Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

Post #1121 » by **corona** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:02 am

if he meant it, he'd stay in denver, or not sign an extension with anyone and walk to the heat/lakers this summer for whatever exception the new cba allows.

everyone always says that, but nobody ever actually follows through.

bruddahmanmatt · Post #1122 » by **bruddahmanmatt** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:03 am

Knicks1214 wrote:@bruddahmanmatt -
Ultimately, Anthony said playing for a winner is more important than money.

"That gold ball is what everybody wants," he said of the NBA Finals championship trophy.

He also said that...winner>money.

You can't really say "winner>money" when he's made BOTH statements and they conflict with one another. All that means is that both winning AND money are important to Carmelo so it's more like "winner=money". The thing is, based on what I've seen over the years, winning is most important thing to most player AFTER the money has already been secured. Melo wants both, to win and to get paid, but if his feet were held to the fire, he'd almost certainly crack just like pretty much everyone and take the cash. The next CBA is a huge uncertainty and it sounds like it's one that's big enough to push Melo into signing for a team he doesn't really wanna play for. If he does in fact extend with the Nets, you can officially change your answer to "money>winner". In fact the only way that you could really say "winner>money" with regards to Melo is if he elected to sign an extension with Denver since they arguably have the best team amongst all three franchises (Nuggets, Knicks and Nets) at the moment.

HeyJoe · Post #1123 » by **HeyJoe** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:06 am

Knicks1214 wrote:
Lol I know...but when you think of NY, you think of the Knicks, not the to be Brooklyn Nets. It's like saying the New York Giants/Jets vs the Buffalo Bills...nobody considers the Bills a "NY" team (which is ironic because they are the only NY football team that actually plays in NY ).

no when YOU think of NY, you think the knicks. melo was born in brooklyn, that's his NY.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1124 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:16 am

bruddahmanmatt wrote:
Knicks1214 wrote:@bruddahmanmatt -
Ultimately, Anthony said playing for a winner is more important than money.

"That gold ball is what everybody wants," he said of the NBA Finals championship trophy.

He also said that...winner>money.

You can't really say "winner>money" when he's made BOTH statements and they conflict with one another. All that means is that both winning AND money are important to Carmelo so it's more like "winner=money". The thing is, based on what I've seen over the years, winning is most important thing to most player AFTER the money has already been secured. Melo wants both, to win and to get paid, but if his feet were held to the fire, he'd almost certainly crack just like pretty much everyone and take the cash. The next CBA is a huge uncertainty and it sounds like it's one that's big enough to push Melo into signing for a team he doesn't really wanna play for. If he does in fact extend with the Nets, you can officially change your answer to "money>winner". In fact the only way that you could really say "winner>money" with regards to Melo is if he elected to sign an extension with Denver since they arguably have the best team amongst all three franchises (Nuggets, Knicks and Nets) at the moment.

I know...but you said it seems that money is the most important. He has two contradicting sentences so they are the same. I don't think he would give up winning for money though. I don't think he believes that money>winning. He wants to win in NY, not Denver.

HeyJoe wrote:
Knicks1214 wrote:
Lol I know...but when you think of NY, you think of the Knicks, not the to be Brooklyn Nets. It's like saying the New York Giants/Jets vs the Buffalo Bills...nobody considers the Bills a "NY" team (which is ironic because they are the only NY football team that actually plays in NY ).

no when YOU think of NY, you think the knicks. melo was born in brooklyn, that's his NY.

Please dude...nobody thinks of Brooklyn lol. Ask anyone from around the country if they think of Times Square or Brooklyn, and they'll say TImes Square...MSG or Barclays, it's MSG. The Knicks have history in NY, and also around the world. People think of the actual city (not crapping on Brooklyn btw). The Nets have the few fans in NJ...Bill Simmons had it right when he wrote about it in his article on why Melo should go to the Clippers. You should read it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ortCat=nba

jeff1624 · Post #1125 » by **jeff1624** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:25 am

Misleading wiretap for the win.. Knicksgod at least TRY to hide the homerism.

HeyJoe · Post #1126 » by **HeyJoe** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:46 am

Knicks1214 wrote:Please dude...nobody thinks of Brooklyn lol. Ask anyone from around the country if they think of Times Square or Brooklyn, and they'll say TImes Square...MSG or Barclays, it's MSG. The Knicks have history in NY, and also around the world. People think of the actual city (not crapping on Brooklyn btw). The Nets have the few fans in NJ...Bill Simmons had it right when he wrote about it in his article on why Melo should go to the Clippers. You should read it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ortCat=nba

you keep saying people, or everybody, but we're talking melo here. no **** when everybody says new york, they mean new york. but he was BORN in brooklyn, NY. and he's been in denver for a decade. when he says he's going back to NY, he's not choosing NYC over brooklyn.

J Smitty · Post #1127 » by **J Smitty** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:48 am

Knicks1214 wrote:Please dude...nobody thinks of Brooklyn lol. Ask anyone from around the country if they think of Times Square or Brooklyn, and they'll say TImes Square...MSG or Barclays, it's MSG. The Knicks have history in NY, and also around the world. People think of the actual city (not crapping on Brooklyn btw). The Nets have the few fans in NJ...Bill Simmons had it right when he wrote about it in his article on why Melo should go to the Clippers. You should read it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ortCat=nba

Again, that's what other people see. But somebody born in Brooklyn, they think of Brooklyn as home.

Melo's comment:

"I see what the future holds, they'll move into Brooklyn. ... Me going back home to Brooklyn, opening that arena, I think about all that stuff."

You combine that with his comments about Chauncey, how he sees how Chauncey is so loved by the Denver community from which he was born, etc etc. Maybe Melo wants that. In Manhattan with the Knicks, he is just another star in a city of many stars. In Brooklyn, he'd be THE star...their hometown hero.

He could take that new Brooklyn franchise, in the new arena, and build his legacy there. If he cares so much about going back to the east coast and playing where he is from, that sounds a lot more appealing to me(going to Brooklyn and creating a legacy), than just being the next big name to sign with a New York team.

But hey, who knows what he wants.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1128 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:57 am

@Joe, he was born there...he wants to win in NY; that will not happen in Brooklyn because they are a long way away from being a championship contender. He wants to be recognized nation-wide? Going to Brooklyn will not do that...

I was born in the city and lived there for 9 years but then moved to the suburbs and lived there for 9 years before going to college; once I moved, I never called the city my "home."

I'm done arguing about Melo. I think he ends up with the Knicks, but that's just me.

Blackmun · Post #1129 » by **Blackmun** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:05 am

Knicks1214 wrote:He also said that...winner>money.

Him saying it doesn't mean it' true though. He kinda has to say that to make Denver think he is actually willing to hold out for free agency.

dookieguy · Post #1130 » by **dookieguy** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:27 am

He should go to the NETS. He'll make a greater legacy as the Brooklyn guy and be more popular in that area. You gotta trust a man with a fat wallet too, so ultimately, I think the trade to NJ will benefit him more (plus, he won't screw Denver over and he'll have financial security with the extension)

HeyJoe · Post #1131 » by **HeyJoe** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:20 am

Knicks1214 wrote:
I'm done arguing about Melo. I think he ends up with the Knicks, but that's just me.

but that's this thread's sole purpose.

truth serum · Post #1132 » by **truth serum** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:21 am

J Smitty wrote:
Knicks1214 wrote:Please dude...nobody thinks of Brooklyn lol. Ask anyone from around the country if they think of Times Square or Brooklyn, and they'll say TImes Square...MSG or Barclays, it's MSG. The Knicks have history in NY, and also around the world. People think of the actual city (not crapping on Brooklyn btw). The Nets have the few fans in NJ...Bill Simmons had it right when he wrote about it in his article on why Melo should go to the Clippers. You should read it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ortCat=nba

Again, that's what other people see. But somebody born in Brooklyn, they think of Brooklyn as home.

Melo's comment:

"I see what the future holds, they'll move into Brooklyn. ... Me going back home to Brooklyn, opening that arena, I think about all that stuff."

You combine that with his comments about Chauncey, how he sees how Chauncey is so loved by the Denver community from which he was born, etc etc. Maybe Melo wants that. In Manhattan with the Knicks, he is just another star in a city of many stars. In Brooklyn, he'd be THE star...their hometown hero.

He could take that new Brooklyn franchise, in the new arena, and build his legacy there. If he cares so much about going back to the east coast and playing where he is from, that sounds a lot more appealing to me(going to Brooklyn and creating a legacy), than just being the next big name to sign with a New York team.

But hey, who knows what he wants.

He'll be 30 by the time that arena opens. I really don't see him building much of a legacy there besides being the best player on Brooklyn's first team. Pretty cool. As cool as winning titles for the Knicks with Amar'e?? Hell to the no. Not even as cool as being in the playoffs every year in the Garden. I Don't expect people who aren't from NY to fully grasp this though. Luckily Melo is from NY and the hope is that it's his #1 motivation. Of course he wants his money, but I don't think the extra dough will be worth the severe regret he'll have to live with if an experiment with NJ/BK fails which it likely will...especially for a guy who is already a multi-millionaire, and especially for a guy who can join a Knick team that will be instant contenders with him on it. C'mon now Melo!

truth serum · Post #1133 » by **truth serum** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:28 am

^Also....you're talking about being a hometown hero for all the Brooklyn Nets fans?? There are barely any Nets fans to begin with. Now I don't doubt that some fickle Knicks fans may jump ship, and I'm sure some young kids in Brooklyn who haven't developed a love for the game yet will become fans too. And of course all the New Jersey people who rep the Nets will love him (sans those who are pissed they're leaving NJ in the first place). But to act like he'll be some sort of "hometown hero" is absurd. As a business, the Nets will no doubt be more successful in BK than they have been in NJ, but it's still an experiment and a team with a very small (bordering on nonexistent) fan base. Most of all, don't underestimate the presence of the Knicks franchise in NY, especially now that they're on the up and up. Melo will live in Amar'e's shadow for the rest of his career as a Net. You can write that down.

J Smitty · Post #1134 » by **J Smitty** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:50 am

After actually watching the interview, instead of just reading the quotes...they really made that "It's the ultimate dream" comment about New York sound a lot different than how it sounded in reality.

She was asking him about Brooklyn and the Nets moving there. Then asked about how important it would be for him to move his family back to where they're from. He said it would be the ultimate dream to go back and play in the city from which he is from...not to specifically to play for the Knicks. If anything that would be more in reference to Brooklyn, New York...where he is actually from.

Post #1135 » by **The Rebel** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:13 pm

truth serum wrote:
J Smitty wrote:
Again, that's what other people see. But somebody born in Brooklyn, they think of Brooklyn as home.

Melo's comment:

"I see what the future holds, they'll move into Brooklyn. ... Me going back home to Brooklyn, opening that arena, I think about all that stuff."

You combine that with his comments about Chauncey, how he sees how Chauncey is so loved by the Denver community from which he was born, etc etc. Maybe Melo wants that. In Manhattan with the Knicks, he is just another star in a city of many stars. In Brooklyn, he'd be THE star...their hometown hero.

He could take that new Brooklyn franchise, in the new arena, and build his legacy there. If he cares so much about going back to the east coast and playing where he is from, that sounds a lot more appealing to me(going to Brooklyn and creating a legacy), than just being the next big name to sign with a New York team.

But hey, who knows what he wants.

He'll be 30 by the time that arena opens. I really don't see him building much of a legacy there besides being the best player on Brooklyn's first team. Pretty cool. As cool as winning titles for the Knicks with Amar'e?? Hell to the no. Not even as cool as being in the playoffs every year in the Garden. I Don't expect people who aren't from NY to fully grasp this though. Luckily Melo is from NY and the hope is that it's his #1 motivation. Of course he wants his money, but I don't think the extra dough will be worth the severe regret he'll have to live with if an experiment with NJ/BK fails which it likely will...especially for a guy who is already a multi-millionaire, and especially for a guy who can join a Knick team that will be instant contenders with him on it. C'mon now Melo!

30? For an arena that is supposed to be completed in 14 months? Are you really saying that it is going to take almost triple the time to build the arena, then all the experts and all the contracts are saying? I know you guys are stretching, but at least use something real for your discussion.

As for winning titles with Amare, your team even with Melo is going to struggle to beat the Heat, especially while Amare is already seeming to wear down from the minutes. Not to mention the wear and tear he is putting on his knee which has had microfracture which is seen as a temporary solution.

JoseRizal · Post #1136 » by **JoseRizal** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:40 pm

^^ Those knees are worth $100M... :nonono:

knicks33and49 · Post #1137 » by **knicks33and49** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:20 pm

A lot of you guys sound pretty clueless. People from Brooklyn like the knicks, the knicks are NYC's team, their not going to start liking the nets because they suddenly moved there. Even people in Jersey like the knicks, the nets really don't have a fan base. If anything people from Brooklyn are going to be pissed that Melo didn't go to the knicks, they aren't going to embrace his homecoming if he's wearing a net jersey.

Post #1138 » by **corona** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:04 pm

http://twitter.com/carmeloanthony
Born in Brooklyn, Manufactured in Bmore. Point blank period

Jordan45822 · Post #1139 » by **Jordan45822** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:15 pm

How can Denver already talk trades about Devin Harris and Detroit talk trades about Troy Murphy without a deal completed?

HeyJoe · Post #1140 » by **HeyJoe** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:34 pm

knicks33and49 wrote:A lot of you guys sound pretty clueless. People from Brooklyn like the knicks, the knicks are NYC's team, their not going to start liking the nets because they suddenly moved there. Even people in Jersey like the knicks, the nets really don't have a fan base. If anything people from Brooklyn are going to be pissed that Melo didn't go to the knicks, they aren't going to embrace his homecoming if he's wearing a net jersey.

your argument dissects to

ppl like this team because of geography
but ppl won't like this other team because of the same geography, but even closer