2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 6) - with ROY poll

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Who is the Rookie of the Year?

Cade Cunningham
74
19%
Jalen Green
11
3%
Evan Mobley
72
19%
Scottie Barnes
198
51%
Jalen Suggs
0
No votes
Josh Giddey
10
3%
Franz Wagner
13
3%
Herbert Jones
2
1%
Chris Duarte
1
0%
Other (Dosunmu, Sengun, Yurtseven, Kuminga, etc.)
6
2%
 
Total votes: 387

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Post#1101 » by zaymon » Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:21 pm

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orlando_joe wrote:any magic fan know how to list the "is this anything" from mondays game?..i forgot what it was but had franz as only 7 rookies ever and 6 were hall of fame and rookie of yr..and only 3 played every game? and last player to do it was like 92?


Doesnt matter. Franz gets no love here lol This is the Barnes, Cade, Mobley thread lol


At least we have weekly rookie tracker posted here which shows Wagner is by far the best rookie by EPM which is considered the most accurate advanced metric right now.
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Post#1102 » by Vampirate » Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:57 pm

This is pretty much this thread in a nutshell :lol:

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Post#1103 » by MotownMadness » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:13 pm

Makes my head want to explode reading through all these different stats. Cant wait til next year once they all finally have a off-season after getting a feel for the league and how other teams game plan them.

It takes time adjusting for some like getting used to less shot clock, more spacing, longer 3 point lines etc...
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Post#1104 » by MotownMadness » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:17 pm

Cade and the silly TOs need to stop and he has to start getting to the line. Those extra 5-10 points stars get are big time. Hes scoring everything damn near without FTs.

I would imagine FT uptick would help with his TS% some as well?
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Post#1105 » by Invictus88 » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:26 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Cade and the silly TOs need to stop and he has to start getting to the line. Those extra 5-10 points stars get are big time. Hes scoring everything damn near without FTs.

I would imagine FT uptick would help with his TS% some as well?


This.

It's really not even close in terms how just how many shots he gets up in the paint vs. how few calls he gets compared to the other rookies.

I want to give officials the benefit of the doubt to an extent and say that Cade will end up getting way more calls next year after he's had an off-season to bulk up (making the fouls more obvious). If the whistles started blowing then he'd get 5 more ppg by doing absolutely nothing more than he is now...
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Post#1106 » by LarsV8 » Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:06 pm







I know people don't watch alot of Rockets games, but Green and Sengun are highlight factories.
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Post#1107 » by Tripod » Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:07 pm

The last 2 games, Cade had 1 rebound and had 0 rebounds. Has anything changed....like positioning on floor or anything? Or just a fluke glitch given it's such a small sample size?
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Post#1108 » by Tripod » Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:10 pm

LarsV8 wrote:





I know people don't watch alot of Rockets games, but Green and Sengun are highlight factories.

The skill of Sengun is crazy good. Going to be a great duo to build around.
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Post#1109 » by JackTalkThai » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:09 am

jamaalstar21 wrote:But Cade was not good this year.


Everyone on the board had a laugh after this comment and most disregarded everything else that came both before and after that comment.

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Post#1110 » by The Moose » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:17 am

Tripod wrote:The last 2 games, Cade had 1 rebound and had 0 rebounds. Has anything changed....like positioning on floor or anything? Or just a fluke glitch given it's such a small sample size?


I think its mainly due to Bagley replacing Grant in the lineup, Grant is a 3 playing the 4 and is allergic to rebounding in general
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Post#1111 » by JackTalkThai » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:19 am

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Barnes
Grant
Bey
Heyes
Stewart

Casey


Detroit would be in trouble. Who’s going to run the offense? Barnes as a 35 mpg point forward handling double teams around the perimeter all game AND defending the opponent’s best SG? I don’t believe that would end well, at all. Grant is an offense stalling ISO player. Hayes isn’t a scorer. Stewart isn’t a scorer. And Bey is solid at this point in his career, but consistent he is not. You don’t always know what you’re going to get from him but he definitely needs offensive windows created for him.

I would subtract 5-6 wins from the Pistons current record with that starting lineup. Just a bad mix.
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Post#1112 » by Tripod » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:20 am

Barnes 1st shot of the game tonight was at 9:30 of the 2nd Q and came on **** 29 for the team. And he had to create it for himself.

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Post#1113 » by KingFox » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:34 am

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Post#1114 » by zshawn10 » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:38 am

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Jalen with 13 in the first. Also just beat the rookie record for most 3's in a month
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Post#1115 » by OrlMagic05 » Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:18 am

Franz with 28 tonight. He’s going to be really really good once the magic are done tanking and actually run the offense through him
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Post#1116 » by thelead » Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:22 am

Franz with an efficient 28 pt game. Dude doesn't get enough love here for a rookie averaging 15+ ppg on 47/35/86 splits. I'm not sure where I would rank him against the rest of the top rookies but he's up there with all of the top guys and should be in the ROTY conversation if you're paying attention IMO.
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Post#1117 » by Vampirate » Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:24 am

JackTalkThai wrote:
Vampirate wrote:
Barnes
Grant
Bey
Heyes
Stewart

Casey


Detroit would be in trouble. Who’s going to run the offense? Barnes as a 35 mpg point forward handling double teams around the perimeter all game AND defending the opponent’s best player? I don’t believe that would end well, at all. Grant is an offense stalling ISO player. Hayes isn’t a scorer. Stewart isn’t a scorer. And Bey is solid at this point in his career, but consistent he is not. You don’t always know what you’re going to get from him but he definitely needs offensive windows created for him.

I would subtract 5-6 wins from the Pistons current record with that starting lineup. Just a bad mix.


This is actually not too far from what is happening tbh. He's already playing 35+ minutes and is being asked by Nurse to defend the opponents best player. It'll be interesting to see how he handles constant double teams, that one i'm not sure of.

As for the ball hogging bit, believe it or not, but the Raptors actually average less assists than the Pistons, we're 2nd last in the league. Your team isn't the only one with selfish players.

Bey sounds like Precious, who at the beginning of the year was a negative scorer.

I'll close by saying the constant double teams is a good point, however Barnes is probably one of the very few rookies who can handle it physically. Only Kuminga is in Barnes' tier in terms of a nba ready made body.

It should be noted of course that Barnes automatically becomes the Piston's best rebounder because Bagley sucks for his height.
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Post#1118 » by Phenomenonsense » Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:38 am

thelead wrote:Franz with an efficient 28 pt game. Dude doesn't get enough love here for a rookie averaging 15+ ppg on 47/35/86 splits. I'm not sure where I would rank him against the rest of the top rookies but he's up there with all of the top guys and should be in the ROTY conversation if you're paying attention IMO.


Yo, you know Franz has love out in Michigan too, but I think detroit fans are just too busy arguing with toronto fans. I mean, look at the poll, do you really think that many people think barnes is ROY over mobley? Or is it just that there are a lot of toronto fans on this board? Franz, in particular, and Green getting his **** together a bit more really makes this draft class look insane considering how good Mobley, Cade, and Barnes already are as well.
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Post#1119 » by thelead » Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:46 am

Phenomenonsense wrote:
thelead wrote:Franz with an efficient 28 pt game. Dude doesn't get enough love here for a rookie averaging 15+ ppg on 47/35/86 splits. I'm not sure where I would rank him against the rest of the top rookies but he's up there with all of the top guys and should be in the ROTY conversation if you're paying attention IMO.


Yo, you know Franz has love out in Michigan too, but I think detroit fans are just too busy arguing with toronto fans. I mean, look at the poll, do you really think that many people think barnes is ROY over mobley? Or is it just that there are a lot of toronto fans on this board? Franz, in particular, and Green getting his **** together a bit more really makes this draft class look insane considering how good Mobley, Cade, and Barnes already are as well.

The top guys have shown enough flashes to think they'll all be all-stars at some point in their careers. Mobley, Cade, Green, Franz, Barnes, and Giddy proved that they have very bright futures and we're splitting hairs when you look at that group (and others outside of this group have shown flashes as well). No player is perfect so it's easy to dissect something that you don't like about an individual to prop up your favorite but the truth is, out of the top group of guys, they're all pretty damn good.
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Post#1120 » by MotownMadness » Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:53 am

Are the Magic really sitting Franz at the end of the games? Thats a terrible rebuilding strategy

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