2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th)

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Who wins the 2024 NBA FINALS?

Poll ended at Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:00 am

Celtics in 4
14
3%
Celtics in 5
60
12%
Celtics in 6
138
29%
Celtics in 7
38
8%
Mavericks in 4
14
3%
Mavericks in 5
19
4%
Mavericks in 6
161
33%
Mavericks in 7
40
8%
 
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1081 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 12:29 pm

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ajones9219 wrote:
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My point is that Mavs are not hot team, they're very good team, which would have had pretty solid chances to win the West in RS, if they were together the whole season and weren't hit by numerous injuries.

Many Celtics fans are happy playing against Mavs, because they believe Mavs are in the Finals by accident. I wonder, if they had the same mindset, if Mavs would have finished RS first in the West?


They aren't in the finals by accident, they just aren't as good as the Celtics and don't match up well. I think everyone understands the Mavs are a good team.


Why they don't match well? Because everyone from Celtics can shoot 3s? What about Mavs dominating paint points? What about dunks that are basically near 100 Fg%. What is better? Hitting 10 3s more with 40% or 10 dunks more? What about rebounding? Or maybe Mavs don't matchup well because everyone can switch on Luka? Nobody will give any kind of problem to Luka, if he shoots well.


You answered your own question. Because Boston plays 5 out with elite shooters on one end while the Mavs entire defense is built to pack the paint and allow 3's. What you're missing is Boston has both elite perimeter defenders to throw at Luka/Kyrie, and one of the most elite rim protectors in KP to protect the paint/break up the lobs.
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Post#1082 » by Bob8 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 12:42 pm

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Bob8 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
They aren't in the finals by accident, they just aren't as good as the Celtics and don't match up well. I think everyone understands the Mavs are a good team.


Why they don't match well? Because everyone from Celtics can shoot 3s? What about Mavs dominating paint points? What about dunks that are basically near 100 Fg%. What is better? Hitting 10 3s more with 40% or 10 dunks more? What about rebounding? Or maybe Mavs don't matchup well because everyone can switch on Luka? Nobody will give any kind of problem to Luka, if he shoots well.


You answered your own question. Because Boston plays 5 out with elite shooters on one end while the Mavs entire defense is built to pack the paint and allow 3's. What you're missing is Boston has both elite perimeter defenders to throw at Luka/Kyrie, and one of the most elite rim protectors in KP to protect the paint/break up the lobs.


Who are those elite shooters? :lol: Elite shooting team were Warriors with prime Steph, Klay and KD. Celtics are shooting worse than Mavs in playoffs and Pacers were not exactly elite perimeter defensive team. OKC was playing 5 out offense too, but was kept alive only by insane midrange shooting by Shai. Celtics might win a game or 2 with hot shooting, but that's far away from dominating series. Mavs with Luka are more than capable of hot shooting nights too. They were 3rd in 3s made in RS.

Kp is good help defender but far from elite rim protector. Don't forget that we have been watching him for few years in Dallas and nobody was upset about him being traded. His total inability to protect the rim was the reason for Mavs playing Boban alongside him in Clippers series. He might be more motivated now, but I doubt that anyone is afraid of him.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1083 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 12:56 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Why they don't match well? Because everyone from Celtics can shoot 3s? What about Mavs dominating paint points? What about dunks that are basically near 100 Fg%. What is better? Hitting 10 3s more with 40% or 10 dunks more? What about rebounding? Or maybe Mavs don't matchup well because everyone can switch on Luka? Nobody will give any kind of problem to Luka, if he shoots well.


You answered your own question. Because Boston plays 5 out with elite shooters on one end while the Mavs entire defense is built to pack the paint and allow 3's. What you're missing is Boston has both elite perimeter defenders to throw at Luka/Kyrie, and one of the most elite rim protectors in KP to protect the paint/break up the lobs.


Who are those elite shooters? :lol: Elite shooting team were Warriors with prime Steph, Klay and KD. Celtics are shooting worse than Mavs in playoffs and Pacers were not exactly elite perimeter defensive team. OKC was playing 5 out offense too, but was kept alive only by insane midrange shooting by Shai. Celtics might win a game or 2 with hot shooting, but that's far away from dominating series. Mavs with Luka are more than capable of hot shooting nights too. They were 3rd in 3s made in RS.

Kp is good help defender but far from elite rim protector. Don't forget that we have been watching him for few years in Dallas and nobody was upset about him being traded. His total inability to protect the rim was the reason for Mavs playing Boban alongside him in Clippers series. He might be more motivated now, but I doubt that anyone is afraid of him.


KP averages near the same amount of block as Gafford and is top 10 in the league....Along with that, it's a well established fact that KP is one of the very best at deterring shots over the past few years due to his length. There is literally no comparing KP on the Mavs to him now. He went from one of the worst post players in the league to statistically the best since last season. You're being delusional.

Also Boston isn't an elite shooting team? They took and made the most 3s in the league this year and #2 in percentage (while taking 8 more 3's a game vs #1). They are literally the best 3 point shooting team in the league. Also the Pacers have defended the 3 better than the Mavs over the regular season and been basically dead even in the playoffs, with the Mavs playing worse shooting teams. Again you're just being delusional brother. Boston not having had a crazy heater series yet from 3 is bad news if anything for the Mavs because odds say they will go hot at some point for an extended stretch.

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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1084 » by durden_tyler » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:05 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
My point is that Mavs are not hot team, they're very good team, which would have had pretty solid chances to win the West in RS, if they were together the whole season and weren't hit by numerous injuries.

Many Celtics fans are happy playing against Mavs, because they believe Mavs are in the Finals by accident. I wonder, if they had the same mindset, if Mavs would have finished RS first in the West?


They aren't in the finals by accident, they just aren't as good as the Celtics and don't match up well. I think everyone understands the Mavs are a good team.


Why they don't match well? Because everyone from Celtics can shoot 3s? What about Mavs dominating paint points? What about dunks that are basically near 100 Fg%. What is better? Hitting 10 3s more with 40% or 10 dunks more? What about rebounding? Or maybe Mavs don't matchup well because everyone can switch on Luka? Nobody will give any kind of problem to Luka, if he shoots well.

Defensively i think is where Boston will take advantage. Simply, they have the tools to stop/slow down Luka and/or Kyrie.


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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1085 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:07 pm

durden_tyler wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
They aren't in the finals by accident, they just aren't as good as the Celtics and don't match up well. I think everyone understands the Mavs are a good team.


Why they don't match well? Because everyone from Celtics can shoot 3s? What about Mavs dominating paint points? What about dunks that are basically near 100 Fg%. What is better? Hitting 10 3s more with 40% or 10 dunks more? What about rebounding? Or maybe Mavs don't matchup well because everyone can switch on Luka? Nobody will give any kind of problem to Luka, if he shoots well.

Defensively i think is where Boston will take advantage. Simply, they have the tools to stop/slow down Luka and/or Kyrie.


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We're arguing with someone who just said Boston isn't an elite shooting team, and KP is a bad rim protector. I don't think he actually cares about bringing facts into this :lol:
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Post#1086 » by Bob8 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:10 pm

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Bob8 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
You answered your own question. Because Boston plays 5 out with elite shooters on one end while the Mavs entire defense is built to pack the paint and allow 3's. What you're missing is Boston has both elite perimeter defenders to throw at Luka/Kyrie, and one of the most elite rim protectors in KP to protect the paint/break up the lobs.


Who are those elite shooters? :lol: Elite shooting team were Warriors with prime Steph, Klay and KD. Celtics are shooting worse than Mavs in playoffs and Pacers were not exactly elite perimeter defensive team. OKC was playing 5 out offense too, but was kept alive only by insane midrange shooting by Shai. Celtics might win a game or 2 with hot shooting, but that's far away from dominating series. Mavs with Luka are more than capable of hot shooting nights too. They were 3rd in 3s made in RS.

Kp is good help defender but far from elite rim protector. Don't forget that we have been watching him for few years in Dallas and nobody was upset about him being traded. His total inability to protect the rim was the reason for Mavs playing Boban alongside him in Clippers series. He might be more motivated now, but I doubt that anyone is afraid of him.


KP averages near the same amount of block as Gafford and is top 10 in the league....Along with that, it's a well established fact that KP is one of the very best at deterring shots over the past few years. You're being delusional.

Also Boston isn't an elite shooting team? They took and made the most 3s in the league this year and #2 in percentage (while taking 8 more 3's a game vs #1). They are literally the best 3 point shooting team in the league. Again you're just being delusional brother.

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White: 39.6%
Porzingis: 37.5%
Tatum: 37.6%
Brown: 35.4%
Horford: 41.9%
Hauser: 42.4%
Pritchard: 38.5%


You're forgetting that Mavs played against Chet, who is for sure better than KP.

There is not a single elite shooter there. Celtics might be the best shooting team in the league, but they averaged only 1.9 3s more than Mavs in RS, Mavs were 3rd in 3s made, shooting 38.8% for 3, Mavs 36.9%. And they averaged 2 3s more in playoffs, shooting 36.8%, Mavs 37.2%.

Do you really believe that's the difference on which you should build your enormous confidence?
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1087 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:20 pm

Bob8 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Who are those elite shooters? :lol: Elite shooting team were Warriors with prime Steph, Klay and KD. Celtics are shooting worse than Mavs in playoffs and Pacers were not exactly elite perimeter defensive team. OKC was playing 5 out offense too, but was kept alive only by insane midrange shooting by Shai. Celtics might win a game or 2 with hot shooting, but that's far away from dominating series. Mavs with Luka are more than capable of hot shooting nights too. They were 3rd in 3s made in RS.

Kp is good help defender but far from elite rim protector. Don't forget that we have been watching him for few years in Dallas and nobody was upset about him being traded. His total inability to protect the rim was the reason for Mavs playing Boban alongside him in Clippers series. He might be more motivated now, but I doubt that anyone is afraid of him.


KP averages near the same amount of block as Gafford and is top 10 in the league....Along with that, it's a well established fact that KP is one of the very best at deterring shots over the past few years. You're being delusional.

Also Boston isn't an elite shooting team? They took and made the most 3s in the league this year and #2 in percentage (while taking 8 more 3's a game vs #1). They are literally the best 3 point shooting team in the league. Again you're just being delusional brother.

Holiday: 42.9%
White: 39.6%
Porzingis: 37.5%
Tatum: 37.6%
Brown: 35.4%
Horford: 41.9%
Hauser: 42.4%
Pritchard: 38.5%


There is not a single elite shooter there. Celtics might be the best shooting team in the league, but they averaged only 1.9 3s more than Mavs in RS, Mavs were 3rd in 3s made, shooting 38.8% for 3, Mavs 36.9%. And they averaged 2 3s more in playoffs, shooting 36.8%, Mavs 37.2%.

Do you really believe that's the difference on which you should build your enormous confidence?


Dude I'm done. If you don't understand the difference, then IDK what to tell you. The difference between Boston at #1 and Dallas at #3 in 3 pointers made per game is literally the same gap between Dallas and the Rockets at #14.

Since apparently you're just going to ignore statistical evidence....yes, it's more than enough to justify my confidence. Boston had the most efficient offense in NBA history and the #3 net rating all time. Mavs have no **** chance. That what you want me to say? I've been trying to keep it nice and keep it about the stats but I'm done. Celtics in 5
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1088 » by Bob8 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:26 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
KP averages near the same amount of block as Gafford and is top 10 in the league....Along with that, it's a well established fact that KP is one of the very best at deterring shots over the past few years. You're being delusional.

Also Boston isn't an elite shooting team? They took and made the most 3s in the league this year and #2 in percentage (while taking 8 more 3's a game vs #1). They are literally the best 3 point shooting team in the league. Again you're just being delusional brother.

Holiday: 42.9%
White: 39.6%
Porzingis: 37.5%
Tatum: 37.6%
Brown: 35.4%
Horford: 41.9%
Hauser: 42.4%
Pritchard: 38.5%


There is not a single elite shooter there. Celtics might be the best shooting team in the league, but they averaged only 1.9 3s more than Mavs in RS, Mavs were 3rd in 3s made, shooting 38.8% for 3, Mavs 36.9%. And they averaged 2 3s more in playoffs, shooting 36.8%, Mavs 37.2%.

Do you really believe that's the difference on which you should build your enormous confidence?


Dude I'm done. If you don't understand the difference, then IDK what to tell you. The difference between Boston at #1 and Dallas at #3 in 3 pointers made per game is literally the same gap between Dallas and the Rockets at #14.

Since apparently you're just going to ignore statistical evidence....yes, it's more than enough to justify my confidence. Boston had the most efficient offense in NBA history and the #3 net rating all time. Mavs have no **** chance. That what you want me to say? I've been trying to keep it nice and keep it about the stats but I'm done. Celtics in 5


The difference is 2 3s, 6 points. Mavs survived - 36 points against Wolves in game 1.

Good, line is getting very long with overconfident Thunder, Wolves and Celtics fans. ;)
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Post#1089 » by MassimoPayne » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:28 pm

Can we all agree that these finals will be the most interesting over the last couple of years?
- relatively easy way vs. western battleground
- best team since day 1 vs. team that has fought its way to current form over the course of the season
- two players vs. their ex-teams
- Luka and Kyrie vs. Tatum and Brown
- Kyrie's new image vs. old narrative
- Tatum and Brown vs. Celtics are good but can't win it all
- Al Horford vs. the best playoff lob teams since years
- KP vs. injury
- Dallas third most important player is a rookie
- Despite Luka and Kyrie Mavs are a defensive powerhouse
- Celtics have 4+ elite defenders but is this enough for Luka?
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Post#1090 » by SpreeS » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:28 pm

The differences between 2022 and 2024 Celtics are

1. Jrue vs Smart
2. Finals experience
3. Played games in PO 18 vs 16 GSW (2022) and 14 vs 17 DAL (2024)
4. Home advantage

They were very close to win it all in 2022. I cant see BOS losing with so many upgrades in all these areas. Also BOS played 20 games in last 3 PO round...they were gased and on last legs in the second part of the Finals.
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Post#1091 » by Tha Cynic » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:51 pm

The matchup for the Mavs is really bad because there is a significant talent level disparity between the teams once you get past the two best players. But this is also a chance for Luka and Kyrie to show whether building around two superstars rather than a Detroit style overall team is still the way to go.
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Post#1092 » by MrGoat » Mon Jun 3, 2024 1:52 pm

We're forgetting the biggest storyline of this series. Dwight Powell's revenge tour against the Celtics.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1093 » by Dundalis » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:03 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
You answered your own question. Because Boston plays 5 out with elite shooters on one end while the Mavs entire defense is built to pack the paint and allow 3's. What you're missing is Boston has both elite perimeter defenders to throw at Luka/Kyrie, and one of the most elite rim protectors in KP to protect the paint/break up the lobs.


Who are those elite shooters? :lol: Elite shooting team were Warriors with prime Steph, Klay and KD. Celtics are shooting worse than Mavs in playoffs and Pacers were not exactly elite perimeter defensive team. OKC was playing 5 out offense too, but was kept alive only by insane midrange shooting by Shai. Celtics might win a game or 2 with hot shooting, but that's far away from dominating series. Mavs with Luka are more than capable of hot shooting nights too. They were 3rd in 3s made in RS.

Kp is good help defender but far from elite rim protector. Don't forget that we have been watching him for few years in Dallas and nobody was upset about him being traded. His total inability to protect the rim was the reason for Mavs playing Boban alongside him in Clippers series. He might be more motivated now, but I doubt that anyone is afraid of him.


KP averages near the same amount of block as Gafford and is top 10 in the league....Along with that, it's a well established fact that KP is one of the very best at deterring shots over the past few years due to his length. There is literally no comparing KP on the Mavs to him now. He went from one of the worst post players in the league to statistically the best since last season. You're being delusional.

Also Boston isn't an elite shooting team? They took and made the most 3s in the league this year and #2 in percentage (while taking 8 more 3's a game vs #1). They are literally the best 3 point shooting team in the league. Also the Pacers have defended the 3 better than the Mavs over the regular season and been basically dead even in the playoffs, with the Mavs playing worse shooting teams. Again you're just being delusional brother. Boston not having had a crazy heater series yet from 3 is bad news if anything for the Mavs because odds say they will go hot at some point for an extended stretch.

Holiday: 42.9%
White: 39.6%
Porzingis: 37.5%
Tatum: 37.6%
Brown: 35.4%
Horford: 41.9%
Hauser: 42.4%
Pritchard: 38.5%

I hope KP plays because he will get cooked by Luka in PnR, and off ball screens. The Mavs already faced a superior version of KP who's a straight up better rim protector in Chet, and the Mavs made him a liability. Also the Thunder have a similarly strong perimeter defense, there was almost nothing between the Thunder and Celtics in defensive metrics during the season apart from the Celtics had more frequent easier eastern conference matchups.

There are only two elite half court offensive initiators in this series, and both play for Dallas. Tatum and Brown are the second and third best players in the series, but neither are remotely in the elite bracket as half court offensive initiators. Boston certainly have 4 good ones, but no one truly elite.

Every round since the OKC series, the opposing teams fans have made noise about how their perimeter defenders have the capacity to slow Luka down in single coverage. Literally the only thing that slows Luka down is his health. If a healthy Kawhi and PG can do absolutely zero to slow down a 21 year old less experienced version of Luka, the quality of your individual defenders doesn't matter. If he's fully healthy, you single cover him and he absolutely cooks you, or you bring aggressive blitzes and double teams and compromise the solidity of your defense. We'll see if I'm proven wrong, but I don't see any scenario where Dallas will ever require sustained aggressive blitzes or doubles against anyone on the Celtics, because they don't have anyone that can manipulate any and every single type of defensive coverage in the half court to an elite level.

Bottom line is a healthy Luka has repeatedly cooked every single type of defensive coverage and playoff teams headlined by a younger and healthy version of Kawhi and PG, of which there is no one on Boston at that level defensively.

The Celtics can certainly win the series via simply shooting the lights out which they are certainly capable of doing. But they aren't getting any easy paint points to supplement their scoring, and they aren't stopping a Luka free of any serious health issues in any type of single coverage no matter who they wanna switch onto him. I don't doubt how good the Celtics offense can be, but lots of people are grossly overrating what Boston's defense is gonna be able to do vs Luka now that he looks fully healthy IMO.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1094 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:06 pm

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ajones9219 wrote:
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There is not a single elite shooter there. Celtics might be the best shooting team in the league, but they averaged only 1.9 3s more than Mavs in RS, Mavs were 3rd in 3s made, shooting 38.8% for 3, Mavs 36.9%. And they averaged 2 3s more in playoffs, shooting 36.8%, Mavs 37.2%.

Do you really believe that's the difference on which you should build your enormous confidence?


Dude I'm done. If you don't understand the difference, then IDK what to tell you. The difference between Boston at #1 and Dallas at #3 in 3 pointers made per game is literally the same gap between Dallas and the Rockets at #14.

Since apparently you're just going to ignore statistical evidence....yes, it's more than enough to justify my confidence. Boston had the most efficient offense in NBA history and the #3 net rating all time. Mavs have no **** chance. That what you want me to say? I've been trying to keep it nice and keep it about the stats but I'm done. Celtics in 5


The difference is 2 3s, 6 points. Mavs survived - 36 points against Wolves in game 1.

Good, line is getting very long with overconfident Thunder, Wolves and Celtics fans. ;)


Celtics have more playoff experience, more talent, a better offensive/defensive/and net rating for literally any segment of season you want to pick. RS, Post trade deadline, playoffs. Pick one, the Celtics are better at offense, defense and have a historically high net rating, along with being better in essentially any stat you could possibly use to compare 2 teams. You aren't playing the baby faced Thunder, or the offensively inept Wolves anymore. You're in for a rude awakening.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1095 » by The Corey's » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:09 pm

Some of y'all actually think Luka gonna single handedly win this.

Luka already averaging 35 a game against the Celtics and Dallas still losing bad.

It's interesting that Luka is still gonna get his but Brown and Tatum who have destroyed Dallas are gonna fall back to earth.

Stopping Luka isn't the priority. 35 a game isn't gonna be enough.
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Post#1096 » by The Corey's » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:10 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Dude I'm done. If you don't understand the difference, then IDK what to tell you. The difference between Boston at #1 and Dallas at #3 in 3 pointers made per game is literally the same gap between Dallas and the Rockets at #14.

Since apparently you're just going to ignore statistical evidence....yes, it's more than enough to justify my confidence. Boston had the most efficient offense in NBA history and the #3 net rating all time. Mavs have no **** chance. That what you want me to say? I've been trying to keep it nice and keep it about the stats but I'm done. Celtics in 5


The difference is 2 3s, 6 points. Mavs survived - 36 points against Wolves in game 1.

Good, line is getting very long with overconfident Thunder, Wolves and Celtics fans. ;)


Celtics have more playoff experience, more talent, a better offensive/defensive/and net rating for literally any segment of season you want to pick. RS, Post trade deadline, playoffs. Pick one, the Celtics are better at offense, defense and have a historically high net rating, along with being better in essentially any stat you could possibly use to compare 2 teams. You aren't playing the baby faced Thunder, or the offensively inept Wolves anymore. You're in for a rude awakening.



No need to engage with this user. Dallas in 3 mentality. They don't care about anything outside their own take.

I'm taking **** for saying Celtics in 5 when every single statistical category is in the Celtics favor.
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Post#1097 » by The Corey's » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:14 pm

I was done with the Mavs takes when I started seeing Luka and Irving are good defensive players.

The bar is so low when you got them playing acceptable defense.
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Post#1098 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:15 pm

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Bob8 wrote:
Who are those elite shooters? :lol: Elite shooting team were Warriors with prime Steph, Klay and KD. Celtics are shooting worse than Mavs in playoffs and Pacers were not exactly elite perimeter defensive team. OKC was playing 5 out offense too, but was kept alive only by insane midrange shooting by Shai. Celtics might win a game or 2 with hot shooting, but that's far away from dominating series. Mavs with Luka are more than capable of hot shooting nights too. They were 3rd in 3s made in RS.

Kp is good help defender but far from elite rim protector. Don't forget that we have been watching him for few years in Dallas and nobody was upset about him being traded. His total inability to protect the rim was the reason for Mavs playing Boban alongside him in Clippers series. He might be more motivated now, but I doubt that anyone is afraid of him.


KP averages near the same amount of block as Gafford and is top 10 in the league....Along with that, it's a well established fact that KP is one of the very best at deterring shots over the past few years due to his length. There is literally no comparing KP on the Mavs to him now. He went from one of the worst post players in the league to statistically the best since last season. You're being delusional.

Also Boston isn't an elite shooting team? They took and made the most 3s in the league this year and #2 in percentage (while taking 8 more 3's a game vs #1). They are literally the best 3 point shooting team in the league. Also the Pacers have defended the 3 better than the Mavs over the regular season and been basically dead even in the playoffs, with the Mavs playing worse shooting teams. Again you're just being delusional brother. Boston not having had a crazy heater series yet from 3 is bad news if anything for the Mavs because odds say they will go hot at some point for an extended stretch.

Holiday: 42.9%
White: 39.6%
Porzingis: 37.5%
Tatum: 37.6%
Brown: 35.4%
Horford: 41.9%
Hauser: 42.4%
Pritchard: 38.5%

I hope KP plays because he will get cooked by Luka in PnR, and off ball screens. The Mavs already faced a superior version of KP who's a straight up better rim protector in Chet, and the Mavs made him a liability. Also the Thunder have a similarly strong perimeter defense, there was almost nothing between the Thunder and Celtics in defensive metrics during the season apart from the Celtics had more frequent easier eastern conference matchups.

There are only two elite half court offensive initiators in this series, and both play for Dallas. Tatum and Brown are the second and third best players in the series, but neither are remotely in the elite bracket as half court offensive initiators. Boston certainly have 4 good ones, but no one truly elite.

Every round since the OKC series, the opposing teams fans have made noise about how their perimeter defenders have the capacity to slow Luka down in single coverage. Literally the only thing that slows Luka down is his health. If a healthy Kawhi and PG can do absolutely zero to slow down a 21 year old less experienced version of Luka, the quality of your individual defenders doesn't matter. If he's fully healthy, you single cover him and he absolutely cooks you, or you bring aggressive blitzes and double teams and compromise the solidity of your defense. We'll see if I'm proven wrong, but I don't see any scenario where Dallas will ever require sustained aggressive blitzes or doubles against anyone on the Celtics, because they don't have anyone that can manipulate any and every single type of defensive coverage in the half court to an elite level.

Bottom line is a healthy Luka has repeatedly cooked every single type of defensive coverage and playoff teams headlined by a younger and healthy version of Kawhi and PG, of which there is no one on Boston at that level defensively.

The Celtics can certainly win the series via simply shooting the lights out which they are certainly capable of doing. But they aren't getting any easy paint points to supplement their scoring, and they aren't stopping a Luka free of any serious health issues in any type of single coverage no matter who they wanna switch onto him. I don't doubt how good the Celtics offense can be, but lots of people are grossly overrating what Boston's defense is gonna be able to do vs Luka now that he looks fully healthy IMO.


Dallas doesn't have a top 5 half court offense either in the the regular season or playoffs (7th in both). Boston has the #1 half court offense in the league during the regular season and #2 in the playoffs.....how could this be if Dallas has the only 2 elite half court initiators? I swear y'all act like we can't google this ****.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1099 » by Dundalis » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:16 pm

The Corey's wrote:Some of y'all actually think Luka gonna single handedly win this.

Luka already averaging 35 a game against the Celtics and Dallas still losing bad.

It's interesting that Luka is still gonna get his but Brown and Tatum who have destroyed Dallas are gonna fall back to earth.

Stopping Luka isn't the priority. 35 a game isn't gonna be enough.

Keep thinking Dallas is the same team they were earlier in the season. Every other team the Mavs have played thought the same thing.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th) 

Post#1100 » by The Corey's » Mon Jun 3, 2024 2:17 pm

ajones9219 wrote:
Dundalis wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
KP averages near the same amount of block as Gafford and is top 10 in the league....Along with that, it's a well established fact that KP is one of the very best at deterring shots over the past few years due to his length. There is literally no comparing KP on the Mavs to him now. He went from one of the worst post players in the league to statistically the best since last season. You're being delusional.

Also Boston isn't an elite shooting team? They took and made the most 3s in the league this year and #2 in percentage (while taking 8 more 3's a game vs #1). They are literally the best 3 point shooting team in the league. Also the Pacers have defended the 3 better than the Mavs over the regular season and been basically dead even in the playoffs, with the Mavs playing worse shooting teams. Again you're just being delusional brother. Boston not having had a crazy heater series yet from 3 is bad news if anything for the Mavs because odds say they will go hot at some point for an extended stretch.

Holiday: 42.9%
White: 39.6%
Porzingis: 37.5%
Tatum: 37.6%
Brown: 35.4%
Horford: 41.9%
Hauser: 42.4%
Pritchard: 38.5%

I hope KP plays because he will get cooked by Luka in PnR, and off ball screens. The Mavs already faced a superior version of KP who's a straight up better rim protector in Chet, and the Mavs made him a liability. Also the Thunder have a similarly strong perimeter defense, there was almost nothing between the Thunder and Celtics in defensive metrics during the season apart from the Celtics had more frequent easier eastern conference matchups.

There are only two elite half court offensive initiators in this series, and both play for Dallas. Tatum and Brown are the second and third best players in the series, but neither are remotely in the elite bracket as half court offensive initiators. Boston certainly have 4 good ones, but no one truly elite.

Every round since the OKC series, the opposing teams fans have made noise about how their perimeter defenders have the capacity to slow Luka down in single coverage. Literally the only thing that slows Luka down is his health. If a healthy Kawhi and PG can do absolutely zero to slow down a 21 year old less experienced version of Luka, the quality of your individual defenders doesn't matter. If he's fully healthy, you single cover him and he absolutely cooks you, or you bring aggressive blitzes and double teams and compromise the solidity of your defense. We'll see if I'm proven wrong, but I don't see any scenario where Dallas will ever require sustained aggressive blitzes or doubles against anyone on the Celtics, because they don't have anyone that can manipulate any and every single type of defensive coverage in the half court to an elite level.

Bottom line is a healthy Luka has repeatedly cooked every single type of defensive coverage and playoff teams headlined by a younger and healthy version of Kawhi and PG, of which there is no one on Boston at that level defensively.

The Celtics can certainly win the series via simply shooting the lights out which they are certainly capable of doing. But they aren't getting any easy paint points to supplement their scoring, and they aren't stopping a Luka free of any serious health issues in any type of single coverage no matter who they wanna switch onto him. I don't doubt how good the Celtics offense can be, but lots of people are grossly overrating what Boston's defense is gonna be able to do vs Luka now that he looks fully healthy IMO.


Dallas doesn't have a top 5 half court offense either in the the regular season or playoffs (7th in both). Boston has the #1 half court offense in the league during the regular season and #2 in the playoffs.....how could this be if Dallas has the only 2 elite half court initiators? I swear y'all act like we can't google this ****.


This user has KP worse than Chet as if KP isn't like our 4th or 5th best player.

He is a luxury. Not a necessity.

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