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Ambrose · Post #1101 » by **Ambrose** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:47 pm

I'm still annoyed by Woj spewing the "scouts think he can be the best offensive and defensive player in the league within 3 years" line that was pure BSPN propaganda. Odds are extremely high Wemby never becomes the best offensive player in the league and I think people are expecting too much from him next season. He's special but he's still young, thin and raw.

Lockdown504090 · Post #1102 » by **Lockdown504090** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:51 pm

mike james elie okobo, donte hall, Montejunas.... this monaco run is much better than ncaa competition, damn.

Mirotic12 · Post #1103 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:55 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Some of these Euro star types wouldnt make it, like Scottie Wilbekin or Jordan Loyd and others, because they, like MIke James, excel as ball dominant first option guys, and in the NBA, they simply wouldnt have that role. But Mike James I feel is the one exception where he really has skill and athleticism to be a good gunner of the bench at least. Like Jordan Clarkson type.

They don't have that role in Europe either.

Mirotic12 · Post #1104 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:57 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Said this many times, but what a blunder that no one signed Kyle Kuric in his prime. Yes, hes just a role player, but that mavement without the ball and catch & shoot ability just translates, guy was best at what he does in Europe at least for sure, but I think he was on level with Korvers of the world.

Kuric wasn't the best in Europe at catch and shoot in his prime. Milaknis and Sakota were the best at that. Kuric was definitely a better all around player though.

_jin wrote:I don't know, I feel like if Mike James had the option to go back to the NBA he probably would. Sure he'd go from being the face of his league to a random bench guy but he'd still make more money than the €2M/y he's making at Monaco.

I'm a Mike James fan, but he's never ever been anything remotely close to being the face of EuroLeague. Never once, not even in the slightest tiny bit.

Since Mike James has been in EuroLeague plenty of guys have been bigger stars than him, like Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Micic, De Colo, Bogdanovic, Doncic, Teodosic, Rodriguez, Tavares, Llull, Vesely. That doesn't even mention guys like Mirotic, Sloukas, Vezenkov, Calathes, - guys that are overrated, but despite that are probably closer to being the face of the league than James ever was. And honestly, even just amongst American players, guys like Larkin, Higgins, Clyburn, Udoh, Hines, and such have been bigger stars in EuroLeague. Mike James has pretty much more or less basically been like the American version of Alexey Shved, in terms of his star status.

I personally prefer James as a player over some of these others, but the reality is that Mike James has never been even in the discussion for being the face of EuroLeague.

Castle Black · Post #1105 » by **Castle Black** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:41 pm

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UcanUwill · Post #1106 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:16 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:mike james elie okobo, donte hall, Montejunas.... this monaco run is much better than ncaa competition, damn.

Lol yeah, they were in Euroleague final 4 :lol:

Some had hopes for Arizona this year, and their PG is Kerr Kriisa... The level difference is bigger between Monaco and NCAA than Monaco and the NBA, seriously, I am not being hypocritical like certain other ones here.
Dont forget Jordan Lloyd is on Monaco, I dont know how John Brown the third was in the states long time ago, but he was like ROY in Euroleague in 2022 with like 3 steals per game average, which was crazy. Monaco team is stacked, as been mantioned, Mike James alone makes more dough than entire Metropolis team combine, the fact Metro is in the finals is a miracle.

UcanUwill · Post #1107 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:18 pm

Ambrose wrote:I'm still annoyed by Woj spewing the "scouts think he can be the best offensive and defensive player in the league within 3 years" line that was pure BSPN propaganda. Odds are extremely high Wemby never becomes the best offensive player in the league and I think people are expecting too much from him next season. He's special but he's still young, thin and raw.

He will never be best offensive player in the NBA, I am locking this hot take in. Defensively he can be best, offensively, if hes top 10, that will be amazing. No one is best on offense and defense, thats just straight BS.

Lockdown504090 · Post #1108 » by **Lockdown504090** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:23 am

UcanUwill wrote:
Ambrose wrote:I'm still annoyed by Woj spewing the "scouts think he can be the best offensive and defensive player in the league within 3 years" line that was pure BSPN propaganda. Odds are extremely high Wemby never becomes the best offensive player in the league and I think people are expecting too much from him next season. He's special but he's still young, thin and raw.

He will never be best offensive player in the NBA, I am locking this hot take in. Defensively he can be best, offensively, if hes top 10, that will be amazing. No one is best on offense and defense, thats just straight BS.

bron was close to it when marc gasol won dpoy, kawhi was close to it in 2017.

I think wemby can do it. hes the only 7 footer I can think of that took his body and his skill development this seriously at such a young age, like 14 years old, plus he has great genes, good work ethic, support system, development from the team and coaching. kp was at 23 ppg on bad efficency at 22. outside of shooting, wemby is better an everything else, and has all of the above things going for him to surpass him. i think He gets to being the best defender, and top 5 in a way offensively that we just havent thought of yet.

Pachinko_ · Post #1109 » by **Pachinko_** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:00 am

UcanUwill wrote:He will never be best offensive player in the NBA, I am locking this hot take in. Defensively he can be best, offensively, if hes top 10, that will be amazing.

I'm with you, it is physically incredibly demanding to do it at an elite level at both ends. I mean look at the guys who did: Olajuwon, MJ, Kawhi, Giannis, what do they have in common? Tremendous athleticism, strength, stamina.
Wemby is agile and lanky like KD, and just like KD he will (probably) have to choose to be great at one end and good at the other.
Unless of course he pulls a Giannis and comes back after a couple of summers looking like a beast

KdoubleDees23 · Post #1110 » by **KdoubleDees23** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:27 am

Bornstellar wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:How many 7 ft 4 bean poles have we seen stay healthy in the NBA?

I am calling wemby not being the best player from this draft

Wow man, what a totally unique and original take!

Serious question. How many ?

Post #1111 » by **TyCobb** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:45 am

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_jin · Post #1112 » by **_jin** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:46 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
_jin wrote:I don't know, I feel like if Mike James had the option to go back to the NBA he probably would. Sure he'd go from being the face of his league to a random bench guy but he'd still make more money than the €2M/y he's making at Monaco.

I'm a Mike James fan, but he's never ever been anything remotely close to being the face of EuroLeague. Never once, not even in the slightest tiny bit.

When I said face of his league I was talking about the LNB, not the Euroleague, he's far away from that title. Outside of Wemby he's the best player in the LNB and its highest paid player by far, the LNB literally named him as the reason why they're implementing a luxury tax.

_jin · Post #1113 » by **_jin** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:15 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:
Bornstellar wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:How many 7 ft 4 bean poles have we seen stay healthy in the NBA?

I am calling wemby not being the best player from this draft

Wow man, what a totally unique and original take!

Serious question. How many ?

If you want a serious answer, the sample size is kind of small. George Muresan and Yao Ming had their careers derailed by injuries. Mark Eaton, Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Shawn Bradley had some injuries but had fairly long careers (they were shorter at the time). Manute Bol had some major injuries but in the latter part of his career when he was mostly a sub and a mentor. Then you have those who aren't very good or even good enough to be in the league but have been healthy like Boban, Hasheem Thabeet or Tacko Fall. Also in Europe guys like Podkolzin, Slavko Vranes or Edy Tavares have been healthy most of their career. Overall this doesn't look bad for Wembanyama, especially since his body is different from other guys his size with his mobility and agility which make it such a unique prospect.

Bornstellar · Post #1114 » by **Bornstellar** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:42 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:
Bornstellar wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:How many 7 ft 4 bean poles have we seen stay healthy in the NBA?

I am calling wemby not being the best player from this draft

Wow man, what a totally unique and original take!

Serious question. How many ?

Serious question. How many have there even been? Not many. You using a small handful of guys to judge Wemby who is so different than all of the previous bigs his size in terms of skill and fluidity is just silly.

TheNG · Post #1115 » by **TheNG** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:37 pm

Hot take:

He will never reach the levels of peak Jokic or peak Luka offensively.

Pachinko_ · Post #1116 » by **Pachinko_** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 3:45 pm

TheNG wrote:Hot take:
He will never reach the levels of peak Jokic or peak Luka offensively.

And he doesn't have to because he's a way better defender than those guys

Upperclass · Post #1117 » by **Upperclass** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:27 pm

A 7'5 perimeter player will never be the best player in the NBA.. it just isnt happening. He wont be able to dribble and get to the rim at his size and he doesnt have the base of a Yao Ming to play at the rim without getting pushed out by stronger players. He will have to be an all-time great shooter like a KD to become anything close to what people think he will be. Its just extremely unlikely.

Defensively he will be fine at the rim.. but look how much a smaller Gobert struggles in space.. Wemby wont always be 185 pounds or whatever he is right now which will make it that much more difficult to defend with mobility. I think Scoot leaps him in trade value as soon as they both touch an NBA floor

Castle Black · Post #1118 » by **Castle Black** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:19 pm

Upperclass wrote:A 7'5 perimeter player will never be the best player in the NBA.. it just isnt happening. He wont be able to dribble and get to the rim at his size and he doesnt have the base of a Yao Ming to play at the rim without getting pushed out by stronger players. He will have to be an all-time great shooter like a KD to become anything close to what people think he will be. Its just extremely unlikely.

Defensively he will be fine at the rim.. but look how much a smaller Gobert struggles in space.. Wemby wont always be 185 pounds or whatever he is right now which will make it that much more difficult to defend with mobility. I think Scoot leaps him in trade value as soon as they both touch an NBA floor

185 lbs..?? Dude would be a literal skeleton right now if that were the case :lol:

. He’s listed at 230 lbs right now according to his team.

He’s also not going to play like a guard at the next level. I mean there may be times where he goes iso and uses some of those guard-like abilities, or where he rebounds the ball and pushes it up himself like Jokic does, but that won’t be his primary use. He’s going to be used like a typical big man in PnR’s and PnP’s and what not. He’s a very good and unselfish passer already so they will likely try using him as a Point-Forward the way Denver uses Joker. The Spurs will move him around and try different things to see where he excels. Shouldn’t be an issue tbh.

Castle Black · Post #1119 » by **Castle Black** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:23 pm

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Bornstellar · Post #1120 » by **Bornstellar** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 9:42 pm

TheNG wrote:Hot take:
He will never reach the levels of peak Jokic or peak Luka offensively.

This is a pretty lukewarm take considering those guys are like the top two offensive players in the NBA currently. So saying Wemby won't be the best or second best offensive player in the league isn't really a hot take. But he will be far and away more impactful on the defensive end than they could ever hope of being.