Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ) 

Post#1101 » by Zenzibar » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:50 pm

Childs wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
lakerz12 wrote:
There is literally "real quality, healthy affordable food" at virtually every grocery store in the country.

People need more discipline and to make better decisions.

But America is no worse of a situation than any other country. You're taking a fine tooth comb to America but you can find equally terrible things everywhere.

Why aren't you blaming China?

This whole world is messed up.


My dude, I'm singling us out because I care about what goes on here mores. The majority of supermarkets are full of unhealthy foods, meanwhile have 1 or 2 isles of organic alternatives.
Instead of healthy alternatives, Doctors prescribe meds like they're candy, even though these same meds poison our system.

Don't take it out of context.


Im assuming poison our system you mean side effects? All medications have side effects. There isn't one medication on this planet that doesn't have a side effect.

Aspirin; as an antiplatelet and anti inflammatory that is needed for heart attacks and coronary artery disease can cause the side effect of GI bleeds and ulcers
Plaquenil: A mainstay for the treatment of Lupus, can affect vision
Furosemide: A needed medication for the swelling in heart failure, can cause decreased potassium in your body
Lisinopril: A needed medication for heart failure and the worsening of kidney problems in diabetics, can cause increased potassium, and rarely a potentially life threatening condition called angioedema (which can happen in a matter of weeks to decades later)
Every Antibiotics that physicians give out and is prescribed has a potential side effects.

All these meds undergo multiple trials before being given to the pubic. Without these meds, the progression of alot of these chronic diseases will get worse, and cause increased mortality potentially to these patients.

And Doctors do suggest healthy alternatives, but sometimes patients don't follow those alternatives cause they take to long sometimes to see the positive benefit and other reasons.


Appreciate the pharmaceutical glossary reply and understand the need for critical meds. My point is that there are dozens of meds that don't fit the critical types you mentioned in your post.

From cheatsheet.com
The Most Dangerous Over-the-Counter Cold Medications
Advil. You probably have some Advil around your house. ...
Tylenol PM. Beware if you're taking Tylenol PM. ...
Aspirin. Aspirin is a staple in many cabinets. ...
NyQuil. NyQuil can actually be addicting. ...
Sudafed Congestion. Sudafed doesn't come without its risks. ...
Children's Dimetapp Cough & Cold. Even kid's medicines aren't always safe.

Additionally mentioned in my post were genetic modified foods that have been acknowledged to cause clogged arteries that lead to these medications you described. Also, Washington is full of interest groups that paid millions to senators and congressmen to pass or block legislation prohibiting certain medications or foods. List goes on and on.

My point is that we've been exposed to the overall health of the nation and folks over 50. After years of eating garbage and pumping themselves with garbage medications.
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Post#1102 » by Nuntius » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:51 pm

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I can buy that--but if we want to assume that China's testing numbers are not accurate then we have to assume their number of confirmed cases/deaths are not accurate either. The problem I have is when people want to pick and choose what data to believe in to fit an agenda.

I just toss everything China has reported out the window. I am not buying anything they say.


same here. I am not buying anything the MAGA state say. more tests than any nation.... this trump absurd **** is disgusting.


lol. If you cant see the difference between China and the US in reliability of numbers, i dunno what to tell you. This anti American chit is getting dragged wayy too far. MAGA doesnt control what individual states, like NY, report. MAGA doesnt control what individual people say or post online. China does.

There is some reliability in the info you have coming out of the US. There is zero reliability in the info coming out of the CCP


It is pretty much a fact that almost every country in the world is under-reporting numbers. The reason for that is the lack of mass-scale testing globally. The only country that does do mass-scale tests is South Korea. I do consider their numbers trustworthy. Everyone else? Nah. They are all under-reporting to varying degrees simply because they aren't testing everyone.
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Post#1103 » by Vader » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:52 pm

Trippinskarlo wrote:
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Wilfried wrote:
What did they do then? They did something right, no?


free treatment from testing to recovery. everything .
tracking every case. quarantine everyone.
facemasks all time.
never worry about economy or stock markets.

China cares more about the economy then its people. Part of the reason they have lied and are still lying about numbers..


care more about economy by tanking GDP to -26%?
Any base for your claim?

still lying? any proof? I am seeing China is back to normal. Soon Wuhan will end its locking down. You are seeing different things? any proof?
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ) 

Post#1104 » by Childs » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:53 pm

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Childs wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
My dude, I'm singling us out because I care about what goes on here mores. The majority of supermarkets are full of unhealthy foods, meanwhile have 1 or 2 isles of organic alternatives.
Instead of healthy alternatives, Doctors prescribe meds like they're candy, even though these same meds poison our system.

Don't take it out of context.


Im assuming poison our system you mean side effects? All medications have side effects. There isn't one medication on this planet that doesn't have a side effect.

Aspirin; as an antiplatelet and anti inflammatory that is needed for heart attacks and coronary artery disease can cause the side effect of GI bleeds and ulcers
Plaquenil: A mainstay for the treatment of Lupus, can affect vision
Furosemide: A needed medication for the swelling in heart failure, can cause decreased potassium in your body
Lisinopril: A needed medication for heart failure and the worsening of kidney problems in diabetics, can cause increased potassium, and rarely a potentially life threatening condition called angioedema (which can happen in a matter of weeks to decades later)
Every Antibiotics that physicians give out and is prescribed has a potential side effects.

All these meds undergo multiple trials before being given to the pubic. Without these meds, the progression of alot of these chronic diseases will get worse, and cause increased mortality potentially to these patients.

And Doctors do suggest healthy alternatives, but sometimes patients don't follow those alternatives cause they take to long sometimes to see the positive benefit and other reasons.


Appreciate the pharmaceutical glossary reply and understand the need for critical meds. My point is that there are dozens of meds that don't fit the critical types you mentioned in your post.

From cheatsheet.com
The Most Dangerous Over-the-Counter Cold Medications
Advil. You probably have some Advil around your house. ...
Tylenol PM. Beware if you're taking Tylenol PM. ...
Aspirin. Aspirin is a staple in many cabinets. ...
NyQuil. NyQuil can actually be addicting. ...
Sudafed Congestion. Sudafed doesn't come without its risks. ...
Children's Dimetapp Cough & Cold. Even kid's medicines aren't always safe.

Additionally mentioned in my post were genetic modified foods that have been acknowledged to cause clogged arteries that lead to these medications you described. Also, Washington is full of interest groups that paid millions to senators and congressmen to pass or block legislation prohibiting certain medications or foods. List goes on and on.

My point is that we've been exposed to the overall health of the nation and folks over 50. After years of eating garbage and pumping themselves with garbage medications.


Those are more symptom controlling meds. On those meds are labels to tell you appropriate dosing, and if you have other comorbidities to ask your doctor or health care provider about appropriate dosing. They aren't dangerous meds, unless you disregard the labelling and take however much you want.

Having a fever sucks, and taking Tylenol to control it is fine. Its 1-2 tablets every 4-6 hrs for a max of 4 gm a day for a person who doesnt have liver problems. If you decide screw that, and take 100 tablets, then yeah good bye liver.

it's like buying a desk from Ikea. You follow the instructions and you are fine. You don't just chuck the instructions and say Im going do whatever I want. Prob not going to go well for you.
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Post#1105 » by Vader » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:58 pm

Nuntius wrote:It is pretty much a fact that almost every country in the world is under-reporting numbers. The reason for that is the lack of mass-scale testing globally. The only country that does do mass-scale tests is South Korea. I do consider their numbers trustworthy. Everyone else? Nah. They are all under-reporting to varying degrees simply because they aren't testing everyone.



South Korea just did 400K tests.. ... it is far from mass-scale and not enough. This will drag long for them.
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Post#1106 » by Nuntius » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:01 pm

Vader wrote:
Nuntius wrote:It is pretty much a fact that almost every country in the world is under-reporting numbers. The reason for that is the lack of mass-scale testing globally. The only country that does do mass-scale tests is South Korea. I do consider their numbers trustworthy. Everyone else? Nah. They are all under-reporting to varying degrees simply because they aren't testing everyone.



South Korea just did 400K tests.. ... it is far from mass-scale and not enough. This will drag long for them.


I don't know how their tests have proceeded now that they have seemingly gotten it under control. But I do know that they did do mass-scale tests early on, when it was absolutely needed.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ) 

Post#1107 » by Zenzibar » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:03 pm

Childs wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
Childs wrote:
Im assuming poison our system you mean side effects? All medications have side effects. There isn't one medication on this planet that doesn't have a side effect.

Aspirin; as an antiplatelet and anti inflammatory that is needed for heart attacks and coronary artery disease can cause the side effect of GI bleeds and ulcers
Plaquenil: A mainstay for the treatment of Lupus, can affect vision
Furosemide: A needed medication for the swelling in heart failure, can cause decreased potassium in your body
Lisinopril: A needed medication for heart failure and the worsening of kidney problems in diabetics, can cause increased potassium, and rarely a potentially life threatening condition called angioedema (which can happen in a matter of weeks to decades later)
Every Antibiotics that physicians give out and is prescribed has a potential side effects.

All these meds undergo multiple trials before being given to the pubic. Without these meds, the progression of alot of these chronic diseases will get worse, and cause increased mortality potentially to these patients.

And Doctors do suggest healthy alternatives, but sometimes patients don't follow those alternatives cause they take to long sometimes to see the positive benefit and other reasons.


Appreciate the pharmaceutical glossary reply and understand the need for critical meds. My point is that there are dozens of meds that don't fit the critical types you mentioned in your post.

From cheatsheet.com
The Most Dangerous Over-the-Counter Cold Medications
Advil. You probably have some Advil around your house. ...
Tylenol PM. Beware if you're taking Tylenol PM. ...
Aspirin. Aspirin is a staple in many cabinets. ...
NyQuil. NyQuil can actually be addicting. ...
Sudafed Congestion. Sudafed doesn't come without its risks. ...
Children's Dimetapp Cough & Cold. Even kid's medicines aren't always safe.

Additionally mentioned in my post were genetic modified foods that have been acknowledged to cause clogged arteries that lead to these medications you described. Also, Washington is full of interest groups that paid millions to senators and congressmen to pass or block legislation prohibiting certain medications or foods. List goes on and on.

My point is that we've been exposed to the overall health of the nation and folks over 50. After years of eating garbage and pumping themselves with garbage medications.


Those are more symptom controlling meds. On those meds are labels to tell you appropriate dosing, and if you have other comorbidities to ask your doctor or health care provider about appropriate dosing. They aren't dangerous meds, unless you disregard the labelling and take however much you want.

Having a fever sucks, and taking Tylenol to control it is fine. Its 1-2 tablets every 4-6 hrs for a max of 4 gm a day for a person who doesnt have liver problems. If you decide screw that, and take 100 tablets, then yeah good bye liver.

it's like buying a desk from Ikea. You follow the instructions and you are fine. You don't just chuck the instructions and say Im going do whatever I want. Prob not going to go well for you.



Appreciate the feedback my Dude. But big Pharma is a huge money making conglomerate, so is Monsanto, who by the way now is under the Bayer umbrella.
Need I say more to you.

Anyway don't want to derail this important thread any more. Thanks for the conversation.
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Post#1108 » by MotownMadness » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:18 pm

What Were they originally predicting for deaths from this little monster?
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Post#1109 » by sfernald » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:18 pm

I heard China free press is on such a lock down that Chinese have resorted to putting out news and diaries of the truth of the carnage through github of all places.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-coronavirus-doctor-whistleblower-journalists-beijing-a9427946.html
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Post#1110 » by Vader » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:45 pm

Nuntius wrote:
Vader wrote:
Nuntius wrote:It is pretty much a fact that almost every country in the world is under-reporting numbers. The reason for that is the lack of mass-scale testing globally. The only country that does do mass-scale tests is South Korea. I do consider their numbers trustworthy. Everyone else? Nah. They are all under-reporting to varying degrees simply because they aren't testing everyone.



South Korea just did 400K tests.. ... it is far from mass-scale and not enough. This will drag long for them.


I don't know how their tests have proceeded now that they have seemingly gotten it under control. But I do know that they did do mass-scale tests early on, when it was absolutely needed.


They do targeted tests and volunteer based tests, quick and easy but relying on the awareness of the people. That's why their number is not dropping to zero. SK need to step it up.

China do forced tests. all kinds of tests, frequently. China have the same expensive medical costs as USA but free for treatment of this virus this time. People are happy to get tested and free treatment for once. No one will hide the illness and infects his own family. Guangdong province alone did 300K tests for the first month even though their total cases is less than 2000. Wuhan did 20K tests per day in the beginning days. I'd be surprised if China haven't done 3 to 10 million tests in total.

USA do tests only when you have CDC or doctors or hospitals' approval from what I heard from my colleagues. To claim that US did more tests than any nation is Trump's usual bull. People are dying and someone is still spreading his turd ... :banghead:
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Post#1111 » by ROballer » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:48 pm

919 deaths in Italy in the last day.
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Post#1112 » by Vader » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:49 pm

sfernald wrote:I heard China free press is on such a lock down that Chinese have resorted to putting out news and diaries of the truth of the carnage through github of all places.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-coronavirus-doctor-whistleblower-journalists-beijing-a9427946.html


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Post#1113 » by aggerrard » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:50 pm

nymets1 wrote:
Noctilux wrote:
Ainosterhaspie wrote:Every western nation is having the same problem. Meanwhile all the eastern nations are doing well. The issue is more cultural than political. Hopefully the culture in the West changes as a result of this.



Northern European countries are doing much better than Spain, Italy, France, and the U.S.


I think I understand what you mean. I use bing.com/covid and these are the numbers as of right now from bing:

Iceland- 737 confirmed cases( 68 recoveries, only 668 active cases)
Finland- 792 confirmed cases( 10 recoveries, only 781 active cases)
Estonia- 404 confirmed cases( 9 recoveries, 394 active cases)

Unfortunately Denmark and Norway have 0 recoveries
Latvia and Lithuania have under 300 confirmed cases and only 1 recovery each

I think all of those countries are small so none of those countries would reach 10,000 confirmed cases.

I can't speak for all those countries.

But in Denmark we don't keep track on those recovered - so the real number could be +500 recovered. We don't know. Just like only those in severe or critical condition are getting tested, so the real number of infected is believed to be up to 10-100 times the confirmed cases, by experts. Meaning an estimated 20-200k infected in Denmark alone - and i would guess many of those have recovered aswell.

So people are recovering - we just don't keep track on it. :)
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Post#1114 » by AdagioPace » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:50 pm

terrible day for Italy....919 reported deaths in the last 24 hours
Becoming numb towards these numbers is a real danger
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Post#1115 » by Nuntius » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:53 pm

Vader wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
Vader wrote:

South Korea just did 400K tests.. ... it is far from mass-scale and not enough. This will drag long for them.


I don't know how their tests have proceeded now that they have seemingly gotten it under control. But I do know that they did do mass-scale tests early on, when it was absolutely needed.


They do targeted tests and volunteer based tests, quick and easy but relying on the awareness of the people. That's why their number is not dropping to zero. SK need to step it up.

China do forced tests. all kinds of tests, frequently. China have the same expensive medical costs as USA but free for treatment of this virus this time. People are happy to get tested and free treatment for once. No one will hide the illness and infects his own family. Guangdong province alone did 300K tests for the first month even though their total cases is less than 2000. Wuhan did 20K tests per day in the beginning days. I'd be surprised if China haven't done 3 to 10 million tests in total.

USA do tests only when you have CDC or doctors or hospitals' approval from what I heard from my colleagues. To claim that US did more tests than any nation is Trump's usual bull. People are dying and someone is still spreading his turd ... :banghead:


Oh, I'm definitely not saying that the US is doing as many tests as needed. They delayed a ton to start the testing process, unfortunately.

As for China, I don't have a lot of information about what is happening over there. So, thanks for the info that you provided.
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Post#1116 » by Swish1906 » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:57 pm

Italy almost 1000 deaths today. Thats the outlook for the USA next week
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Post#1117 » by mademan » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:00 pm

AdagioPace wrote:terrible day for Italy....919 reported deaths in the last 24 hours
Becoming numb towards these numbers is a real danger


They dropped and then stagnated ~600 before this jump back up. It's troubling that the numbers havent come down even with them doing a strict lockdown for about a month now.

Bad outlook for the US and the lack of buy in here for self quarantine.
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Post#1118 » by ken6199 » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:33 pm



0'40: "I might be already exposed, more likely on the plane than here (in Mexico City)". Wow, so you are likely already infected now you just walk around and treat those guys on the street like statues instead of human beings? What trash ass logic is that.
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Post#1119 » by LKN » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:37 pm

Louisiana is looking very, very scary

Just today: +441 infections and +36 deaths.

They are running at a 4.3% fatality rate and already have the 3rd most deaths of any state.

2746 total infections, 119 deaths.
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Post#1120 » by sfernald » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:38 pm

Vader wrote:
sfernald wrote:I heard China free press is on such a lock down that Chinese have resorted to putting out news and diaries of the truth of the carnage through github of all places.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-coronavirus-doctor-whistleblower-journalists-beijing-a9427946.html


If the anti-China propaganda can comfort some people. ... do it more.

On the other hand, Chinese are back to work.


Yes, I’m just sure things are going swimmingly over there:


https://deadline.com/2020/03/china-orders-re-closing-all-cinemas-nationwide-1202894103/

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