MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened

[Jurassic_Park]

Current Vegas odds for MVP
Giannis -1000
Lebron +900
Doncic +1600

[clyde21]

I know it's very hard for you to understand, but a roster don't stop at 2 players

And It did not matter since in 2018 and 2019,the Warriors did not have the best record in the NBA or even win 60 games.Curry had missed a lot of game in 2018 too,so he had zero argument for the MVP.

who said I'm talking about Curry in 18? I was talking about KD

you LeBron stans automatically DQ'd both of them because, and I quote, 'YoU CaN'T WiN MvP iF u pLay WiTh AnotHEr Top5 PLaYeR!"

James Harden deserved his MVP in 2018....A roster don't stop at 2 players and the Warriors have mutiples playoffs series without Curry or Durant between 2015 to 2019.....Don't compare his warriors team to the current Lakers team.

that's not the point, the point are the mental gymnastics you LeBron groupies always try to pull to BS whatever narrative of the day you wanna push.

[Ainosterhaspie]

i said the last 3 years, not in 2017. I get 2017, don't really get 18 and 19 if we're applying the same logic here.

if Steph/Durant couldn't win MVP according to LeBron stans because they played together, wtf should LeBron win MVP playing with Davis?

I know it's very hard for you to understand, but a roster don't stop at 2 players

And It did not matter since in 2018 and 2019,the Warriors did not have the best record in the NBA or even win 60 games.Curry had missed a lot of game in 2018 too,so he had zero argument for the MVP.

who said I'm talking about Curry in 18? I was talking about KD

you LeBron stans automatically DQ'd both of them because, and I quote, 'YoU CaN'T WiN MvP iF u pLay WiTh AnotHEr Top5 PLaYeR!"

What is the argument for Durant for MVP in 2018? Best player, best team? Nope Warriors were 7 games back and finished 3rd overall. Stats? Nope. MVP who happened to also have BPBT going for him led comfortably in PPG. He only played 68 games which is on the low side. The Warriors did better with Durant out than with Curry out which hirts the MVP case too.

It's not about two stars on the same team, it's about him not playing like an MVP that season. You seem to be straw manning here.

[Homer38]

This is a major problem if you are unable to see the difference of a complete roster between this current Lakers team and the Warriors ... I mean before KD joined the warriors they had won 140 games and make the finals in 2 years! ... No way Durant was going to win the MVP in 2017 ... But the LeBron haters are unable to see the difference.

BTW, I'll say another time, since I wouldn't be surprised if you forget, but Giannis is my pick for the MVP for this year and it will be well deserved for him.Most of the LeBron fan admit that but their hater will say what they want to hear even if LeBron fans never said that, so it's nothing new!

[clyde21]

I know it's very hard for you to understand, but a roster don't stop at 2 players

And It did not matter since in 2018 and 2019,the Warriors did not have the best record in the NBA or even win 60 games.Curry had missed a lot of game in 2018 too,so he had zero argument for the MVP.

who said I'm talking about Curry in 18? I was talking about KD

you LeBron stans automatically DQ'd both of them because, and I quote, 'YoU CaN'T WiN MvP iF u pLay WiTh AnotHEr Top5 PLaYeR!"

What is the argument for Durant for MVP in 2018? Best player, best team? Nope Warriors were 7 games back and finished 3rd overall. Stats? Nope. MVP who happened to also have BPBT going for him led comfortably in PPG. He only played 68 games which is on the low side. The Warriors did better with Durant out than with Curry out which hirts the MVP case too.

It's not about two stars on the same team, it's about him not playing like an MVP that season. You seem to be straw manning here.

i don't care enough to argue for Durant MVP in 2018, that's not the point. the point is that LeBron stans had already concluded Steph/KD can't win an MVP because they played together, and pulled that BS for 3 straight years, yet here are now LeBron playing with another top5 player and here are his stans like clockwork switching the narrative...again.

[Ainosterhaspie]

who said I'm talking about Curry in 18? I was talking about KD

you LeBron stans automatically DQ'd both of them because, and I quote, 'YoU CaN'T WiN MvP iF u pLay WiTh AnotHEr Top5 PLaYeR!"

James Harden deserved his MVP in 2018....A roster don't stop at 2 players and the Warriors have mutiples playoffs series without Curry or Durant between 2015 to 2019.....Don't compare his warriors team to the current Lakers team.

that's not the point, the point are the mental gymnastics you LeBron groupies always try to pull to BS whatever narrative of the day you wanna push.

Durant was fifth that season and finished below Curry who played like 10 fewer games. Arguments against Durant had nothing to do with LeBron stans' mental gymnastics or whatever petulant inanity you want to vomit out into the world.

Do everyone a favor, yourself most of all, and step away from they keyboard because you're working hard to cement a reputation as one of the most irrational posters on the forum, largely incapable of putting together a coherent position or any kind or reasoned argument leaning instead heavily on shallow, poorly thought out one liners and petty snipes which out you an insecure, obnoxious, bitter person who speaks incessantly while saying nothing.

S1, personal attack. Completely unacceptable way to talk to someone on this board. Argue about Lebron all you guys want but do not attack the individual poster, regardless of your feelings towards them or their posts.

[clyde21]

James Harden deserved his MVP in 2018....A roster don't stop at 2 players and the Warriors have mutiples playoffs series without Curry or Durant between 2015 to 2019.....Don't compare his warriors team to the current Lakers team.

that's not the point, the point are the mental gymnastics you LeBron groupies always try to pull to BS whatever narrative of the day you wanna push.

Durant was fifth that season and finished below Curry who played like 10 fewer games. Arguments against Durant had nothing to do with LeBron stans' mental gymnastics or whatever petulant inanity you want to vomit out into the world.

Do everyone a favor, yourself most of all, and step away from they keyboard because you're working hard to cement a reputation as one of the most irrational posters on the forum, largely incapable of putting together a coherent position or any kind or reasoned argument leaning instead heavily on shallow, poorly thought out one liners and petty snipes which out you an insecure, obnoxious, bitter person who speaks incessantly while saying nothing.

idgaf about my forum reputation kid, you LeBron stans should do this entire board a favor and get the **** out of this thread and go back to your LeBron thread on the comparisons board, he's not getting MVP this year, no matter how hard you try. not gonna happen, and we all know the pathetic mental gymnastics you are guys pulling to try to make it happen.

[Homer38]

that's not the point, the point are the mental gymnastics you LeBron groupies always try to pull to BS whatever narrative of the day you wanna push.

Durant was fifth that season and finished below Curry who played like 10 fewer games. Arguments against Durant had nothing to do with LeBron stans' mental gymnastics or whatever petulant inanity you want to vomit out into the world.

Do everyone a favor, yourself most of all, and step away from they keyboard because you're working hard to cement a reputation as one of the most irrational posters on the forum, largely incapable of putting together a coherent position or any kind or reasoned argument leaning instead heavily on shallow, poorly thought out one liners and petty snipes which out you an insecure, obnoxious, bitter person who speaks incessantly while saying nothing.

idgaf about my forum reputation kid, you LeBron stans should do this entire board a favor and get the **** out of this thread and go back to your LeBron thread on the comparisons board, he's not getting MVP this year, no matter how hard you try. not gonna happen, and we all know the pathetic mental gymnastics you are guys pulling to try and make it happen.

It was predictable that you were going to say a thing like that (as I said at the end at my post 1124 in this page) and pathetic at the same time.

[RB34]

If Steph and KD cancelled each other out of the MVP race why isn’t the same said for Davis and James?

Davis is putting up 26/10 on 50% shooting.

[clyde21]

Durant was fifth that season and finished below Curry who played like 10 fewer games. Arguments against Durant had nothing to do with LeBron stans' mental gymnastics or whatever petulant inanity you want to vomit out into the world.

Do everyone a favor, yourself most of all, and step away from they keyboard because you're working hard to cement a reputation as one of the most irrational posters on the forum, largely incapable of putting together a coherent position or any kind or reasoned argument leaning instead heavily on shallow, poorly thought out one liners and petty snipes which out you an insecure, obnoxious, bitter person who speaks incessantly while saying nothing.

idgaf about my forum reputation kid, you LeBron stans should do this entire board a favor and get the **** out of this thread and go back to your LeBron thread on the comparisons board, he's not getting MVP this year, no matter how hard you try. not gonna happen, and we all know the pathetic mental gymnastics you are guys pulling to try and make it happen.

It was predictable that you were going to say a thing like that (as I said at the end at my post 1124 in this page) and pathetic at the same time.

it's okay to admit your hypocrisy and move on, it's fine, we all have an inherent bias, but to pretend that you LeBron stans haven't been BSing every year to try and get your boy the MVP is pretty comical.

if Steph/Durant were automatically DQ'd from the MVP conversation -- that was literally your guys' point the last 3 years...why aren't Davis/LeBron?

lemme guess...because they played with 5ppg Iggy and 9ppg Draymond?

[Homer38]

If Steph and KD cancelled each other out of the MVP race why isn’t the same said for Davis and James?

Davis is putting up 26/10 on 50% shooting.

Again,look at the complete roster in each of his teams.

[clyde21]

If Steph and KD cancelled each other out of the MVP race why isn’t the same said for Davis and James?

Davis is putting up 26/10 on 50% shooting.

Again,look at the complete roster in each of his teams.

so you guys get to come up with the exact threshold of when a player should qualify for MVP and when they shouldn't? what about when LeBron won MVPs with Wade and Bosh, did you have a problem with it then?

[Homer38]

idgaf about my forum reputation kid, you LeBron stans should do this entire board a favor and get the **** out of this thread and go back to your LeBron thread on the comparisons board, he's not getting MVP this year, no matter how hard you try. not gonna happen, and we all know the pathetic mental gymnastics you are guys pulling to try and make it happen.

It was predictable that you were going to say a thing like that (as I said at the end at my post 1124 in this page) and pathetic at the same time.

it's okay to admit your hypocrisy and move on, it's fine, we all have an inherent bias, but to pretend that you LeBron stans haven't been BSing every year to try and get your boy the MVP is pretty comical.

Find me where I said LeBron was the 2020 MVP for this year over Giannis in the past month .... You are going to be unable but keep saying things that we have never said!

pretty comical

[Ainosterhaspie]

that's not the point, the point are the mental gymnastics you LeBron groupies always try to pull to BS whatever narrative of the day you wanna push.

Durant was fifth that season and finished below Curry who played like 10 fewer games. Arguments against Durant had nothing to do with LeBron stans' mental gymnastics or whatever petulant inanity you want to vomit out into the world.

Do everyone a favor, yourself most of all, and step away from they keyboard because you're working hard to cement a reputation as one of the most irrational posters on the forum, largely incapable of putting together a coherent position or any kind or reasoned argument leaning instead heavily on shallow, poorly thought out one liners and petty snipes which out you an insecure, obnoxious, bitter person who speaks incessantly while saying nothing.

idgaf about my forum reputation kid, you LeBron stans should do this entire board a favor and get the **** out of this thread and go back to your LeBron thread on the comparisons board, he's not getting MVP this year, no matter how hard you try. not gonna happen, and we all know the pathetic mental gymnastics you are guys pulling to try to make it happen.

Care to quote my mental gymnastics or you just going to keep tilting at straw men? I'm not pushing LeBron MVP and haven't claimed he should have gotten one since 2014 when he stopped going all out in the regular season. So try responding to what's actually being said instead of making stuff up because you're tired of LeBron being relevant.

And it's comical to hear you talking about mental gymnastics when you were just talking about Durant MVP 2018, got called on you foolishness then abruptly stumbled blindly off in another direction. Go back to playing with your tinker toys and let the grow ups talk.

[clyde21]

It was predictable that you were going to say a thing like that (as I said at the end at my post 1124 in this page) and pathetic at the same time.

it's okay to admit your hypocrisy and move on, it's fine, we all have an inherent bias, but to pretend that you LeBron stans haven't been BSing every year to try and get your boy the MVP is pretty comical.

Find me where I said LeBron was the 2020 MVP for this year over Giannis in the past month .... You are going to be unable but keep saying things that we have never said!

pretty comical

then what have you been doing in this thread?

[clyde21]

Durant was fifth that season and finished below Curry who played like 10 fewer games. Arguments against Durant had nothing to do with LeBron stans' mental gymnastics or whatever petulant inanity you want to vomit out into the world.

Do everyone a favor, yourself most of all, and step away from they keyboard because you're working hard to cement a reputation as one of the most irrational posters on the forum, largely incapable of putting together a coherent position or any kind or reasoned argument leaning instead heavily on shallow, poorly thought out one liners and petty snipes which out you an insecure, obnoxious, bitter person who speaks incessantly while saying nothing.

idgaf about my forum reputation kid, you LeBron stans should do this entire board a favor and get the **** out of this thread and go back to your LeBron thread on the comparisons board, he's not getting MVP this year, no matter how hard you try. not gonna happen, and we all know the pathetic mental gymnastics you are guys pulling to try to make it happen.

I'm not pushing LeBron MVP and haven't claimed he should have gotten one since 2014 when he stopped going all out in the regular season. So try responding to what's actually being said instead of making stuff up because you're tired of LeBron being relevant.

the LeBron thread is back on the comps board, that way --->

[RB34]

If Steph and KD cancelled each other out of the MVP race why isn’t the same said for Davis and James?

Davis is putting up 26/10 on 50% shooting.

Again,look at the complete roster in each of his teams.

So Klay is the difference? Because there have been multiple threads on how garbage Dray is.

[clyde21]

If Steph and KD cancelled each other out of the MVP race why isn’t the same said for Davis and James?

Davis is putting up 26/10 on 50% shooting.

Again,look at the complete roster in each of his teams.

So Klay is the difference? Because there have been multiple threads on how garbage Dray is.

a lot of threads about how Klay is overrated too.

they don't care about being consistent, they just have a narrative to push.

[Homer38]

If Steph and KD cancelled each other out of the MVP race why isn’t the same said for Davis and James?

Davis is putting up 26/10 on 50% shooting.

Again,look at the complete roster in each of his teams.

so you guys get to come up with the exact threshold of when a player should qualify for MVP and when they shouldn't? what about when LeBron won MVPs with Wade and Bosh, did you have a problem with it then?

2011 would have been a problem ... For the other years, not since Wade, even if he was still an all-star in 2012 and 2013 in regular season, he was no longer a top 5 players in the NBA with his problems with his knees .... Also the Heat had not the same depth as the Warriors (Our 4th best player in 2012 was Mario Chalmers) and the heat had some big weaknesses as in rebounds or against teams with good big man.Lack of spacing in 2012 were also a problem that many forget because of the last game in the NBA finals.

[Homer38]

If Steph and KD cancelled each other out of the MVP race why isn’t the same said for Davis and James?

Davis is putting up 26/10 on 50% shooting.

Again,look at the complete roster in each of his teams.

So Klay is the difference? Because there have been multiple threads on how garbage Dray is.

I said in a another thread that Draymond was a biggest reason why the warriors had a great defense in 2015 to 2017