Tatum VS Luka

[DroseReturnChi]

Tatum somehow pretty invisible again when it counts.

He has 28pts through 3...

after setting record for worst plus minus? congratz for the stat padding your team lost but you won.

[MrGoat]

2/10 from 2 point range is what really stands out to me in that game 2, that... needs to be better even if it wouldn't have made a difference in that game. Still an improvement from the 2/12 from 2 point range in game 1 though. He hit a few threes but his teammates weren't hot last night and it got ugly.

[Eagle4]

I'm guessing the 30% are hardcore tatum/Celtics stans because Luka is a good tier or two above chuckum.

[CobraCommander]

It's a team sport. How difficult is that to understand? This "RINGS MATTER" argument with zero context continues to be the stupidest one. Based on your logic, Tatum > Giannis & Jokic, and Rip Hamilton was also the best SG in the league in 2004.

Ok so I thought we were talking Luka and Tatum....I brought up tmac and Kobe because they were considered close comps just like Luka and Tatum and said winning a ring would be the ultimate Trump card. No one said Tatum is Giannis or Jokic - but Luka so far away from being on their level as well that it doesn’t matter...those two in a league that Luka and Tatum ain’t in- the 2 mvp league that includes exactly 13 other guys all time plus they coming into their prime...Luka and Tatum got years to go before the peak but I’m not comparing the kids to the MVPs.

Look if y’all just here to cheer on your boy and it doesn’t matter if he never wins a ring a long as he is “the best ever” in your heart That’s cool.

But if the stats comparable - which they are -

and one is significantly better on defense- which one is -

one is 3 or more inches taller — which I guess is true but you can never really trust nba heights

One is in better shape - which will change next year I’m sure

I’m saying in my opinion if ONE wins a ring and the other doesn’t...that will be the determining factor who is better. The one that wins first will be in the lead.

Being the best player on a team and Winning ring in the nba matters because a single player can have significant impact on both sides of the ball. It’s the deciding factor when comparing to equally talentEd players in my opinion...thus Kobe and tmac

[Bob8]

It's a team sport. How difficult is that to understand? This "RINGS MATTER" argument with zero context continues to be the stupidest one. Based on your logic, Tatum > Giannis & Jokic, and Rip Hamilton was also the best SG in the league in 2004.

Ok so I thought we were talking Luka and Tatum....I brought up tmac and Kobe because they were considered close comps just like Luka and Tatum and said winning a ring would be the ultimate Trump card. No one said Tatum is Giannis or Jokic - but Luka so far away from being on their level as well that it doesn’t matter...those two in a league that Luka and Tatum ain’t in- the 2 mvp league that includes exactly 13 other guys all time plus they coming into their prime...Luka and Tatum got years to go before the peak but I’m not comparing the kids to the MVPs.

Look if y’all just here to cheer on your boy and it doesn’t matter if he never wins a ring a long as he is “the best ever” in your heart That’s cool.

But if the stats comparable - which they are -

and one is significantly better on defense- which one is -

one is 3 or more inches taller — which I guess is true but you can never really trust nba heights

One is in better shape - which will change next year I’m sure

I’m saying in my opinion if ONE wins a ring and the other doesn’t...that will be the determining factor who is better. The one that wins first will be in the lead.

Being the best player on a team and Winning ring in the nba matters because a single player can have significant impact on both sides of the ball. It’s the deciding factor when comparing to equally talentEd players in my opinion...thus Kobe and tmac

Problem is that stats are not comparable. One is much better than other. 26.3/6.6/6.1; 1.2 steals; 4.2 TO vs. 31.7/9.8/6.4; 1.8 steals, 3.9 TO. Only 2022 playoffs. If we look at career playoffs numbers, difference is much bigger.

[CobraCommander]

It's a team sport. How difficult is that to understand? This "RINGS MATTER" argument with zero context continues to be the stupidest one. Based on your logic, Tatum > Giannis & Jokic, and Rip Hamilton was also the best SG in the league in 2004.

Ok so I thought we were talking Luka and Tatum....I brought up tmac and Kobe because they were considered close comps just like Luka and Tatum and said winning a ring would be the ultimate Trump card. No one said Tatum is Giannis or Jokic - but Luka so far away from being on their level as well that it doesn’t matter...those two in a league that Luka and Tatum ain’t in- the 2 mvp league that includes exactly 13 other guys all time plus they coming into their prime...Luka and Tatum got years to go before the peak but I’m not comparing the kids to the MVPs.

Look if y’all just here to cheer on your boy and it doesn’t matter if he never wins a ring a long as he is “the best ever” in your heart That’s cool.

But if the stats comparable - which they are -

and one is significantly better on defense- which one is -

one is 3 or more inches taller — which I guess is true but you can never really trust nba heights

One is in better shape - which will change next year I’m sure

I’m saying in my opinion if ONE wins a ring and the other doesn’t...that will be the determining factor who is better. The one that wins first will be in the lead.

Being the best player on a team and Winning ring in the nba matters because a single player can have significant impact on both sides of the ball. It’s the deciding factor when comparing to equally talentEd players in my opinion...thus Kobe and tmac

Problem is that stats are not comparable. One is much better than other. 26.3/6.6/6.1; 1.2 steals; 4.2 TO vs. 31.7/9.8/6.4; 1.8 steals, 3.9 TO. Only 2022 playoffs. If we look at career playoffs numbers, difference is much bigger.

You are being selective to back your guy and I hate Boston so I don’t know why I’m responding.

But anyway- So Luka only plays in the playoffs and on one side of the ball?

Tatums entire career stats or just this years stats?

The funny thing about certain Luka fans that’s weird is - when I said Since allNBA is a regular season stat that Trae should he ahead of Luka - people said traes defense sucks and gave stats…

I looked at the offense of Trae this year and he had clearly a better year on offense than Luka - Trae had a irrefutably better year on on offense than Luka. But I had to consider defense and I concede I get why someone would take Lukas reg season year over Trae’s. Plus when you couple the mavs defense rating and their standings - you could give Luka the nod oved Trae for all nba 1st team… I can respect the pick.

But now those same people not giving Tatum a nod because of his significantly better defense than Luka and his team being in the finals… and not even considering that maybe just maybe if Boston beats golden state and Tatum gets the FMVP that he is YES better than Luka ?

You guys move the goal post for your boy at will.

Winning and defense matters when discussing Trae and Luka BUT only offensive stats matters when discussing Tatum and Luka.

I like you bro but Officially GTFOH…

Read the other Luka fans or Mav fan post - they know it’s close… defense and winning and conditioning and coming in in shape matters

Luka knows this

[Bob8]

Ok so I thought we were talking Luka and Tatum....I brought up tmac and Kobe because they were considered close comps just like Luka and Tatum and said winning a ring would be the ultimate Trump card. No one said Tatum is Giannis or Jokic - but Luka so far away from being on their level as well that it doesn’t matter...those two in a league that Luka and Tatum ain’t in- the 2 mvp league that includes exactly 13 other guys all time plus they coming into their prime...Luka and Tatum got years to go before the peak but I’m not comparing the kids to the MVPs.

Look if y’all just here to cheer on your boy and it doesn’t matter if he never wins a ring a long as he is “the best ever” in your heart That’s cool.

But if the stats comparable - which they are -

and one is significantly better on defense- which one is -

one is 3 or more inches taller — which I guess is true but you can never really trust nba heights

One is in better shape - which will change next year I’m sure

I’m saying in my opinion if ONE wins a ring and the other doesn’t...that will be the determining factor who is better. The one that wins first will be in the lead.

Being the best player on a team and Winning ring in the nba matters because a single player can have significant impact on both sides of the ball. It’s the deciding factor when comparing to equally talentEd players in my opinion...thus Kobe and tmac

Problem is that stats are not comparable. One is much better than other. 26.3/6.6/6.1; 1.2 steals; 4.2 TO vs. 31.7/9.8/6.4; 1.8 steals, 3.9 TO. Only 2022 playoffs. If we look at career playoffs numbers, difference is much bigger.

You are being selective to back your guy and I hate Boston so I don’t know why I’m responding.

But anyway- So Luka only plays in the playoffs and on one side of the ball?

Tatums entire career stats or just this years stats?

The funny thing about certain Luka fans that’s weird is - when I said Since allNBA is a regular season stat that Trae should he ahead of Luka - people said traes defense sucks and gave stats…

I looked at the offense of Trae this year and he had clearly a better year on offense than Luka - Trae had a irrefutably better year on on offense than Luka. But I had to consider defense and I concede I get why someone would take Lukas reg season year over Trae’s. Plus when you couple the mavs defense rating and their standings - you could give Luka the nod oved Trae for all nba 1st team… I can respect the pick.

But now those same people not giving Tatum a nod because of his significantly better defense than Luka and his team being in the finals… and not even considering that maybe just maybe if Boston beats golden state and Tatum gets the FMVP that he is YES better than Luka ?

You guys move the goal post for your boy at will.

Winning and defense matters when discussing Trae and Luka BUT only offensive stats matters when discussing Tatum and Luka.

I like you bro but Officially GTFOH…

Read the other Luka fans or Mav fan post - they know it’s close… defense and winning and conditioning and coming in in shape matters

Luka knows this

You're talking how only rings matter, but you want to talk about RS? Only playoffs matter, so my numbers are from this year's playoffs. We can talk about theirs career playoffs numbers, but the difference there's so big that we can't even have a discussion.

If I remember correctly, Trae had more TOs than FGs in playoffs. I don't believe that I have ever seen a star playing worse in playoffs.

Maybe you should look at poll results, it doesn't look close.

[CobraCommander]

Problem is that stats are not comparable. One is much better than other. 26.3/6.6/6.1; 1.2 steals; 4.2 TO vs. 31.7/9.8/6.4; 1.8 steals, 3.9 TO. Only 2022 playoffs. If we look at career playoffs numbers, difference is much bigger.

You are being selective to back your guy and I hate Boston so I don’t know why I’m responding.

But anyway- So Luka only plays in the playoffs and on one side of the ball?

Tatums entire career stats or just this years stats?

The funny thing about certain Luka fans that’s weird is - when I said Since allNBA is a regular season stat that Trae should he ahead of Luka - people said traes defense sucks and gave stats…

I looked at the offense of Trae this year and he had clearly a better year on offense than Luka - Trae had a irrefutably better year on on offense than Luka. But I had to consider defense and I concede I get why someone would take Lukas reg season year over Trae’s. Plus when you couple the mavs defense rating and their standings - you could give Luka the nod oved Trae for all nba 1st team… I can respect the pick.

But now those same people not giving Tatum a nod because of his significantly better defense than Luka and his team being in the finals… and not even considering that maybe just maybe if Boston beats golden state and Tatum gets the FMVP that he is YES better than Luka ?

You guys move the goal post for your boy at will.

Winning and defense matters when discussing Trae and Luka BUT only offensive stats matters when discussing Tatum and Luka.

I like you bro but Officially GTFOH…

Read the other Luka fans or Mav fan post - they know it’s close… defense and winning and conditioning and coming in in shape matters

Luka knows this

You're talking how only rings matter, but you want to talk about RS? Only playoffs matter, so my numbers are from this year's playoffs. We can talk about theirs career playoffs numbers, but the difference there's so big that we can't even have a discussion.

If I remember correctly, Trae had more TOs than FGs in playoffs. I don't believe that I have ever seen a star playing worse in playoffs.

Maybe you should look at poll results, it doesn't look close.

I disagree with the poll clearly lol -

I ain’t touching Trae in the playoffs- but the allNBA was a reg season award…

I’m saying I believe allNBA 1st team tatum is close to allnba first team Luka and that Tatums defense is better, tatums offense game over game is close enough when you compare usage cause Tatum doesn’t take 21-22 shots a game.

I’m still not saying Tatum is prohibitively better than Luka /

I’m saying IF Tatum wins a ring he will take the lead to me because he will be one of the primary reasons why the Celtics put up a banner.

Next year Luka could come in shape and legitimately win a ring and change everything. People - Dallas was in the final 4. Luka has a team that can win a ring if Tatum does…

Luka and Tatum are both so young and so good that it’s good to be a Celtics fan.

Tatum is a 6’10” a Kobe acolyte…. Tatum is closer to Giannis or shaqs or KDs height than Kobe and in todays small nba can guard 5 positions.

Btw I’m not hating on Luka to promote tatum. I just think it’s insane that some people would rather have potentially a hardensq player over a potential a 6’10 kobe like player…

[mpoo_sin]

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Next year Luka could come in shape and legitimately win a ring and change everything. People - Dallas was in the final 4. Luka has a team that can win a ring if Tatum does…

Luka and Tatum are both so young and so good that it’s good to be a Celtics fan.

Tatum is a 6’10” a Kobe acolyte…. Tatum is closer to Giannis or shaqs or KDs height than Kobe and in todays small nba can guard 5 positions.

Btw I’m not hating on Luka to promote tatum. I just think it’s insane that some people would rather have potentially a hardensq player over a potential a 6’10 kobe like player…

More like a 6'8 Lebron/Magic type of player over a 6'10 kobe like player.

We are talking about a potential top3 player of all time over a potential top10 player of all time.

[CobraCommander]

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Next year Luka could come in shape and legitimately win a ring and change everything. People - Dallas was in the final 4. Luka has a team that can win a ring if Tatum does…

Luka and Tatum are both so young and so good that it’s good to be a Celtics fan.

Tatum is a 6’10” a Kobe acolyte…. Tatum is closer to Giannis or shaqs or KDs height than Kobe and in todays small nba can guard 5 positions.

Btw I’m not hating on Luka to promote tatum. I just think it’s insane that some people would rather have potentially a hardensq player over a potential a 6’10 kobe like player…

More like a 6'8 Lebron/Magic type of player over a 6'10 kobe like player.

We are talking about a potential top3 player of all time over a potential top10 player of all time.

It’s early but I don’t see Luka or Tatum top 10.... who they kicking out when.Giannis and Jokic looking to kick guys out....

[Stromile12]

I would rather have a guy who's going to go down swinging at least attempting to get his team back in it. Tatum gets into hot potatoe mode. If the shot isn't falling, try something else, don't just go MIA, if u have a mismatch on you, get to the bucket.

[DroseReturnChi]

I'm guessing the 30% are hardcore tatum/Celtics stans because Luka is a good tier or two above chuckum.

At least trae was entertaining. Kind of surprised hes actually viewed top 5 which is crazy for poor track record. I would love coach player poll but hey he won 1st team. I dont want him to fail but he needs to prove some thing. Winning a fmvp would be a start to claim hes as clutch. Would be glad he surpasses doncic bc he actually has giannis archetype but he is similar to lavine wont figure out.

[tsherkin]

Luka doesn't only have great scoring average, he's efficient too. There's no reason why he should attempt less shots.

He's been fairly tepid in the regular season. 104, 103 and 101 TS+ the past few seasons, at 58.5%, 58.7% and 57.1%. Of course, only a few years ago, those would have been good averages. That's Lebron's career TS%, give or take. And when you consider that he maintains it into the playoffs with like 40% usage, well, we start to see what's going on. He puts a cap on ceiling for team offensive efficiency like that, but he also hasn't been working with staggering offensive talent which has made it a good call to get him shooting less and off-ball more.

Should be interesting to see how his career evolves.

I believe it's better to look at Luka's eFG%, because his TS% is dragged down by FT%.

Steph career playoffs eFG% 0.558; Luka's playoffs eFG% 0.546. Very close, considering that Steph is elite shooter and Luka averaging a lot more points.

Including his weakness at the line is relevant. Ignoring it isnt really a sensible move.

[Bob8]

He's been fairly tepid in the regular season. 104, 103 and 101 TS+ the past few seasons, at 58.5%, 58.7% and 57.1%. Of course, only a few years ago, those would have been good averages. That's Lebron's career TS%, give or take. And when you consider that he maintains it into the playoffs with like 40% usage, well, we start to see what's going on. He puts a cap on ceiling for team offensive efficiency like that, but he also hasn't been working with staggering offensive talent which has made it a good call to get him shooting less and off-ball more.

Should be interesting to see how his career evolves.

I believe it's better to look at Luka's eFG%, because his TS% is dragged down by FT%.

Steph career playoffs eFG% 0.558; Luka's playoffs eFG% 0.546. Very close, considering that Steph is elite shooter and Luka averaging a lot more points.

Including his weakness at the line is relevant. Ignoring it isnt really a sensible move.

I'm not ignoring anything, but if we debating about his playing style, shot selection...eFG% is more relevant.

FT% is easier to fix too, especially if we know that Luka was 80%+ FT shooter in Europe.

Bottom line is, Luka is only 23 years old, pretty good, and have some areas of his game that are relatively easy to be fix. His prime, if he only decides to work on his conditioning and FT shooting,( he can be better in shot selection and 3 pts% too), will be scary for the rest of the league. Talking about him like he's already finished product is totally wrong. Especially those Harden and Melo comparisons.

[jfs1000d]

It depends how we evaluate playmaking. Doncic has the ball in his hands so much and is a barest passer and dribbler.

Tatum is more of a shooter/scorer.

Tatum’s defense is light years better than Lukas.


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[Bob8]

It depends how we evaluate playmaking. Doncic has the ball in his hands so much and is a barest passer and dribbler.

Tatum is more of a shooter/scorer.

Tatum’s defense is light years better than Lukas.


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If D is suddenly so important, why DPOY is getting 17 mio and only offensive players like Trae super max? Maybe offensive game is still valuable more?

[Texfjy]

Different take: Tatum can fit into almost any good team and make it better contender. Luka needs to have a specifically structured team to make it a real threat for the prize. His ball dominance doesn’t fit with a lot of good teams, and his poor defense needs to be covered up. That being said, Luca is a superior offensive force.

[Raonak]

Luka is the better offensive player and better playmaker, but you could argue that's due to ball dominance.
Tatum is the better defensive player.

I think overall Luka gets the nod based on how warriors have matched up. He really feels like an MVP level player.
I havent really found tatum's two games against us to be anything to write home about. feels like wiggins has clamped him good.

Also, Ja is better than both offensively, but worse than both defensively.

[tsirigoj]

Luka takes over games and has a much more impressive skillset. Defensively, Tatum, but overall, Luka by a hefty margin.

[Pelly24]

Luka is a great player but he is a ball hog on offense. Until he stops playing hero ball and starts committing to playing some defense and getting his teammates more involved they will never win a championship. If celtics win the nba title and Tatum wins finals mvp he has to be ahead of luka.

To be honest, if Luka were on the Celtics instead of Jayson, they'd unquestionably win the championship, easily. Their defense would take a hit, but Jaylen is a consistent No. 2 option Luka has never had, and Hrford and Smart are also better than anyone else on the mavericks. These guys are not similar levels as players. Luka is maybe the best playmaker in the league and is a much more resilient scorer. He's a better finisher, better ballhandler. Can slow a game down break you down anyw hich way. Tatum is top 10, but luka is in another tier.