Rookie impressions thread: PRESEASON/REGULAR SEASON

Post #1121 » by **SOUL** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:15 pm

I didn't like the Porter pick at the time and I sure as hell don't like it now.

dautjazz · Post #1122 » by **dautjazz** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:51 pm

Oladipo is barely shooting better from the field at .406, and he's a far inferior 3pt and ft shooter. Per minute, Burke is a better scorer, rebounder, and at assists. Only advantage for Oladipo is defense.

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JGib23 · Post #1123 » by **JGib23** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:56 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zhiy8fpv_g

Just Plain Mark · Post #1124 » by **Just Plain Mark** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:36 pm

dautjazz wrote:Oladipo is barely shooting better from the field at .406, and he's a far inferior 3pt and ft shooter. Per minute, Burke is a better scorer, rebounder, and at assists. Only advantage for Oladipo is defense.

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I never claimed Dipo was shooting much better, I just pointed out that your statement of Burke's shooting woes was a vast understatement. Additionally, not sure how you can say that Burke is a better rebounder(dipo is avg almost 1 more rebound per game in only 3 more minutes per game) or scorer (Burke is shooting worse on more shots and gets to the FT line half as much as Dipo). Finally, as for assists, Burke is certainly better at the moment but he's also a natural PG starting at PG whereas Dipo is a SG who is getting some time at PG for the first time in his career. All in all, I don't think there's much to show that Burke is a better player or more likely ROY candidate than Oladipo or MCW.

dautjazz · Post #1125 » by **dautjazz** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:29 pm

Just Plain Mark wrote:
dautjazz wrote:Oladipo is barely shooting better from the field at .406, and he's a far inferior 3pt and ft shooter. Per minute, Burke is a better scorer, rebounder, and at assists. Only advantage for Oladipo is defense.

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I never claimed Dipo was shooting much better, I just pointed out that your statement of Burke's shooting woes was a vast understatement. Additionally, not sure how you can say that Burke is a better rebounder(dipo is avg almost 1 more rebound per game in only 3 more minutes per game) or scorer (Burke is shooting worse on more shots and gets to the FT line half as much as Dipo). Finally, as for assists, Burke is certainly better at the moment but he's also a natural PG starting at PG whereas Dipo is a SG who is getting some time at PG for the first time in his career. All in all, I don't think there's much to show that Burke is a better player or more likely ROY candidate than Oladipo or MCW.

Oops, my eyes must be playing tricks on me. PER36 it's 5.3 vs 4.7. Either way, 4.7 is great for a PG, for a 6'1" PG, it's incredible. That said, it doesn't really matter in the end, ROY will go to as long MCW doesn't miss more than 20 or so games, and I wouldn't be shocked if he won it missing 30 games, the gap right now is just huge, but I expect Oladipo and Burke to close the gap. It's practically a wash between Oladipo and Burke, but I do believe Burke has a slight advantage as of now for ROY (if we take MCW out of the picture).

dautjazz · Post #1126 » by **dautjazz** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:30 pm

JGib23 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zhiy8fpv_g

Nice move.

InFlames · Post #1127 » by **InFlames** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:47 pm

dautjazz wrote:
Just Plain Mark wrote:
dautjazz wrote:Oladipo is barely shooting better from the field at .406, and he's a far inferior 3pt and ft shooter. Per minute, Burke is a better scorer, rebounder, and at assists. Only advantage for Oladipo is defense.

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I never claimed Dipo was shooting much better, I just pointed out that your statement of Burke's shooting woes was a vast understatement. Additionally, not sure how you can say that Burke is a better rebounder(dipo is avg almost 1 more rebound per game in only 3 more minutes per game) or scorer (Burke is shooting worse on more shots and gets to the FT line half as much as Dipo). Finally, as for assists, Burke is certainly better at the moment but he's also a natural PG starting at PG whereas Dipo is a SG who is getting some time at PG for the first time in his career. All in all, I don't think there's much to show that Burke is a better player or more likely ROY candidate than Oladipo or MCW.

Oops, my eyes must be playing tricks on me. PER36 it's 5.3 vs 4.7. Either way, 4.7 is great for a PG, for a 6'1" PG, it's incredible. That said, it doesn't really matter in the end, ROY will go to as long MCW doesn't miss more than 20 or so games, and I wouldn't be shocked if he won it missing 30 games, the gap right now is just huge, but I expect Oladipo and Burke to close the gap. It's practically a wash between Oladipo and Burke, but I do believe Burke has a slight advantage as of now for ROY (if we take MCW out of the picture).

Burke has been impressive but Oladipo has been better. Dipo's defense widens the gap by quite a bit imo, he is a nightmare on the defensive end. He gets steals and is a good shot blocker as well as being a good man to man defender. It is possible that Burke could pass Oladipo since he is in the perfect situation to do so while Oladipo defers to Afflalo and the supermassive black hole BBD later in the game.

KillMonger · Post #1128 » by **KillMonger** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:00 pm

MCW and Burke are in great positions, They got the keys and are driving the Ferrari whenever they want. Oladipo is renting his at the moment. Dipo isn't really being utilized in the best way, i watched all the games so take it from an Orlando fan when Dipo doesn't have the ball in his hands Coach Vaughn has him ball-watching. Would love to see some off-ball stuff from him like he did so well at Indiana but i guess our coach wants our number 2 pick to defer to the veterans.

H2tObes · Post #1129 » by **H2tObes** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:23 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:
H2tObes wrote:The 19 year old Atentokounmpo is probably the Bucks best player.

He's not our best player, but he has great potential and should be getting more minutes. Henson is probably the best all-around player. He has his bad games (SA), but he has some great games as well. Like the game against Chicago. I like the Bucks young front line. However, the backcourt is the worst in the league.

He very well may be, give him the minutes Henson sees and he's probably more productive imo. Everytime he's on the court we seem to play better. What I love about him the most is how good he is at running the break, he can either take it up with his nice handles or race down the court then catch a lob over every defender for a sick dunk.

Henson is really nice but he has a long way to go on the defensive side of the ball. I think he's a big negative there right now, while Giannis already is an average defender due to his quickness + length. He obviously looks lost on defense at times, but he's 19 so that's expected.

Any way you put it Middleton/Henson/Giannis have been the only good things to come out of the Bucks this year. Wolters has also played well.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1130 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:00 am

Man is this rookie class bad

dautjazz · Post #1131 » by **dautjazz** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:13 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Man is this rookie class bad

4 of the top 10 have been hurt, I'd reserve judgement till a later date. MCW looks like a All-Star in the very near future, and I could definitely see Burke and Oladipo becoming All-Stars in the future. Then there are a lot of other players that are looking solid already like Adams, Plumlee, Hardaway, Gobert, among others, and there a few that look promising at moments.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1132 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:16 am

dautjazz wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Man is this rookie class bad

4 of the top 10 have been hurt, I'd reserve judgement till a later date. MCW looks like a All-Star in the very near future, and I could definitely see Burke and Oladipo becoming All-Stars in the future. Then there are a lot of other players that are looking solid already like Adams, Plumlee, Hardaway, Gobert, among others, and there a few that look promising at moments.

Im obviously talking about right now. No rookie other than MCW has really made themselves relevant, although Burke is on his way up. My man Zeller is slowly inching his way up..

Anthony Bennett though... Whew has he been bad

Edit: Oladipos triple double was dynamite.

Johnlac1 · Post #1133 » by **Johnlac1** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:34 pm

H2tObes wrote:
Johnlac1 wrote:
H2tObes wrote:The 19 year old Atentokounmpo is probably the Bucks best player.

He's not our best player, but he has great potential and should be getting more minutes. Henson is probably the best all-around player. He has his bad games (SA), but he has some great games as well. Like the game against Chicago. I like the Bucks young front line. However, the backcourt is the worst in the league.

He very well may be, give him the minutes Henson sees and he's probably more productive imo. Everytime he's on the court we seem to play better. What I love about him the most is how good he is at running the break, he can either take it up with his nice handles or race down the court then catch a lob over every defender for a sick dunk.

Henson is really nice but he has a long way to go on the defensive side of the ball. I think he's a big negative there right now, while Giannis already is an average defender due to his quickness + length. He obviously looks lost on defense at times, but he's 19 so that's expected.

Any way you put it Middleton/Henson/Giannis have been the only good things to come out of the Bucks this year. Wolters has also played well.

Wolters has played better than I expected. His future is difficult to forecast. He styles his game like Nash, but obviously not in Nash's class. However, Nash's first four seasons in the league were pretty ordinary or not even that. Wolters will have to jump a level to be a good player. While slower than the average guard, he's a better athlete than you think.

Hans Embiid · Post #1134 » by **Hans Embiid** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:43 pm

I think Trey Burke will make a case as the best player of this draft in about 2 years.

See him becoming an Allstar.

tranjSAIC · Post #1135 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:58 pm

THE GOAT ROSE wrote:I think Trey Burke will make a case as the best player of this draft in about 2 years.

See him becoming an Allstar.

If that happens, then you can write up any sig for me and I will rock it for a lifetime. No way in hell will he be the best player from this draft. Maybe if he was taller and more athletic.

Peak Jameer is about the best he will get to, maybe a tad better. btw, that's not a knock on Burke, peak Jameer was pretty decent.

Hans Embiid · Post #1136 » by **Hans Embiid** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:16 pm

tranjSAIC wrote:
THE GOAT ROSE wrote:I think Trey Burke will make a case as the best player of this draft in about 2 years.

See him becoming an Allstar.

If that happens, then you can write up any sig for me and I will rock it for a lifetime. No way in hell will he be the best player from this draft. Maybe if he was taller and more athletic.

Peak Jameer is about the best he will get to, maybe a tad better. btw, that's not a knock on Burke, peak Jameer was pretty decent.

I see him becoming more of a Chauncey Billups caliber.

tranjSAIC · Post #1137 » by **tranjSAIC** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:21 pm

THE GOAT ROSE wrote:
tranjSAIC wrote:
THE GOAT ROSE wrote:I think Trey Burke will make a case as the best player of this draft in about 2 years.

See him becoming an Allstar.

If that happens, then you can write up any sig for me and I will rock it for a lifetime. No way in hell will he be the best player from this draft. Maybe if he was taller and more athletic.

Peak Jameer is about the best he will get to, maybe a tad better. btw, that's not a knock on Burke, peak Jameer was pretty decent.

I see him becoming more of a Chauncey Billups caliber.

He MIGHT be able to get to the caliber of Billups on the offensive end, but then you factor in Billups defense and his ability to bully smaller guards, then Burke will have to do MUCH MUCH more than Billups on the offensive end to be on the same overall level as Billups.

If that makes sense...

Brapman · Post #1138 » by **Brapman** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:33 pm

I'm soooooo glad that Burke is in Utah and not Detroit. Please let us all know when y'all locate a single player in the league that Trey can guard. Also, perhaps we can all be alerted when he figures out how to get his shot off in the paint.

He's a nice backup - and he does have great heart and can shoot the ball from the perimeter, and he can run a team.

But he's a shortish, unathletic guy in a league with fantastic talent at PG.

InFlames · Post #1139 » by **InFlames** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:46 pm

Burke and Billups aren't even close to the same type of PG so I don't understand that comparison. I think Burke can be a less explosive better passing Jameer Nelson which is pretty good.

dautjazz · Post #1140 » by **dautjazz** » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:12 pm

tranjSAIC wrote:
THE GOAT ROSE wrote:I think Trey Burke will make a case as the best player of this draft in about 2 years.

See him becoming an Allstar.

If that happens, then you can write up any sig for me and I will rock it for a lifetime. No way in hell will he be the best player from this draft. Maybe if he was taller and more athletic.

Peak Jameer is about the best he will get to, maybe a tad better. btw, that's not a knock on Burke, peak Jameer was pretty decent.

Well, when we went for the bigger PG last time, Deron, we passed on Paul because he was too small, well looks like size is not THAT critical. Stockton was also relatively small at 6'1" (inch taller). Stockton is one of the best defensive PGs in history, and he was just 6'1", so just because you're short doesn't mean you can't hang in this league. Burke is already very good, so I'm not concerned.