jordan Loyd and others, because they, like MIke James, excel as ball dominant first option guys, and in the NBA, they simply wouldnt have that role. But Mike James I feel is the one exception where he really has skill and athleticism to be a good gunner of the bench at least. Like Jordan Clarkson type.

I don't know, I feel like if Mike James had the option to go back to the NBA he probably would. Sure he'd go from being the face of his league to a random bench guy but he'd still make more money than the €2M/y he's making at Monaco.

[UcanUwill]

Makes no sense to me either, Mike James would easily be a serviceable NBA player.
Now, he's a huge euro star, he must enjoy his life, who wouldn't ?

Some of these Euro star types wouldnt make it, like Scottie Wilbekin or Jordan Loyd and others, because they, like MIke James, excel as ball dominant first option guys, and in the NBA, they simply wouldnt have that role. But Mike James I feel is the one exception where he really has skill and athleticism to be a good gunner of the bench at least. Like Jordan Clarkson type.

I don't know, I feel like if Mike James had the option to go back to the NBA he probably would. Sure he'd go from being the face of his league to a random bench guy but he'd still make more money than the €2M/y he's making at Monaco.

Oh, he sure would, thats my point, it is weird he gets no serious offer, but hes trainwreck and teammate so theres that.

[_jin]

Some of these Euro star types wouldnt make it, like Scottie Wilbekin or Jordan Loyd and others, because they, like MIke James, excel as ball dominant first option guys, and in the NBA, they simply wouldnt have that role. But Mike James I feel is the one exception where he really has skill and athleticism to be a good gunner of the bench at least. Like Jordan Clarkson type.

I don't know, I feel like if Mike James had the option to go back to the NBA he probably would. Sure he'd go from being the face of his league to a random bench guy but he'd still make more money than the €2M/y he's making at Monaco.

Oh, he sure would, thats my point, it is weird he gets no serious offer, but hes trainwreck and teammate so theres that.

I misunderstood you, my bad. I don't know how much of a trainwreck he really is but he's certainly a character. Living in Monaco is certainly a big plus for a guy like him (along with all the other perks that come with living in Monaco).

On a side note, to put some perspective on the ongoing LNB finals, Mike James is making as much money as the whole Mets 92 roster (Wemby included), that just shows the gap between Monaco and the rest of the league and why those finals are being so lopsided.

[Lockdown504090]

wemby heard mfs talking. mans going to work in the 1st rn