Cooper Flagg

Rainwater · Post #1081 » by **Rainwater** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:30 pm

TravisScott55 wrote:I'd take Bailey and Harper over him tbh

Bailey doesn’t have the all around game that Cooper. Harper is the number 2 pick but he doesn’t have the ceiling that Cooper has. Cooper has first pick locked up.

Rainwater · Post #1082 » by **Rainwater** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:33 pm

BigGargamel wrote:
zero rings wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:he's a tremendous talent, hes a do it all type player that'll fill up the stat sheet. But he's not the guy you give the ball to to go and get a bucket. Ace Bailey is that kind of player. I don't think he' should be the #1

Ace Bailey is averaging 0.7 assists in 33 mpg. That is insane.

He's not going to be a go-to scorer in the NBA if he can't read the floor at all.

Bailey over Flagg is definitely....a take.

Bailey is definitely going to be a pro but I think he a bit overrated. He just seems to be a chucker. He reminds me of Portis honestly.

Drakeem · Post #1083 » by **Drakeem** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:40 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Yeah, I don't get why people forget just how massive Zion was at the draft, we thought he could be next LeBron, easily the most hyped up number one pick since LeBron and definitely a generational talent. It is ok to admit we were wrong, we were all wrong, most people feared he could be injury prone and they were right on that, but we didn't know he would get fat, forget that he averaged 4 stocks in college and just be Zach Randolph with ball handling...

You don't understand what generational is.

So what is? Zion was one of the best prospects we have seen in many decades, he supposed to be best player in the world going forward, if you just put every draft prospect ever at the day ofvthe draft, he gets drafted in the top 10. It didn't work, but he was so highly touted.

Zion was a guy who people thought had a crack at being a superstar if things go right.

The list of "generational players" the other person listed were people who were being talked about as having potential to be the greatest basketball player ever from the beginning.

Bank Shot · Post #1084 » by **Bank Shot** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:40 pm

Bailey over Flagg is a wild take given what we've seen so far. I could see Ace dropping out of the top 5. No one is really popping outside of Flagg and Harper, but Bailey has so, so many red flags.

Post #1085 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 10:54 pm

AJ Dybantsa is who people were hoping Bailey could be. A long, very athletic 6’8 scorer who can do a lot of everything.

But Bailey is one of those athletic wings who can score (not that efficiently) but will get the “potential” tag put on the rest of his game.

1:3 assist to turnover (not 3:1), a tiny FTr to go with awful FT shooting (55%), and zero impact defensively (that’s putting It nicely).

If you’re looking for that athletic score first wing with overall high level potential, just wait a year for AJ. That is the guy you’re hoping Bailey could become.

Madhouse · Post #1086 » by **Madhouse** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 11:35 pm

his defense alone already makes him an Allstar. There is nobody close to him in this draft. Could have MVP ceiling unless Wemby takes all.

Papi_swav · Post #1087 » by **Papi_swav** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 12:35 am

BigGargamel wrote:
zero rings wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:he's a tremendous talent, hes a do it all type player that'll fill up the stat sheet. But he's not the guy you give the ball to to go and get a bucket. Ace Bailey is that kind of player. I don't think he' should be the #1

Ace Bailey is averaging 0.7 assists in 33 mpg. That is insane.

He's not going to be a go-to scorer in the NBA if he can't read the floor at all.

Bailey over Flagg is definitely....a take.

Yes this is my take and I'm going to live with it. Hey I might be wrong, Ace might be a bust and Flagg might be the 2nd coming of Lebron like you all making him out to be. I see Flagg having a shawn Marion type career which is definitely awesome. I just think Ace is the guy you give the ball to and get out the way which is a talent everybody don't have. All the other things can be taught. Again, this is just my opinion, no need for guys to get their panties in a bunch.

Sphynx · Post #1088 » by **Sphynx** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:25 am

Would actually like to see him land at the Hornets, for the only reason that Ball, Miller and Flagg is a hell of a core and likely to propel them as another deep playoff side in a few years.

azcatz11 · Post #1089 » by **azcatz11** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:27 am

Flagg is underrated

Funcrusher · Post #1090 » by **Funcrusher** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:35 am

Duke4life831 wrote:AJ Dybantsa is who people were hoping Bailey could be. A long, very athletic 6’8 scorer who can do a lot of everything.

But Bailey is one of those athletic wings who can score (not that efficiently) but will get the “potential” tag put on the rest of his game.

1:3 assist to turnover (not 3:1), a tiny FTr to go with awful FT shooting (55%), and zero impact defensively (that’s putting It nicely).

If you’re looking for that athletic score first wing with overall high level potential, just wait a year for AJ. That is the guy you’re hoping Bailey could become.

Bailey's pretty young Duke, i think its too early to label him one way or the other potential wise, i could easily see his shooting/handle (his two biggest swing skills) taking a leap under the right team willing to seriously invest in his development. Probably not my team lol, but i think he could really thrive in a relatively stable org (jazz maybe? Brooklyn?).

Also am higher on his defense and potential there than you are, he's not a huge stocks guy but i think he's shown some promise on ball guarding 2 - 4 positions and he has lapses off ball like a lotta of young defenders but think he's generally pretty active and engaged there. Could see him staying in the top 5 especially if he wows teams in workouts come draft time.

BigGargamel · Post #1091 » by **BigGargamel** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 3:10 am

Papi_swav wrote:
BigGargamel wrote:
zero rings wrote:
Ace Bailey is averaging 0.7 assists in 33 mpg. That is insane.

He's not going to be a go-to scorer in the NBA if he can't read the floor at all.

Bailey over Flagg is definitely....a take.

Yes this is my take and I'm going to live with it. Hey I might be wrong, Ace might be a bust and Flagg might be the 2nd coming of Lebron like you all making him out to be. I see Flagg having a shawn Marion type career which is definitely awesome. I just think Ace is the guy you give the ball to and get out the way which is a talent everybody don't have. All the other things can be taught. Again, this is just my opinion, no need for guys to get their panties in a bunch.

It was more the fact that you had Bailey over Flagg than Flagg not being #1. Bailey is not having a good season at all. Decent scorer, but has a ton of holes in his game.

Handlez · Post #1092 » by **Handlez** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 4:53 am

Hope whatever team Cooper ends up on gives him the keys and let's him grow on the court.

Only experience can make him better.

No BS watching and learning.

Give him the keys.

Handlez · Post #1093 » by **Handlez** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:33 am

BigGargamel wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
BigGargamel wrote:
Bailey over Flagg is definitely....a take.

Yes this is my take and I'm going to live with it. Hey I might be wrong, Ace might be a bust and Flagg might be the 2nd coming of Lebron like you all making him out to be. I see Flagg having a shawn Marion type career which is definitely awesome. I just think Ace is the guy you give the ball to and get out the way which is a talent everybody don't have. All the other things can be taught. Again, this is just my opinion, no need for guys to get their panties in a bunch.

It was more the fact that you had Bailey over Flagg than Flagg not being #1. Bailey is not having a good season at all. Decent scorer, but has a ton of holes in his game.

19 and 8 on 46% isn't good for a freshman?

MiltownMadness · Post #1094 » by **MiltownMadness** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:36 am

Cooper is very underrated on here, wow. Kid already has #1 locked up. For me it was set in stone after the USA scrimmages and his college performance has just solidified that

Papi_swav · Post #1095 » by **Papi_swav** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 11:22 am

Handlez wrote:
BigGargamel wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Yes this is my take and I'm going to live with it. Hey I might be wrong, Ace might be a bust and Flagg might be the 2nd coming of Lebron like you all making him out to be. I see Flagg having a shawn Marion type career which is definitely awesome. I just think Ace is the guy you give the ball to and get out the way which is a talent everybody don't have. All the other things can be taught. Again, this is just my opinion, no need for guys to get their panties in a bunch.

It was more the fact that you had Bailey over Flagg than Flagg not being #1. Bailey is not having a good season at all. Decent scorer, but has a ton of holes in his game.

19 and 8 on 46% isn't good for a freshman?

lol yea idk what these guys are talking about. Yes Flagg seems more NBA ready right now, but Ace is 6'10 and plays like a guard. He has the length and range to guard 1-4. I think his potential is sky high

Ayt · Post #1096 » by **Ayt** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 1:21 pm

Papi_swav wrote:
Handlez wrote:
BigGargamel wrote:
It was more the fact that you had Bailey over Flagg than Flagg not being #1. Bailey is not having a good season at all. Decent scorer, but has a ton of holes in his game.

19 and 8 on 46% isn't good for a freshman?

lol yea idk what these guys are talking about. Yes Flagg seems more NBA ready right now, but Ace is 6'10 and plays like a guard. He has the length and range to guard 1-4. I think his potential is sky high

Bailey has 9 assists in 13 games.

Jcool0 · Post #1097 » by **Jcool0** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 5:49 pm

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NYPiston · Post #1098 » by **NYPiston** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 6:10 pm

azcatz11 wrote:Flagg is underrated

100%, saying that Harper or especially Bailey should be taken over him is evidence of that.

People LOVE their flashy prospects. Flagg can be flashy with his athleticism but he's moreso the type of player that does the dirty work, does all the little things very well, while also being highly skilled.

He's a very unique prospect in the sense that his game is so well rounded and mature already as a barely 18 year old freshman which makes his floor unusually high but he also has room for growth with his shooting and ballhandling so it also makes his ceiling very high. He's as surefire a prospect as you'll find, maybe not generational MVP level guy but he seems like a safe bet to be a top 20 NBA player and that's a high end #1 pick.

Braggins · Post #1099 » by **Braggins** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 6:15 pm

12footrim wrote:I expect him to be the #1 pick and longterm it will probably work out well, but a lot of people are already talking about him as the best player in college basketball or top 5. I think expecting a 6-9, 200lb dude that plays in the post to come into college basketball at the age of 17 and be a top 5 player like I've seen some pick him is ridiculous in the super senior era. Freshmen are struggling more than ever per kenpom.

He not only has that working against him, he doesn't turn 18 until like the last week of December when there will be many 23 and 24 year old 250lb post players in college basketball next year in the last year of the super senior. It's basically like a high school Junior playing in college basketball if you take his age and those in their 5th or 6th years and he will run into Bacot and DJ Burns types.

12footrim wrote:This is where you get it entirely wrong and don't understand the stats. Anthony Davis was nearly putting up Zach Edey numbers and value per possession in college . He had the #1 PER in the nation that year, the #1 in Defensive rating, Defensive win shares and win shares, #1 in offensive rating, number 1 in net differential. #1 in box plus minus etc etc etc. He's top 10 all time in these. In all the major value stats he was #1 just like Edey, all time great infact. #2 all time in Box plus minus ahead of Edey.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/men/2012-leaders.html

You just got to understand what you are looking at.

Flagg has only been 18 for a few weeks and hes currently #2 in defensive rating (Flagg = 81.3 / AD = 80.7), #1 in defensive win shares, 9th in win shares, #3 in box plus minus (Flagg = +14.3 / AD = +17.2), and #3 in defensive box plus minus (Flagg = +7.7 / AD = +8.1).

Averaging 17.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.3 bpg on 46%/31%/78% shooting.

BigGargamel · Post #1100 » by **BigGargamel** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:53 am

Handlez wrote:
BigGargamel wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:Yes this is my take and I'm going to live with it. Hey I might be wrong, Ace might be a bust and Flagg might be the 2nd coming of Lebron like you all making him out to be. I see Flagg having a shawn Marion type career which is definitely awesome. I just think Ace is the guy you give the ball to and get out the way which is a talent everybody don't have. All the other things can be taught. Again, this is just my opinion, no need for guys to get their panties in a bunch.

It was more the fact that you had Bailey over Flagg than Flagg not being #1. Bailey is not having a good season at all. Decent scorer, but has a ton of holes in his game.

19 and 8 on 46% isn't good for a freshman?

Terrible free throw shooting and assist numbers. Those are the huge red flags I am talking about. I think he can be a good 20 point per game tunnel vision scorer, but the worry is he tops out as an MPJ with no court awareness whatsoever. There's really no way you objectively rank him above Flagg.

I think people who are low on Flagg bought into the unnecessary hype. People who know NBA drafts never called him "generational". But he has All Star potential. Like, no one is calling him the "2nd coming of Lebron". When people say things like that, they just don't like him because of the hype that people who get paid to hype up players gave him. No one here has ever said that, to my recollection.