Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[BadMofoPimp]

I am questioning the person who wrote the article. Did they contact Urgent Care or ask witnesses or is only going based off what they heard. You never know if the Journalist is some hard liner looking for clicks because we see soo many doing this nowadays. Hence, I take everything written unless it is from someone reputable with a grain of salt. Just because it was written, does not mean it is truth. It is possible that the Urgent Care facility didn't have the ability to treat someone with severe respiratory condition. Because, the journalist obviously didn't check and may have been making assumptions.

What we do know is that once he got to the correct facility that can attend his needs, he was immediately taken care of. I don't consider Urgent Care a place that is capable to treat this virus effectively or even if they have ventilators. Naturally, we are only hearing one side of the story since we are not there to verify what actually happened.

Like I said in second post. Many are resigned to their place in society or confused of their ability to receive healthcare. What if his parents were illegal?

True we do not know enough information. It's not a big reach to say the current system does not work for a whole lot of us.

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They didn't treat him because he didn't have insurance, not because they couldn't. Didn't you read the article? You weren't there either. Why do you think you know more than people who were actually present to witness the event?

[Dirk]

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0'40: "I might be already exposed, more likely on the plane than here (in Mexico City)". Wow, so you are likely already infected now you just walk around and treat those guys on the street like statues instead of human beings? What trash ass logic is that.

Idiotic.

It also speaks to the people who run away from areas where there is a cluster. So say in Italy, they were going to lockdown an area, people left to the South. Spain, hottest spot was Madrid, people left. NY leaving for Florida or other places. Everyone thinks they're not infected.

Hell, in Norway they forbid everyone from spending quarantine at their beach houses or something like that. A lot of people don't get it.

Mexico:
No pasa nada

Nosotros no queremos sus mascaras senor Ken

[lakerz12]

This is a total exposure.

A healthy nation does not raise kids on garbage fake foods like McDonalds. Allowing Monsanto to produce all kinds of dangerous GMO foods, is not a healthy nation. Poison fish farming and heavy meat consumption, is not a healthy nation. Garbage sugary cereals being fed to children causing early diabetes, is not a healthy nation. The FDA is a joke, hand in the pocket agency.
Big Pharma is BIG time guilty, pills for this, pills for that, just watch the commercials on CNN. You've seen it, pills that cure acne but damage your liver...why is that even legal?

Getting hit by something unprecedented like this, you start to realize just how unhealthy we are as a nation.
Hopefully after this, we'll wake the fk up and start demanding real quality, healthy affordable foods from all our food sources..
But there's little optimism in that, we're too much like sheep.

There is literally "real quality, healthy affordable food" at virtually every grocery store in the country.

People need more discipline and to make better decisions.

But America is no worse of a situation than any other country. You're taking a fine tooth comb to America but you can find equally terrible things everywhere.

Why aren't you blaming China?

This whole world is messed up.

My dude, I'm singling us out because I care about what goes on here mores. The majority of supermarkets are full of unhealthy foods, meanwhile have 1 or 2 isles of organic alternatives.
Instead of healthy alternatives, Doctors prescribe meds like they're candy, even though these same meds poison our system.

Don't take it out of context.

Sorry to single your post out but it just seems like the whole mood on this thread is unfairly anti-American. We should be talking more about China and their responsibility in this global outbreak.

Agree that prescription meds is a big problem. The opioid epidemic is real. For sure.

But going to have to strongly disagree with you on the food topic. Food doesn't have to be "organic" to be healthy. That's obviously a lengthy discussion, but there is plenty of healthy food at your standard grocery store. And it's cheaper than McDonald's.

Fruits, vegetables, beans, fresh meat, etc. are affordable and healthy. The problem is many people lack awareness and discipline. Fast food restaurants are not forcing people to eat there. You have to incorporate the individual responsibility into your argument.

[MotownMadness]

Louisiana is looking very, very scary

Just today: +441 infections and +36 deaths.

They are running at a 4.3% fatality rate and already have the 3rd most deaths of any state.

2746 total infections, 119 deaths.

Mardi Gras was really bad timing for them

[madmaxmedia]

I’m starting to realize that this Covid thing is going to be our new reality. As in it’s going to become seasonal like the flu and it’s going to stay around with us humans forever like the flu just a lot more dangerous. We can look forward to getting our Covid vaccines every year. We sort of accept the flu as something that just is, it’s kind of weird when you think of it. Now there’s this new more menacing virus that makes the flu look like the common cold by comparison. And now that it’s here it probably will become part of the human condition. Hope not but it’s not looking good.

Ideally, the new reality is also that most countries have a better plan (that they actually follow) to investigate at the first signs of an outbreak. Not because everyone needs to 'freak out', but specifically to characterize the virus and develop a informed plan to try to nip it in the bud.

Some of the countries harder hit by previous viruses did better this time, so will the USA and others. I think (or hope) there will be much better transparency and sharing of information between countries as well (at least between scientists and medical experts.) My hopes for this are a little tempered however.

[LKN]

I’m starting to realize that this Covid thing is going to be our new reality. As in it’s going to become seasonal like the flu and it’s going to stay around with us humans forever like the flu just a lot more dangerous. We can look forward to getting our Covid vaccines every year. We sort of accept the flu as something that just is, it’s kind of weird when you think of it. Now there’s this new more menacing virus that makes the flu look like the common cold by comparison. And now that it’s here it probably will become part of the human condition. Hope not but it’s not looking good.

Ideally, the new reality is also that most countries have a better plan (that they actually follow) to investigate at the first signs of an outbreak. Not because everyone needs to 'freak out', but specifically to characterize the virus and develop a informed plan to try to nip it in the bud.

Some of the countries harder hit by previous viruses did better this time, so will the USA and others. I think (or hope) there will be much better transparency and sharing of information between countries as well (at least between scientists and medical experts.) My hopes for this are a little tempered however.

We actually reacted quite well to the last few threats prior to this one (Ebola, H1N1, etc).

Of course the irony is that people say "oh it was just fear mongering" because the threats were contained.

It's like the Y2K stuff (for those of you old enough to remember) all over again. When it mostly went smoothly everyone afterwards said "oh, it was all overblown fear mongering". The truth is that it was taken seriously and a ton of work was done in the years leading up to it.

[ken6199]

So China has the total deaths number on 3292? 2531 for Wuhan? Well lets see.

Number from the top 7 biggest funeral homes from Wuhan just reported there were such a huge demand on cinerary caskets so they had to limit the number to 500 a day. That's 3500 caskets a day and if this continues to April 5th aka the annual Qing Ming Festival where people go visit their ancestral graves, they will have released 42000 caskets in total.

42000 caskets, for 2531 deaths.

Top: a truck loaded with 2500 caskets.
Bottom: 500 caskets a pile, 7 piles in the room.

Spoiler:

[LKN]

So China has the total deaths number on 3292? 2531 for Wuhan? Well lets see.

Number from the top 7 biggest funeral homes from Wuhan just reported there were such a huge demand on cinerary caskets so they had to limit the number to 500 a day. That's 3500 caskets a day and if this continues to April 5th aka the annual Qing Ming Festival where people go visit their ancestral graves, they will have released 42000 caskets in total.

42000 caskets, for 2531 deaths.

Yeah I don't believe China's numbers either.

I mean our numbers aren't accurate either (we are likely missing quite a few deaths in particular).. but I don't *think* that's an intentional cover up (just slow/poor reporting, lack of testing). China is clearly full of it to at least some degree

[madmaxmedia]

Might not be contributing to this topic but i find it incredibly fascinating the evolution of how people reacted to this virus. For example a guy at my work when this virus was starting to get traction was going around pissed of calling people idiots for freaking out about a virus being compared to the Flu. Fast forward to this week and he basically goes around talking about Covid-19 nonstop. Asking about where he can get a mask and telling people to pray. I wonder how many of those guys there are around the world. Who went around dismissing the virus only to get a big shaft in the end. I'll never understand that kind of mentality.

At least he came around, and is not sticking his head in the sand like many others. And is hopefully no longer contributing to the problem.

I spend every day just trying to catch up myself, looking at the latest numbers, trying to analyze or find good analysis of the data, etc. But I honestly don't remember the date of my own wake-up call.

[Dirk]

Italy
% Daily variation
Yello - deaths
Blue - cases

[ken6199]

Watch on YouTube

0'40: "I might be already exposed, more likely on the plane than here (in Mexico City)". Wow, so you are likely already infected now you just walk around and treat those guys on the street like statues instead of human beings? What trash ass logic is that.

Idiotic.

It also speaks to the people who run away from areas where there is a cluster. So say in Italy, they were going to lockdown an area, people left to the South. Spain, hottest spot was Madrid, people left. NY leaving for Florida or other places. Everyone thinks they're not infected.

Hell, in Norway they forbid everyone from spending quarantine at their beach houses or something like that. A lot of people don't get it.

Mexico:
No pasa nada

Nosotros no queremos sus mascaras senor Ken

I was just reading this and thinking, maybe I can sell them some masks for $50 a piece and they will stay home?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/nyregion/coronavirus-leaving-nyc-vacation-homes.html

[ken6199]

Italy
% Daily variation
Yello - deaths
Blue - cases

Been tracking similar data myself. The new cases % are indeed ramping down but still a lot up in the air before we can call it a "peak is over".

[madmaxmedia]

It's interesting and insightful how businesses that were proactive in preparation and action are not overwhelmed and can ride out the rising peaks.

Ramona said in a recent interview that the NBA brass were getting daily info from their employees in China from late January. That info was then sent on to the teams - so they were all at the ready for when they needed to be.

And here's how HEB has been able to stay organized and service increasing demand - notably, also getting info back in January and putting plans in place that they're executing now:

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Inside the Story of How H-E-B Planned for the Pandemic
The grocer started communicating with Chinese counterparts in January and was running tabletop simulations a few weeks later. (But nothing prepared it for the rush on toilet paper.)

Justen Noakes, director of emergency preparedness, H-E-B: Just a little bit of history: we have been working on our pandemic and influenza plan for quite a while now, since 2005, when we had the threat of H5N1 overseas in China. That’s when we first developed what our plan looked like, [as well as] some of our requirements and business implications. In 2009, we actually used that plan in response to H1N1, when the swine flu came to fruition in Cibolo, and refined it, made it more of an influenza plan. We’ve continued to revise it, and it’s been a part of our preparedness plan at H-E-B ever since.

As this has started to emerge, we’ve been in close contact with retailers in China, starting with what happened in Wuhan in the early couple of months, and what kind of lessons they learned. Over the last couple of months, [we’ve been] in close contact with some of our Italian retailers and suppliers, understanding how things have evolved in Italy and now in Spain, talking to those countries that are ahead of us in the curve. We’ve been in daily contact, understanding the pace and the change and the need for product, and how things have progressed in each of those countries.

We have a number of Texas companies that are pitching in and doing great work. I can give you a few examples: Labatt is a food distributor here in Texas. Their primary customers are schools, institutions, and restaurants. Obviously those businesses are under real pressure, and many of them are shutting down. So we have been partnering with Labatt to deliver rotisserie chickens, deli lunch meats, and a variety of products.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/food/heb-prepared-coronavirus-pandemic/

This is amazing. Now why didn't our government do the same?

[ItsDanger]

Here in Canada, an important factor (from the start) was protecting the health workers. The number of medical staff infected in Italy is alarming.

[madmaxmedia]

The USA should have went into isolation in February, maybe January. It's more important to test the asymptomatic than the symptomatic. The asymptomatic are spreading this virus more than the symptomatic. If we are around people and everyone is asymptomatic, what if one of them has the virus? But if someone is symptomatic is you see them cough or sneeze, than you know to distance yourself before you get too close to the person.

It's really tough to argue that our country should have locked everything up well before other Western countries based on what we knew at the time. Keep in mind that Trump did impose travel restrictions on China back in January and he was ripped for it. Also keep in mind that there was absolutely no call to lock things up. As a matter of fact there were many pieces from a wide range of news outlets (NY Times, Washington Post, Fox News, WSJ, Vox, etc) that downplayed the Coronavirus. There are news clips of Doctors telling us we need to be far more concerned about the flu. Heck, in January and February this country was consumed with impeachment.

The most important thing to do is learn from this. We have to understand that our countries are as connected as they have ever been. An outbreak in Wuhan should be treated as an outbreak in America moving forward. It is also important to put pressure on China and other places to get rid of these disgusting Wet Markets.

It's hard to say when we should have started isolating regions or the country as a whole because we lacked data at the time (and still lack data), because as a country we waited way too long to figure out how to scale up testing. I mean we certainly should have done more, issued consistent public statements, etc. but exactly how much more is hard to pinpoint.

One thing is for sure, assessing the state of COVID-19 in our country solely based on confirmed cases was essentially doing it from Plato's cave. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave

But that uncertainty should have been addressed. I think the one 100% sure thing is that we should have started collecting data in this country far earlier (we still don't have enough), to get a sense of rate and spread of infection back in January and February, testing not only symptomatic but asymptomatic people. That would allow us to develop the most informed course of action.

[zimpy27]

So China has the total deaths number on 3292? 2531 for Wuhan? Well lets see.

Number from the top 7 biggest funeral homes from Wuhan just reported there were such a huge demand on cinerary caskets so they had to limit the number to 500 a day. That's 3500 caskets a day and if this continues to April 5th aka the annual Qing Ming Festival where people go visit their ancestral graves, they will have released 42000 caskets in total.

42000 caskets, for 2531 deaths.

Top: a truck loaded with 2500 caskets.
Bottom: 500 caskets a pile, 7 piles in the room.

Spoiler:

Is that 42000 on top of what they usually make or 42000 inclusive of what they usually make?

[LKN]

It's probably for the best that cruise companies are getting no bailout money. This crisis may kill that industry regardless.... this sounds absolutely terrifying.

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[MotownMadness]

Boris Johnson has it

[Ainosterhaspie]

Really bad timing for Miller Lite's "Original Social Media" adds.

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[nymets1]

So Christian Wood was the 1st NBA player cleared from the virus on Wednesday. Now today Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell were cleared from the virus. So that must mean that Christian Wood was the 1st NBA player that actually caught the virus. Wood and Gobert guarded each other, so Gobert caught the virus from Wood and than Donovan Mitchell caught the virus from teammate Rudy Gobert.