2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt II

[ThePersianFreak]

LeBron got half of his points last game while Perkins was in the game. Once Perkins came out a lot of things changed.

And in regards to last night

KD had 28/8/3 with 5 TO, 22 shots

LeBron had 33/7/3 with 8 TO, 22 shots

So using that lone game to say Durant doesn't have a big lead in the MVP race really doesn't make sense. Not only is it just 1 out of 82 games, but Durant and OKC went into Miami without Westbrook and beat down the Heat so so those two games cancel eachother out if anything.

What's your point?! it's not like Perk was defending LeBron. KD was gaurding him and got smoked big time. it hurts for you, but it happened to KD in a bad way.
And you think i don't know what you did there? posting just pts/rbs/asts and number of shot taken by them?
KD was 10/22, LeBron was 15/22 (thanks to garbage time pts and BS calls he could put up 28). 6 of LeBron's TO were'nt his fault (if you actually watch the game you would've known) and he did'nt play last 6 minutes. don't try to make last night game a good game for KD, he got smoked and he played bad. but LeBron played much better in their first H2H match-up.
And nobody's saying this game put LeBron in the lead, no, but it was'nt just a game in February. when you're talking about MVP race, H2H match-ups do matter. media made a big deal out of this game, everybody (including Durant) knew it was a big game but he played a poor game, LeBron played great and that has some effect on this race.

I still have KD in the lead, because of better numbers, better record. but it's close, very close. if LeBron play this good for another 2 weeks and the Heat get number 1 spot in the East he can very well take the lead.

[James Rustles]

Nah, it's not close as of today.

And it's hilarious to see you bring up Durant getting garbage time points when LeBron got 8 garbage time points the game Durant and OKC smoked Miami.

Like the above user said, it's pointless to have this discussion with you seeing as you have a horse in the race and are letting that blind you.

[ThePersianFreak]

Slight edge to Durant statistically? Seriously? He blows LeBron out in every conceivable metric for the season.

And for the last few weeks: let's call it the month of Feb:

LeBron: 30.8/8.6/7.0 on 63.3% TS.
Durant: 32.5/8.3/6.9 on 58.8% TS.

Their statistical production over the period is more or less even, edge to Durant for raw stats and LeBron for efficiency.

Then compare that to January....

LeBron: 27.5/6.5/5.9 on 63.6% TS.
Durant: 35.1/6.1/6.1 on 68.5% TS.

So what exactly is your point? Sure LeBron had a good game against the Thunder yesterday but KD absolutely smoked the Heat the last time they played before that.

This is Durant and it's not close for now. LeBron will need to play at the level he has for the past two weeks for the rest of the season to draw even, and if Durant has another January-like run then it's over anyway.

He blows out LeBron?! no, just no!
Their stats are similar with slight edge to Durant.
And about their H2H match-up, in their first meeting LeBron played a great game, but last night KD got owned by LeBron and that's the difference my friend. yeah it was a very very very bad game for Durant. He got smoked by LeBron in a very bad way/time.
Again, wether you like it or not, IT IS CLOSE, VERY CLOSE.
I know you don't like LeBron, and are thinking about KD' monster month in january and probably thinking people should not forget what he's done the whole year, but it is what it is, almost all of the media guys think it's a tie at this point of the season.

He does blow out LeBron statistically.

31.4/7.8/5.5 vs. 26.9/7.0/6.9
30.7 PER vs. 29.4 PER
.315 WS/48 vs. .267 WS/48 (HUMONGOUS)
+5.3 On/Off vs. +2.1 On/Off

And I do like LeBron. I think 2013 is one of the five best seasons anyone has ever had in history, and he was also the league's best player in 2009, 2010 and 2012.

I'm just being objective here, KD has outproduced LeBron like crazy and he has more success with a worse bunch of teammates for most of the season.

But going by your username it's probably pointless to have this discussion

LeBron's averaging 7.1 rpg and 6.5 apg.
Anyway, i don't see why you're saying he blows out LeBron. Yes he has scored better but other than that it's close (though it has alot to do with player usage % and effeciency. LeBron shooting at a better %, better EF% and TS%). KD's having a better rebounding season, LeBron's passing has been better. they have same amount of STLs and TOs per game.
I do agree that overall KD's been outproducing LeBron in this season, but it's not like crazy. and the reason why this thread is getting hot is because LeBron's numbers are getting better and better and KD's numbers are getting worse. yes he's still scoring bunch of pts, but his FG% has been bad by his standards past few weeks, his Ast/TOs ration is getting worse and being completely outplay by LeBron does'nt help either. it was 3 weeks ago when KD had a 32+ PER and LeBron's PER was 28! couple of more crazy game by LeBron and he'll have a 30+ PER.
As i said, i still have him as the MVP because i do know that overall he's played the best basketball this season, and Thunder have the better record. but it is closer than you try to make it.

[ThePersianFreak]

Nah, it's not close as of today.

And it's hilarious to see you bring up Durant getting garbage time points when LeBron got 8 garbage time points the game Durant and OKC smoked Miami.

Like the above user said, it's pointless to have this discussion with you seeing as you have a horse in the race and are letting that blind you.

KD had 28 pts going to 4th quarter, LeBron had 27.
LeBron and KD both had pts in garbage time. but LeBron did'nt get embarrassed like KD, atleast he played a very good game.
And if you think it pointless to have this discussion with me, do'nt answer to my comments. it's easy.

[bondom34]

But going by your username it's probably pointless to have this discussion

Can't emphasize this enough. Never debate someone with the player's name in their username. I've done it before, you will never ever win.

[CablexDeadpool]

I don't see where people think Lebron has been "outplayed" by Durant.

Lebron has been more consistent than Durant.

Durant was putting up James Harden/ Kobe Bryant numbers in Novemeber, Lebron was on Shaq in November.

27 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 TOs, 45 FG and 36 3FG 88 FT 59 TS 49 EFG

27 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 3.6 TOs, 61 FG, 40 3FG, 80FT 69TS 65 EFG

KD out played Lebron barely in December. KD w and Feb, but Lebron never was "bad". KD just played a lot on volume and was spectacular and led his team to a good record during Jan on high usage and great efficiency.

Lebron averaged 24.6 points in December and was taking about 16 shots. Lebron just now started opening his game up and just disregarding his precious near 60 percent FG and the volume is going up.

But Lebron put up 60 40 and 80 in November and had a 70 TS, come on son. And even then, he never put up a month like KD did in Nov, he just didn't do 70 TS again and his team ain't even that far back of Thunder and Pacers, while D Wade play sparingly and his barely shooting month of December.

If it wasn't for KD's month of Jan. Lebron would be MVP favorite once again, it's just that people like moments and narratives.

If Lebron and KD season's switch places and Durant put up his Jan. #s in Nov. and Lebron put his Nov. #s in Jan., it would be Lebron runaway race.

[Atmanne]

it's just that people like moments and narratives.

and stats.

[James Rustles]

it's just that people like moments and narratives.

and stats.

and winning more games.

[CablexDeadpool]

and stats.

Which I just put out...which clearly shows Lebron been the more consistent player while KD was just the more spectacular.

and winning more games.

Which Lebron's team has the fourth best record in the league and 1 or 2 away from top of the Leastern conference.

[Zo-Zo Ma]

How I feel clicking on this thread

[Mikey111690]

The people who think this race isn't close are fooling themselves. It doesn't matter what you and I think, it matters what the Media thinks and it's clear that they now believe this race is tight and that's mainly due to Thursday nights game where Durant was thoroughly outplayed by LeBron, especially in the 1st quarter and the Thunder were completely demolished by the Heat. Should that one game change things so significantly? Probably not, but we're at a point where the NFL season is over and we're past the All Star break so all eyes are going to be on the NBA and that game was a nationally televised game that was highly anticipated. Durant was destroyed by LeBron in it as well as the Thunder being destroyed by the Heat. Add that up with the way LeBron's been playing this month and there's you're reason for why the media (the only opinion that really matters when it comes to this award) believes this is a tight race.

You can dislike it all you'd like, but it's pretty clear this is now a tight race.

[theokie]

LeBron still needs to outplay Durant over the final 2 months in order to take the lead. If they play about even, I think Durant will still hold on to it. Its Durant right now, but LeBron has a great chance at surpassing KD if he can rip off a long winning streak or impressive scoring streak.

[z_from_kc]

What's funny is the LeBron gave Durant a half season head start on winning the award. Bron was coasting up until a couple weeks ago. Durant has been playing in his highest gear since day one. Soon as LeBron flipped that switch the world was issued a reality check. Guys who really know LeBron and who have been following him since 2002 like myself knew this was coming. All the prisoners of the moment were ready to put KD in the King's throne and proclaim him the best in the world after a good January LOLZLOLZLOLZ!!!!!! Damn youngsters, gotta lot to learn about how this game works. LeBron could give 2 **** about this MVP award. He's BORED with the MVP award. Yet he's still probably going to win his 5th this season because Durant went all in and peaked too early. Oh well, at least he can get another scoring title. And I don't mean to come off as a Durant hater because that isn't the case. Its just this new wave of KD fanboys is starting to get on my nerves a bit. Bron had to statistically murder Kobe for like 7 years before folks were finally forced to admit that we had a new best player in the world. Now these same people as well as a new group of Bron haters have banded together in an attempt to push KD into Bron's #1 spot after a couple great months of REGULAR SEASON play. Its laughable and annoying. But oh well, cream always rises to the top and in the end there will be no denying the truth.

[MaxPayne]

I still think KD has played better this season and he deserves it this year.

But it's funny to see these Bulls/Laker fans are so quick to bring up stats for their argument why KD deserves it this year and they are the same people who used to say stats don't mean sh*t. Remember 2010-11 regular season? Didn't LeBron have better stats than Rose? And Laker fans who always used to preach about Heart/clutch>Stats, only because they couldn't use Kobe's stats against LeBron's.

Like I said, KD still deserves it but it's just funny to see Bulls/Laker fans bringing up stats only because this time LeBron's stats are inferior than KD's.

[Colbinii]

What's funny is the LeBron gave Durant a half season head start on winning the award. Bron was coasting up until a couple weeks ago. Durant has been playing in his highest gear since day one. Soon as LeBron flipped that switch the world was issued a reality check. Guys who really know LeBron and who have been following him since 2002 like myself knew this was coming. All the prisoners of the moment were ready to put KD in the King's throne and proclaim him the best in the world after a good January LOLZLOLZLOLZ!!!!!! Damn youngsters, gotta lot to learn about how this game works. LeBron could give 2 **** about this MVP award. He's BORED with the MVP award. Yet he's still probably going to win his 5th this season because Durant went all in and peaked too early. Oh well, at least he can get another scoring title. And I don't mean to come off as a Durant hater because that isn't the case. Its just this new wave of KD fanboys is starting to get on my nerves a bit. Bron had to statistically murder Kobe for like 7 years before folks were finally forced to admit that we had a new best player in the world. Now these same people as well as a new group of Bron haters have banded together in an attempt to push KD into Bron's #1 spot after a couple great months of REGULAR SEASON play. Its laughable and annoying. But oh well, cream always rises to the top and in the end there will be no denying the truth.

I am not sure any people thought Durant was actually better than LeBron or that he has taken his seat as the best in the league.

If people did say that, they are uneducated or likely stem from BSPN, and the fact that you acknowledge their opinion as anything more than nothing is a mistake on your part.

[PaulieWal]

I am not sure any people thought Durant was actually better than LeBron or that he has taken his seat as the best in the league.

What? The GB and PC board is littered with Durant is already better than LeBron posts. Even in this thread there were/are a lot of people saying that when Durant went on that tear. The PC board has a few threads comparing the two and not naming any names but a couple of posters in this thread consistently say Durant is better than LeBron. All of this isn't to say KD isn't the MVP this season, he is and will likely win it but there are a fair share of people here have been saying that. I have noticed that the media which was starting to drive the conversation about KD being the better overall player has backed off in the last month or so ever since LeBron started playing like himself again.

[MisterHibachi]

I have noticed that the media which was starting to drive the conversation about KD being the better overall player has backed off in the last month or so ever since LeBron started playing like himself again.

This is why I feel that last OKC-Miami game was such a game changer in this race. Part of the reason Durant built such a big lead was because people thought he had overtaken LeBron as the best in the game. LeBron's gotten healthy and hit his stride recently, combined with the beat down he put on Durant and OKC in that last game, and put all those thoughts to rest. Durant has lost all hold on that 'overtaking LeBron as the best in the game' narrative and that's the biggest reason to me why this race is close again.

[Colbinii]

I am not sure any people thought Durant was actually better than LeBron or that he has taken his seat as the best in the league.

What? The GB and PC board is littered with Durant is already better than LeBron posts. Even in this thread there were/are a lot of people saying that when Durant went on that tear. The PC board has a few threads comparing the two and not naming any names but a couple of posters in this thread consistently say Durant is better than LeBron. All of this isn't to say KD isn't the MVP this season, he is and will likely win it but there are a fair share of people here have been saying that. I have noticed that the media which was starting to drive the conversation about KD being the better overall player has backed off in the last month or so ever since LeBron started playing like himself again.

Really?
I mean, I don't read the GB board other than this thread and the GIF thread, so I can't speak for the GB Board, but from the PC board, the majority of people who were KD Fanboys even admitted that Durant has to do what he did in January in the Playoffs.

I wouldn't expect the PC board to be that delusional!

[MisterHibachi]

I am not sure any people thought Durant was actually better than LeBron or that he has taken his seat as the best in the league.

What? The GB and PC board is littered with Durant is already better than LeBron posts. Even in this thread there were/are a lot of people saying that when Durant went on that tear. The PC board has a few threads comparing the two and not naming any names but a couple of posters in this thread consistently say Durant is better than LeBron. All of this isn't to say KD isn't the MVP this season, he is and will likely win it but there are a fair share of people here have been saying that. I have noticed that the media which was starting to drive the conversation about KD being the better overall player has backed off in the last month or so ever since LeBron started playing like himself again.

Really?
I mean, I don't read the GB board other than this thread and the GIF thread, so I can't speak for the GB Board, but from the PC board, the majority of people who were KD Fanboys even admitted that Durant has to do what he did in January in the Playoffs.

I wouldn't expect the PC board to be that delusional!

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Durant was leading in that poll until Thursday's game.

[rich316]

So the consensus is:
1) If the season ended today, KD wins the MVP.
2) If KD keeps playing great and has the best record at season's end, he wins MVP.
3) If Lebron continues playing in beast mode and has the best record at season's end, he wins MVP.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like everybody in this thread is agreeing with each other

Man, the NBA is so effing good right now.